OT: Alabama commit's statement on being committed will either make you laugh or cry...or both

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This is one reason (one of many) why I could not coach college football. I just could not bring myself to kiss some kid's butt like this.
You sound like the old guy at my work that left his pension and job because he refused to work under some college grad. Btw, the grad was more qualified.
 

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Further proof the teen age brain is still in development, but I don't think it will develop at Alabama. There may be some hope for him if he makes it to twenty-five.
 

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I don't understand "committing." If you aren't sure where you want to go, then don't commit. Crazy.
The Greenville High football coach who is africian American by the way, said to Mazeo Bennett not commit unless he was 100% sure as it looks bad on him, his family, and the Greenville High School Athletic Dept.....I say GREAT for the GHS head coach!!!

This was on Phil Kornblut's site today from the Greenville High School coach talking about Mazeo,
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Bennett surprised a lot of folks by committing to Tennessee last October. He decommitted in December. Porter wants to be sure they don’t go through that scenario again, but he doesn’t expect Bennett to drag out the process much longer.

“I don’t think that’s his personality,” Porter said. “I think they are just waiting for the right time and how they want to do it. He went kind of fast with the Tennessee deal and then you decommit, and I’m encouraging him let’s not do that no more. About this commitment, really think about it because there’s no turning back. I don’t want there to be a reflection on his character, his family or our school, but it’s not about us, it’s about him, and I don’t want nothing bad coming towards him. I think that’s all they are doing right now.”
 
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The Greenville High football coach who is africian American by the way, said to Mazeo Bennett not commit unless he was 100% sure as it looks bad on him, his family, and the Greenville High School Athletic Dept.....I say GREAT for the GHS head coach!!!

This was on Phil Kornblut's site today from the Greenville High School coach talking about Mazeo,
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Bennett surprised a lot of folks by committing to Tennessee last October. He decommitted in December. Porter wants to be sure they don’t go through that scenario again, but he doesn’t expect Bennett to drag out the process much longer.

“I don’t think that’s his personality,” Porter said. “I think they are just waiting for the right time and how they want to do it. He went kind of fast with the Tennessee deal and then you decommit, and I’m encouraging him let’s not do that no more. About this commitment, really think about it because there’s no turning back. I don’t want there to be a reflection on his character, his family or our school, but it’s not about us, it’s about him, and I don’t want nothing bad coming towards him. I think that’s all they are doing right now.”
Can't understand how the race of the coach had anything at all with what you said...
 
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Can't understand how the race of the coach had anything at all with what you said...
It's the first time I've ever heard a black coach speak about the consequences of committing and decommitting...and how it is perceived. Again, he is the first i've heard and I commending him for it....find another one who has said it and I will commend them too...I've heard a WHOLE LOT of white coaches talk about it....
 
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It's the first time I've ever heard a black coach speak about the consequences of committing and decommitting...and how it is perceived. Again, he is the first i've heard and I commending him for it....find another one who has said it and I will commend them too...I've heard a WHOLE LOT of white coaches talk about it....
Seems to me that race has nothing to do with it at all, but that's what you see. Chalk one for the block book.
 

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Somehow this post reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry had a reservation for a rental car, but they had no car. The definition of reservation and commitment seem to go hand-in-hand using that analogy
 
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You sound like the old guy at my work that left his pension and job because he refused to work under some college grad. Btw, the grad was more qualified.
I am in the Camp of 18 ... it is not that plain and simple, IMHO, to use this analogy. To me, the real issue is the erosion of values, the degradation of commitment, and a fundamental lack of understanding of both. It is not anything to do with working under some college graduate (or certified genius), it is desiring that everyone be on the same page, heading in the same direction, for the good of the team and not the individual ... I had a child who played collegiately and my child did not commit until it was 100% decided on where to go ... I asked my child, "where would you want to go if you were injured and unable to play any longer" ... I believe this allows for proper perspective and decision-making ... humble opinion (and conviction) shared ...
 
