OT: A Tater Challenger Appears

Boom Boom

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I'm just not sure what that change would be. We have a lot of republican politicians in Mississippi that are basically big government democrats that are only "republican" to separate themselves from the insanity of the national democrat party. And we have a lot of voters that are the same way. I see them taking control (or at least having a lot more influence) over the republican party in the state being more likely than the democrat party becoming non-toxic enough for a democrat to win a state wide election in the next couple of cycles. I'd say right now our leadership is much further right than the actual voting populace, so that could happen pretty quickly.
Um, the national Republican brand being diminished to where Mississippians (and largely the same ones) will actually vote for a conservative Democrat again. It's really less of a new change and more of a regression to the mean.

And of course, I am referring to the ones reasonable enough to not outright dismiss the national "Democrat" party as insane. Of course, maybe too many of them have been radicalized like you for that to be possible. Turn off the Fox News old man, it's rotting your brain.
 

Boom Boom

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The words "Mississippi" and "change" do not belong in the same sentence.
Haha, true, but this would really be a change at the national level that has an effect here at the state/local level.

For example, I forsee Fox News being forced to break from the crazy and staking out a less crazy territory, with OAN and such continuing to embrace the full crazy. In such a path, conservaDems like Pressley will be given ample love from Fox. But in that path I'd see Tater doing the same, and likely winning.

But this is probably just an unreasonable hope for some sanity to break out in the GOP. More likely it'll just be more crazy.
 

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Haha, true, but this would really be a change at the national level that has an effect here at the state/local level.

For example, I forsee Fox News being forced to break from the crazy and staking out a less crazy territory, with OAN and such continuing to embrace the full crazy. In such a path, conservaDems like Pressley will be given ample love from Fox. But in that path I'd see Tater doing the same, and likely winning.

But this is probably just an unreasonable hope for some sanity to break out in the GOP. More likely it'll just be more crazy.
So they’ll be just as crazy as the Democrats? Got it!
 

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Presley has been in elected government employment his whole life. I don't think he has ever been in the private sector. He is also an old line populist Democrat with a Capitol D.
 
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I don't know who he is. I would imagine majority in the 3rd and 4th Congressional districts do not either. It will be hard for him to win. Jim Hood was the Democrats best shot. If he could not do it four years ago a Democrat will not happen today.
 
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If Jim Hood couldn't beat Tate Reeves, and Mike Espy couldn't beat Cindy Hyde Smith, no Democrat ever has any chance of winning a statewide election in Mississippi.
Ever is a long-*** time, but you're right for the time being.
 

Hugh's Burner Phone

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Yes it absolutely is. And their tops are often forgotten, but are actually a really nice cooked green.

But they ain't taters.
Can't do this with a 17ing radish.


 

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If Jim Hood couldn't beat Tate Reeves, and Mike Espy couldn't beat Cindy Hyde Smith, no Democrat ever has any chance of winning a statewide election in Mississippi.
Both of these statements are absolute truth, at least not anytime soon. I just wish the Republicans we have in our statewide offices weren't so tightly tied to the lobbying firm of Haley Barbour...
 

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I know Presley, he’s a good guy. He’s done a lot for the people of North Ms. If he had an R in parentheses behind his name I’d vote for him but I just don’t know if I can support the (D) and all that come with it.
So what I do, forget the letter and listen to what they say and better yet research for what they got done in their current positions.
Weigh the options and vote for the person, because in reality republicans control the entire legislative process in Mississippi for Main Street to the Capitol. Governors (R) (D) doesn't really matter in Mississippi.
 

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Governor Of Mississippi has very little power. Legislature runs the state.
Disagree, the legislature only takes up bills that the Republican Governor and Attorney General have agreed to. Seriously, this is coming directly from multiple legislators I know. The Governor and AG sit in a room and decide 100% what moves forward, how it moves forward, and when it comes up to a vote, for the entire state on all major legislation.
 
