OT: carcinogenic beer

mstateglfr

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im ready for soda and Gatorade to return to glass bottles. Those… were…. Awesome.

They can be made returnable again. You got people picking up aluminum cans for a few bucks a pound. What about a bottle for a nickel again?

no one is picking up plastic bottles except for people working off fines.
My state has a $.05 per can/bottle charge and I haven't returned one in over 20 years.
If I were in college, the amount of cans would have been worth collecting, storing, and returning. But if $.60 for a 12pack 20 years ago didn't motivate me, it definitely doesn't now.
Just don't go thru enough cans to make storage worth the time.

If it were $.50 per bottle or can? Hell yes I will return em.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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My state has a $.05 per can/bottle charge and I haven't returned one in over 20 years.
If I were in college, the amount of cans would have been worth collecting, storing, and returning. But if $.60 for a 12pack 20 years ago didn't motivate me, it definitely doesn't now.
Just don't go thru enough cans to make storage worth the time.

If it were $.50 per bottle or can? Hell yes I will return em.
The deposit amount has to be adjusted. 50 cents would probably the sweet spot.
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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If only there were a way to relax/get a buzz without drinking alcohol that was completely legal. Oh well.
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You gotta die of something.
Yeah, but 17 dying of cancer if I can help it. Both of my parents fought it to the bitter end. Watching them go through chemo and radiation and having one piece at a time carved off of them was miserable.
 

Dawgbite

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During times of emergency Anheiser Busch cans water, or at least they used to. I’ve got a Sixpack around here somewhere on a shelf.
 

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I saw some Michelob Ultra N/A over the weekend, never had seen it before. 0.0% alcohol w/ 29 calories. With 0% alcohol and 29 calories, why the hell spend $10 on a 12 pack?

I do remember one time I had a kidney infection that was killing me and I was going on a bayou red fish trip w/ some buys. I had been hurting enough that I didn't want to waste the antibiotics by killing them with alcohol so I bought some N/A beer. Not sure what was worse, the N/A beer or the kidney infection pain, it was a toss up.
Amstel Light is my standard beer to have at home afterwork during the week. It is 3.5% ABV and 95 calories.
 

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In my mind, there is a strong distinction between "evidence shows that this risk MAY start to increase around one of fewer drinks per day" and "alcohol is a strong contributor to throat, esophageal, stomch and breast cancer".

The public health messaging sucks.

The absolute odds of a U.S. male developing cancer (according to this study) is 10% if you have less than one drink daily. These odds move to 11% if you have one drink and 13.4% if you have two drinks daily. The study does not control for other variables.

Numerous peer reviewed research studies suggest moderate red wine consumption can have health benefits when combined with proper exercise and diet. I read a paper yesterday that said their clinical data supports health benefits, but because people misinterpret this as a license to drink without adjusting other behaviors, they don’t recommend drinking.

Of course over drinking is bad for us and most Americans would be better off cutting back or off. Oversimplified, conflated messages that state broad public health issues as fact without nuisance or ignoring other data continue to be a problem.

Much like here: over drinking alcohol can contribute to cancer versus it causes cancer. Obesity is associated with and increase in cancer too; can’t wait for all food products to have a carcinogen warning added to the labels.
 
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HumpDawgy

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I just saw a picture of Jimmy Carter right before his death and was told he didn't drink. I cracked open a beer immediately. I'd rather check out early.
 

Bulldog Bruce

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I have a feeling this is going to go like the flip flopping on eggs. It’s bad for you, it’s good for you.. no its bad for you… no wait… good for you…
And butter. Plus the things they forced on us, margarine, now has it's problems. Olive Oil look out.
 

horshack.sixpack

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And butter. Plus the things they forced on us, margarine, now has it's problems. Olive Oil look out.
Get your wife a book called 100 Days of Real Food. You will be back on butter and whole milk soon. Of course she will take away processed stuff, but that still leaves bacon as "better" than sausage patties for example. I found ample room in interpretation of the book to make it add up in my favor.
 

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The public health messaging sucks.

The absolute odds of a U.S. male developing cancer (according to this study) is 10% if you have less than one drink daily. These odds move to 11% if you have one drink and 13.4% if you have two drinks daily. The study does not control for other variables.

Numerous peer reviewed research studies suggest moderate red wine consumption can have health benefits when combined with proper exercise and diet. I read a paper yesterday that said their clinical data supports health benefits, but because people misinterpret this as a license to drink without adjusting other behaviors, they don’t recommend drinking.

Of course over drinking is bad for us and most Americans would be better off cutting back or off. Oversimplified, conflated messages that state broad public health issues as fact without nuisance or ignoring other data continue to be a problem.

Much like here: over drinking alcohol can contribute to cancer versus it causes cancer. Obesity is associated with and increase in cancer too; can’t wait for all food products to have a carcinogen warning added to the labels.
My take is this. I'm going to take this information from this "surgeon general" with the same grain of salt that I have with the rest of the woke nanny state BS that's come out of this administration.
 
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dorndawg

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My take is this. I'm going to take this information from this "surgeon general" with the same grain of salt that I have with the rest of the woke nanny state BS that's come out of this administration.
Attempting to avoid cancer is woke, you guys.
 
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Bulldog Bruce

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Get your wife a book called 100 Days of Real Food. You will be back on butter and whole milk soon. Of course she will take away processed stuff, but that still leaves bacon as "better" than sausage patties for example. I found ample room in interpretation of the book to make it add up in my favor.
I do all the cooking. I do butter, eggs, and bacon. but there was a time in the 1980s and 90s that you would buy the Country Crock instead.