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I am in the Camp of 18 ... it is not that plain and simple, IMHO, to use this analogy. To me, the real issue is the erosion of values, the degradation of commitment, and a fundamental lack of understanding of both. It is not anything to do with working under some college graduate (or certified genius), it is desiring that everyone be on the same page, heading in the same direction, for the good of the team and not the individual ... I had a child who played collegiately and my child did not commit until it was 100% decided on where to go ... I asked my child, "where would you want to go if you were injured and unable to play any longer" ... I believe this allows for proper perspective and decision-making ... humble opinion (and conviction) shared ...
You want them to be committed to the school but the school is not committed to them. It’s not as even as you make it seem. I think it’s crazy to look at a football commitment like it’s a blood oath or something. The college can pull their scholarship at anytime year to year. The coach can tell them to hit the portal and the coach can leave.

If a kid commits in February and in June before signing day his position coach changes he should have to stay committed? If so that seem like fans just being selfish .
 

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You want them to be committed to the school but the school is not committed to them. It’s not as even as you make it seem. I think it’s crazy to look at a football commitment like it’s a blood oath or something. The college can pull their scholarship at anytime year to year. The coach can tell them to hit the portal and the coach can leave.

If a kid commits in February and in June before signing day his position coach changes he should have to stay committed? If so that seem like fans just being selfish .
You're not even addressing the point that's being discussed in the thread, so I'm not sure why you're here.
 
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You want them to be committed to the school but the school is not committed to them. It’s not as even as you make it seem. I think it’s crazy to look at a football commitment like it’s a blood oath or something. The college can pull their scholarship at anytime year to year. The coach can tell them to hit the portal and the coach can leave.

If a kid commits in February and in June before signing day his position coach changes he should have to stay committed? If so that seem like fans just being selfish .
Thank you for replying and I will try to be respectful in my response. First, the "not committed" works both ways and we see that all the time ... the transfer portal was, in part, created for the coach bolting but we now see issues with the "free agent" portal as that is what this has become. Yes, schools can "not offer" the scholarship again the next year ... that has been in place for many years and is not anything new ... the NLOI signed by the student athlete notes this and student athletes go into this knowing that. Anecdotally, this is not the norm and in terms of data, I suspect very low in the minority "overall". I work in higher education, I have signed thousands of NLOI's over the years, and have an experienced perspective on this so this is not me shooting from the hip. The coach can also tell the student athletes to hit the portal as the coach comes in (see Deion Sanders) ... how many coaches have come in and "honored" the scholarship from the previous administration?!? Again, from experience, I tell you the great majority. In viewing the NLOI, the student signs to play for the school, not any coach (position or not). This is an unfortunate part of life and not just in athletics. Many of us have taken a position only to have the individual that hired us, for whatever reason, no longer be in that position or at the place of employment. Staying on point, IMHO, there is a chain of command and those in authority ... many of us prefer that be the infrastructure in which we operate. Again, some of what you share happens, but again, the incredibly low minority. You need structure, accountability, and discipline in place and to the original response from 18, he simply said he would rather not deal with it and all I stated was that I agree with him. Humble thoughts and conviction.
 

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You want them to be committed to the school but the school is not committed to them. It’s not as even as you make it seem. I think it’s crazy to look at a football commitment like it’s a blood oath or something. The college can pull their scholarship at anytime year to year. The coach can tell them to hit the portal and the coach can leave.

If a kid commits in February and in June before signing day his position coach changes he should have to stay committed? If so that seem like fans just being selfish .
Yes.

Do you understand what the definition of "commitment" is?

You are part of the problem. You support and encourage this wishy washy behavior and you do it on purpose. A simple analogy would be if the kid went into a dive bar and told the waiter he definitely wanted a burger......and then when the burger shows up the kid complains because it's not fish, which is what the kid really wanted, and somehow the waiter is supposed to magically know that ~ and to top it off, you side with the kid. It's absurd.
 
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Yes.

Do you understand what the definition of "commitment" is?