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Both of these statements are absolute truth, at least not anytime soon. I just wish the Republicans we have in our statewide offices weren't so tightly tied to the lobbying firm of Haley Barbour...
The sooner Haley Barbour is too old (or senile) to meddle in Mississippi state politics, the better. That man is a scourge on this state. Gonna keep my mouth shut on specifics, to keep from getting sued. But, that guy and his political posse need to go. He and his posse still very much control pretty much everything that goes on in Mississippi. He put Tater where he is. He put Lynn Fitch where she is. Haley is very much the puppet-master

I'm an R, btw
 

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This thread is so Sixpack...

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*The same jackasses entering with their opinions that aren't changing anybody's mind, but will get the 17n thread locked
 
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Disagree, the legislature only takes up bills that the Republican Governor and Attorney General have agreed to. Seriously, this is coming directly from multiple legislators I know. The Governor and AG sit in a room and decide 100% what moves forward, how it moves forward, and when it comes up to a vote, for the entire state on all major legislation.
This is laughable. Laughable.
 
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The sooner Haley Barbour is too old (or senile) to meddle in Mississippi state politics, the better. That man is a scourge on this state. Gonna keep my mouth shut on specifics, to keep from getting sued. But, that guy and his political posse need to go. He and his posse still very much control pretty much everything that goes on in Mississippi. He put Tater where he is. He put Lynn Fitch where she is. Haley is very much the puppet-master

I'm an R, btw
And don't forget Dilbert.
And BTW, so am I. (R)
 

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Um, the national Republican brand being diminished to where Mississippians (and largely the same ones) will actually vote for a conservative Democrat again. It's really less of a new change and more of a regression to the mean.

And of course, I am referring to the ones reasonable enough to not outright dismiss the national "Democrat" party as insane. Of course, maybe too many of them have been radicalized like you for that to be possible. Turn off the Fox News old man, it's rotting your brain.
The republican brand isn't diminished compared to the democrat brand. Certainly I think people in Mississippi are frustrated with republicans, but for whatever nuts are out there on the right, republicans aren't actually pushing any of the nuts ideas the way the democrats are. No examples of republican DAs just deciding they have wholesale discretion over what laws should be enforced, no widespread riots, no open advocacy for racial discrimination, no rules or legislation to eliminate single sex bathrooms or single sex sports. IF you look compared to 20 years ago, Republicans have moved left on basically every social issue, moderated on the war on drugs, kept the same position on taxes, stopped believing deficits mattered, given up reforming entitlements, have firmed up their support of the 2nd amendment, have become the pro speech party (not really by getting better on speech, but just not getting worse), have mostly stayed the same on criminal justice, have stayed the same on environmental concerns, become at least split on foreign interventionism, stayed mostly the same on immigration (which is vocally against it, but mostly don't actually try to stop it), have moved in a more protectionist direction (although this is sort of like foreign entanglements; the more protectionist crowd just has more clout now whereas the free market crowd did have more or less complete control despite not really having a strong majority within the party). Which of those positions do you think have diminished the republican party in the eyes of Mississippi voters in a way that would keep pace with what Democrats have done?
 

johnson86-1

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Governor Of Mississippi has very little power. Legislature runs the state.
Not really. That was true prior to Barbour. Barbour exercised power because of his fundraising clout. Tater isn't as strong as Barbour on that front, but he does have a good war chest to leverage, and more importantly, a lot of grant money flows through the governor's office. That gives a lot of power directly and also gives him leverage to persuade legislators also.
 

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Tate will face a bigger challenge from Waller in the Republican primary than any Dem in the general.

Note: If Waller runs.
 

vhdawg

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Brandon Presley has thrown his hat in the ring…

And thus we have the last plausibly competitive democratic candidate for governor ever. The cupboard will be officially bare following this election.
 