This also happened to me about 15 or 20 years ago. My wife and I went to either a Romano's or Carrabba's. They brought the bread to the table and there was a saucer with spices and herbs in it and the waiter brought a bottle of Olive Oil and poured it in the saucer. He then proceeded to tell a 2nd generation Italian American that this was Italian Butter. I corrected him and told him that in my grandmother's house and every Italian restaurant I went to growing up that we used "regular" butter and that was Olive Oil. Then I asked for regular butter. That was my first experience with that and I still have to always ask when we go to those places.
 

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My take is this. I'm going to take this information from this "surgeon general" with the same grain of salt that I have with the rest of the woke nanny state BS that's come out of this administration.
What if the next administration says the same exact thing? Trump is a teetotaler, himself....and eats his steak well-done with ketchup.
 

DesotoCountyDawg

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My take is this. I'm going to take this information from this "surgeon general" with the same grain of salt that I have with the rest of the woke nanny state BS that's come out of this administration.
Just wait until you see what comes out with the whack jobs in line to take over FDA and HHS. You’re about to see people in a position of power with very different views from conventional science and medicine.
 
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Just wait until you see what comes out with the whack jobs in line to take over FDA and HHS. You’re about to see people in a position of power with very different views from conventional science and medicine.
Don't worry, by then we will own Greenland, Canada, Mexico and the Panama Canal and have access to all their medical expertise. Finaly getting back to when we were building worldwide empires and great***
 

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Just wait until you see what comes out with the whack jobs in line to take over FDA and HHS. You’re about to see people in a position of power with very different views from conventional science and medicine.

I shudder in fear. That isn’t a joke.
 

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Also, this thread got the Ole Devil thinking. First, just smoke weed if you need a buzz that bad. Second, is there anything better than coke out of a glass bottle? Third, something is going to send you to me or dad eventually, so you might as well enjoy it. If you enjoy drinking, then have fun. If not, then move on to one of the other frequently available vices out there.
 
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thatsbaseball

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Just wait until you see what comes out with the whack jobs in line to take over FDA and HHS. You’re about to see people in a position of power with very different views from conventional science and medicine.
I know what's coming and I will bet you or anyone else that by the end of his first year in office that at least a third of the people that voted for Trump have buyers remorse. Hell I do already.
 

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And butter. Plus the things they forced on us, margarine, now has it's problems. Olive Oil look out.
Semi-related. My grandparents cooked everything in lard. They had some legitimately unhealthy habits, but that was one of the first things they tried to cut out when they started having health issues because the doctors told them to. That and salt. Somehow, in addition to the craziness of actually recommending margerine over butter or lard, the doctors didn't ask enough questions to find out if say, they kept a cabinet full of lil debbie and other snacks in their kitchen. Luckily they quit margerine relatively quickly so at least they didn't make it worse by using margerine, and they in reality probably didn't cut back much on salt but unfortunately probably wasted a lot of mental energy worrying about it when it wasn't a real contributor to any health issue they had.
 

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I don't have an issue with filtration, or really any of it, it just drives me nuts that I have to go to the lobby of the hotel to get her water if we "run out". It seems that simply refilling the water bottle from the tap might be OK occasionally. It is not. Now when it comes to the real glass hotel room glasses, I'm out. I'll never be convinced they really clean those...
You just think that because that's the reality.

You can pretty much know they aren't properly cleaned by watching the maid carts go down the hall. Maybe I'm just staying in hotels for the poors, but I've yet to see a cart with glasses on it. Which means those bad boys aren't leaving the room and are getting the quick rinseout and wipedown.
 
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DesotoCountyDawg

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You just think that because that's the reality.

You can pretty much know they aren't properly cleaned by watching the maid carts go down the hall. Maybe I'm just staying in hotels for the poors, but I've yet to see a cart with glasses on it. Which means those bad boys aren't leaving the room and are getting the quick rinseout and wipedown.
Are there any hotels that still have actual glasses in the rooms?
 

johnson86-1

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The public health messaging sucks.

The absolute odds of a U.S. male developing cancer (according to this study) is 10% if you have less than one drink daily. These odds move to 11% if you have one drink and 13.4% if you have two drinks daily. The study does not control for other variables.

Numerous peer reviewed research studies suggest moderate red wine consumption can have health benefits when combined with proper exercise and diet. I read a paper yesterday that said their clinical data supports health benefits, but because people misinterpret this as a license to drink without adjusting other behaviors, they don’t recommend drinking.

Of course over drinking is bad for us and most Americans would be better off cutting back or off. Oversimplified, conflated messages that state broad public health issues as fact without nuisance or ignoring other data continue to be a problem.

Much like here: over drinking alcohol can contribute to cancer versus it causes cancer. Obesity is associated with and increase in cancer too; can’t wait for all food products to have a carcinogen warning added to the labels.
Semi-related. When pregnant, my wife had a doctor warn her about having any alcohol and talked about the harms of fetal alcohol syndrome. Was adamant that no amount of alcohol was safe. In reality, studies show that heavy drinking are extremely bad for the baby (obviously), they can't find any impacts from light drinking (not to say that there aren't any; but obviously lots of people drink in the first trimester before they know they're pregnant and you can't go around identifying which kids had moms that drank some) and for obvious reasons haven't done any studies to determine what amount of alcohol has a negative impact on fetal development. I've got no problem the recommendation to avoid alcohol, but I wish more doctors appreciated the importance of being trustworthy, which includes acknowledging when you have good data to back up your recommendation, when it is based on a combination of values and reasoning (e.g., we don't know where the safe line is and I personally don't attribute any value to a glass of wine helping a mother relax), and when it's based on intuition and/or experience without hard data.
 
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