You are part of the problem. You support and encourage this wishy washy behavior and you do it on purpose. A simple analogy would be if the kid went into a dive bar and told the waiter he definitely wanted a burger......and then when the burger shows up the kid complains because it's not fish, which is what the kid really wanted, and somehow the waiter is supposed to magically know that ~ and to top it off, you side with the kid. It's absurd.
Negative in my example it would be the equivalent of him asking for a burger then the waiter coming back and saying they are out of burger.
 
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Yes.

Do you understand what the definition of "commitment" is?

You are part of the problem. You support and encourage this wishy washy behavior and you do it on purpose. A simple analogy would be if the kid went into a dive bar and told the waiter he definitely wanted a burger......and then when the burger shows up the kid complains because it's not fish, which is what the kid really wanted, and somehow the waiter is supposed to magically know that ~ and to top it off, you side with the kid. It's absurd.

I fully understand what commitment means. I just don’t agree with your definition of it in the instance of them going to play for a school. Commitment is not eternal.
 

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I fully understand what commitment means. I just don’t agree with your definition of it in the instance of them going to play for a school. Commitment is not eternal.
"your definition"

Nope. Word salad nonsense is not acceptable and neither is double standards. You're either committed or you're not. There is no in between. "in the instance of...." infers it's ok *SOMETIMES* and sometimes it's not. Complete hogwash nonsense word salad BS.

If a kid is not sure, do not make the commitment. This is not complicated. At all.
 

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I fully understand what commitment means. I just don’t agree with your definition of it in the instance of them going to play for a school. Commitment is not eternal.
Being a man of your word until signing day is far from eternal. Though to an 18 year old it might seem like a long time. No one is saying they have to announce a half-hearted "committment" either, though they might be advised to do so as a bargaining tactic.
 

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Bobby Dodd, during his coaching days at Ga Tech, would automatically renew scholarships for all four years. He felt that if it didn't work out on the gridron, the problem was he recruited the "wrong player" and he was honourable enough to honour the scholarship for all four years.
 
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"your definition"

Nope. Word salad nonsense is not acceptable and neither is double standards. You're either committed or you're not. There is no in between. "in the instance of...." infers it's ok *SOMETIMES* and sometimes it's not. Complete hogwash nonsense word salad BS.

If a kid is not sure, do not make the commitment. This is not complicated. At all.
Again commitment is not eternal things change.
 
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Being a man of your word until signing day is far from eternal. Though to an 18 year old it might seem like a long time. No one is saying they have to announce a half-hearted "committment" either, though they might be advised to do so as a bargaining tactic.
Do y’all not understand they get pressured into committing. Even lied to. This is their future. If I commit to x and then a better player commits. I might not can beat him but I can start for someone else and still make it to the NFL. I should have to sacrifice my career over the word commitment? That’s bull crap and y’all know it. They should do what is best for them, period. They go to college to further their career as well. It’s not as simple as just not committing because I’m not sure.
 
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I hope Sabin fills his spot and tells him to go fly a kite!! Nothing worse than a spoiled 18-year-old trying to tell you what he’s going to do lol Sabin is the goat
 
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Do y’all not understand they get pressured into committing. Even lied to. This is their future. If I commit to x and then a better player commits. I might not can beat him but I can start for someone else and still make it to the NFL. I should have to sacrifice my career over the word commitment? That’s bull crap and y’all know it. They should do what is best for them, period. They go to college to further their career as well. It’s not as simple as just not committing because I’m not sure.
if's, buts, and coconuts = word salad gibberish.

If you're not 100% positive, then don't "commit" - again, this is not complicated at all. If you do commit, see it all the way through. It's called character, morals, and integrity.
 

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USA contains many cultures with different perspectives.

 

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if's, buts, and coconuts = word salad gibberish.

If you're not 100% positive, then don't "commit" - again, this is not complicated at all. If you do commit, see it all the way through. It's called character, morals, and integrity.

Well, yes. You are right. We all know kids commit and then change their mind. Not shocking for a teenager to get caught up in the moment and commit. Maybe they feel 100% committed, but then someone else comes along and changes their mind.