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The republican brand isn't diminished compared to the democrat brand. Certainly I think people in Mississippi are frustrated with republicans, but for whatever nuts are out there on the right, republicans aren't actually pushing any of the nuts ideas the way the democrats are. No examples of republican DAs just deciding they have wholesale discretion over what laws should be enforced, no widespread riots, no open advocacy for racial discrimination, no rules or legislation to eliminate single sex bathrooms or single sex sports. IF you look compared to 20 years ago, Republicans have moved left on basically every social issue, moderated on the war on drugs, kept the same position on taxes, stopped believing deficits mattered, given up reforming entitlements, have firmed up their support of the 2nd amendment, have become the pro speech party (not really by getting better on speech, but just not getting worse), have mostly stayed the same on criminal justice, have stayed the same on environmental concerns, become at least split on foreign interventionism, stayed mostly the same on immigration (which is vocally against it, but mostly don't actually try to stop it), have moved in a more protectionist direction (although this is sort of like foreign entanglements; the more protectionist crowd just has more clout now whereas the free market crowd did have more or less complete control despite not really having a strong majority within the party). Which of those positions do you think have diminished the republican party in the eyes of Mississippi voters in a way that would keep pace with what Democrats have done?
Reading comprehension fail. I said that that's what may happen over the next two years, not what has already happened. If you haven't noticed, Kevin McCarthy gave those nuts full power so that he could be Speaker. It will be 2 years of full on crazy. Buckle up.

Your next bits are full on brain rot courtesy of too much Fox News. Plenty of R DAs decide what they are going to prosecute, Jan 6th was real and hardly the first or last R riot, very few Dems actually support super "woke" crap unlike your assertions straight from Tucker Carlson. Republicans have moved massively to the right, not the left. Rs never believed in deficits, which was obvious from their budgeting actions when they were in power. Same with entitlements. And immigration. At least you've caught on with that last one.

We have a current example too: non-compete clauses.

Republicans have always, ALWAYS, been about class. Protecting and enriching the elite class and keeping down the rest. With a whole nut job bag of rationalizations to support those ends. That's why they hate welfare, it's why they want to cut taxes, it's why they want to suppress wages and labor.
 

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A Democrat won't hold State office in our lifetimes. And unless they go against aligning themselves with National Democrats it will be several lifetimes. No one e coming out saying they support Biden, Bennie, Bernie and AOC will make it through the gauntlet of attack ads
Pressley will not be endorsing them. He will be attacking them. Try again.
 

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Reading comprehension fail. I said that that's what may happen over the next two years, not what has already happened. If you haven't noticed, Kevin McCarthy gave those nuts full power so that he could be Speaker. It will be 2 years of full on crazy. Buckle up.

Your next bits are full on brain rot courtesy of too much Fox News. Plenty of R DAs decide what they are going to prosecute, Jan 6th was real and hardly the first or last R riot, very few Dems actually support super "woke" crap unlike your assertions straight from Tucker Carlson. Republicans have moved massively to the right, not the left. Rs never believed in deficits, which was obvious from their budgeting actions when they were in power. Same with entitlements. And immigration. At least you've caught on with that last one.

We have a current example too: non-compete clauses.

Republicans have always, ALWAYS, been about class. Protecting and enriching the elite class and keeping down the rest. With a whole nut job bag of rationalizations to support those ends. That's why they hate welfare, it's why they want to cut taxes, it's why they want to suppress wages and labor.

The "nuts" pushed for things like a vote on a balanced budget amendment and a texas border plan and some committee spots and to cut down on the logrolling. That's not exactly going to cost them a lot of Mississippi support. There were some concessions that were not just symbolic, but since there's not going to be much done regardless the next two years regardless, they won't matter unless and until they hold on to those concessions whenever the GOP captures the senate.

The only leverage the republicans have for the next two years is to just withhold spending and refusing to raise the debt ceiling. We're going to have showdowns on both regardless. If republicans "shut down" the federal government because they want to spend the same next year as this year, I don't think that will really hurt them in Mississippi. They'll give in because of political costs elsewhere long before they have significant pain here. The debt ceiling is a little harder to predict.
 