But this kid's whole statements is contradictory. This isn't about a kid who says he's committed and then changes his mind. To outright say "I'm 60% committed" is just comical, or stupid. Maybe both.
 
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if's, buts, and coconuts = word salad gibberish.

If you're not 100% positive, then don't "commit" - again, this is not complicated at all. If you do commit, see it all the way through. It's called character, morals, and integrity.
And risk losing your spot. Bs, this is people’s careers not just someone you watch on a Saturday in the fall. The betterment of their lives relay on this decision. Y’all are ridiculous, acting like it’s a dang blood oath. It’s not that serious. If they want to change their mind at 17 and 18 so be it. I’m sure some of y’all have changed jobs in your life. You should have stayed “committed” to your employer forever instead of bettering your career. No different for them, PERIOD.
 

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And risk losing your spot. Bs, this is people’s careers not just someone you watch on a Saturday in the fall. The betterment of their lives relay on this decision. Y’all are ridiculous, acting like it’s a dang blood oath. It’s not that serious. If they want to change their mind at 17 and 18 so be it. I’m sure some of y’all have changed jobs in your life. You should have stayed “committed” to your employer forever instead of bettering your career. No different for them, PERIOD.
Once again you're not even addressing the point that's being discussed.
 

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And risk losing your spot. Bs, this is people’s careers not just someone you watch on a Saturday in the fall. The betterment of their lives relay on this decision. Y’all are ridiculous, acting like it’s a dang blood oath. It’s not that serious. If they want to change their mind at 17 and 18 so be it. I’m sure some of y’all have changed jobs in your life. You should have stayed “committed” to your employer forever instead of bettering your career. No different for them, PERIOD.
Perhaps you are from a culture that doesn’t mean yes?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolkinseygoman/2013/08/06/where-the-truth-lies-across-cultures/?sh=650d664212ac
 

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And risk losing your spot. Bs, this is people’s careers not just someone you watch on a Saturday in the fall. The betterment of their lives relay on this decision. Y’all are ridiculous, acting like it’s a dang blood oath. It’s not that serious. If they want to change their mind at 17 and 18 so be it. I’m sure some of y’all have changed jobs in your life. You should have stayed “committed” to your employer forever instead of bettering your career. No different for them, PERIOD.
You're wrong and you *CLEARLY* do not understand what the meaning of the word commitment is.

Again, *YOU* are encouraging and coddling wishy washy behavior and that's a terrible lesson. A commitment is that serious. That's why it's called a commitment. It has weight to it. It means something. Risk is part of life. "If they want to change their mind at 17 and 18..." > don't commit. Again, this is not complicated at all and YOU ARE WRONG!

Period. You're part of the problem and excuse making. Won't work with me.
 
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You're wrong and you *CLEARLY* do not understand what the meaning of the word commitment is.

Again, *YOU* are encouraging and coddling wishy washy behavior and that's a terrible lesson. A commitment is that serious. That's why it's called a commitment. It has weight to it. It means something. Risk is part of life. "If they want to change their mind at 17 and 18..." > don't commit. Again, this is not complicated at all and YOU ARE WRONG!

Period. You're part of the problem and excuse making. Won't work with me.
Y’all want to talk about word salad. Committing doesn’t even bind you to the team. Someone where long ago some coach wanted to make a kid feel like he was bound to the school without getting to signing day so they used the word “commitment” then you put some made up values to the word. It’s more of a pledge and doesn’t mean ****. Until a LOI is signed things can change. I would never advise my kid to stay committed to school a if school b came along because they missed on their first hit. All while offering a better situation. Some of y’all are delusional. Again it’s a fluid thing not a blood oath. It’s simple not that serious.

If you have an employer offer you a contract worth 100 million over 5 years and before you sign that contract, company B offers you 10 million, you going to stick with A? Even if company B is the better situation. That’s what’s happening here .

I’m only wrong in your opinion . Obviously the powers at be, agree with me because rule changes are not happening. Again the LOI is the true commitment. Not “committing”