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This thread is so Sixpack...

*Good natured politics talk
*A pleasant U turn into food porn talk engineered by Joe Lee Poo Pop
*The same jackasses entering with their opinions that aren't changing anybody's mind, but will get the 17n thread locked

Thats It Joe Biden GIF by The Democrats

The "nuts" pushed for things like a vote on a balanced budget amendment and a texas border plan and some committee spots and to cut down on the logrolling. That's not exactly going to cost them a lot of Mississippi support. There were some concessions that were not just symbolic, but since there's not going to be much done regardless the next two years regardless, they won't matter unless and until they hold on to those concessions whenever the GOP captures the senate.

The only leverage the republicans have for the next two years is to just withhold spending and refusing to raise the debt ceiling. We're going to have showdowns on both regardless. If republicans "shut down" the federal government because they want to spend the same next year as this year, I don't think that will really hurt them in Mississippi. They'll give in because of political costs elsewhere long before they have significant pain here. The debt ceiling is a little harder to predict.
A balanced budget amendment that abolished the income tax and the IRS. Full on nutball territory. And also to backdoor pardon all those involved with Jan 6 and any other Trump Era crimes, including Gaetz and his sex crimes, by gutting the ethics enforcement of the House. Again, nutball territory.

If they default on the debt there will be hell to pay, especially as there will be reasonable compromises available on spending, they'll just do it because they didn't get their way. The non-radicalized Republicans will bolt.
 

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I can remember when there were a lot of conservative Dems all over (especially the South) prior to the ‘80’s. But I have not seen one at any level in years. (I don’t live on MS). So my question is, do they exist anymore, and if so, are they willing to vote against party lines to demonstrate their conservatism?
 
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I can remember when there were a lot of conservative Dems all over (especially the South) prior to the ‘80’s. But I have not seen one at any level in years. (I don’t live on MS). So my question is, do they exist anymore, and if so, are they willing to vote against party lines to demonstrate their conservatism?
Well, nearly every conservative Republican I know CLAIMS they don't vote based on Party.....
 
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I can remember when there were a lot of conservative Dems all over (especially the South) prior to the ‘80’s. But I have not seen one at any level in years. (I don’t live on MS). So my question is, do they exist anymore, and if so, are they willing to vote against party lines to demonstrate their conservatism?
Short answer. No
 

GloryDawg

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What has he done that was bad since he’s been in office.

be specific
As soon as he took office, he faced record flooding. Soon later face the biggest tornado outbreak in State history. The he faces Covid 19. No governor other than the Governor during the Civil War faced more adversity as him and he did a good job. Plus, he was the Governor who signed the law changing the State flag and trust me there were a lot of Tate supporter who was pissed about it but he did it any ways.
 

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Disagree, the legislature only takes up bills that the Republican Governor and Attorney General have agreed to. Seriously, this is coming directly from multiple legislators I know. The Governor and AG sit in a room and decide 100% what moves forward, how it moves forward, and when it comes up to a vote, for the entire state on all major legislation.
Please tell me this is a troll job post.
 

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You’d do well up here.

My kids make potato play dough at school, we just watched the potato drop for new years, the potato bowl was right before that, my Uber driver from the airport a few weeks before Christmas apparently used to work for the potato commission driving a big *** potato behind a semi around the country, and we have a potato hotel…. But in one of the great missed opportunities of irony, Mississippi has a governor named Tater and our guy’s name is Brad.
Your username both disgusts and intrigues me.
 

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What has he done that was bad since he’s been in office.

be specific
I can’t name a single bad thing that he’s done. I also can’t name a single good thing that he’s done. All I know is that when I hear him talk I feel like he’s trying to sell me a used Plymouth that granny only drove to church on Sunday. Let’s just say he doesn’t exude confidence for me.
 
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