I remember saying here and elsewhere in early Feb 2020 this would be a big problem for the clinically weak (elderly and 300 pounders). I was more right than not. Not sure what science in real time means. If we wanted to see patterns and facts, they were staring us in the face.
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Can I get you to help with stock purchases too? That wasn't hard to predict, since literally every other disease is like that. We learned a LOT after Feb 2020. We are still learning.
Yes, but there was plenty of good info that was ignored because it didn't fit what was expected. For example, an outbreak in Korea was traced to one person who attended a church service, where several dozen people caught it. That is clear aerosol transmission, but doctors bent over backwards to explain it as oh they all touched the same surfaces. They expected it to transmit by contact, so they saw what they wanted to see in the evidence. There's reasons for this bias that go back a couple hundred years (miasma), so it's understandable, but a good bit maddening too as these are supposed to be the professionals that are above that.
I think this one is now understood at least at the top of the chain, so I do not expect this error to ever repeat. The bias on pathogenic evolution though is not any better than it was before. If you vaccinate a population against a pathogen, then that pathogen will evolve in response, but also which existing variants take hold and spread will be changed as well (which plays into evolution). As far as I can tell this is still not understood.
I think this one is now understood at least at the top of the chain, so I do not expect this error to ever repeat. The bias on pathogenic evolution though is not any better than it was before. If you vaccinate a population against a pathogen, then that pathogen will evolve in response, but also which existing variants take hold and spread will be changed as well (which plays into evolution). As far as I can tell this is still not understood.
Tested positive Thursday morning. Had a rough weekend, but now I'm just trying to recover. This is the third time I've had it and it wasn't as bad as the first time.
No, it didn't. It's still the third leading cause of death in the US. The flu is way behind that. It's still WAY more contagious than the flu. Where it's probably headed is toward the common cold. There is reason to believe that the other coronaviruses that cause some of the common cold sparked pandemics in our past. There is one from the late 1800s that is supposed to be from one of those I believe.
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If I remember that case correctly, I believe it involved a self-service buffet meal and a lot of close physical contact. They actually did have a basis for what they said. Vaccination makes it harder for a pathogen to evolve by the way, fewer hosts and just as importantly, not as sick hosts. That does NOT mean it won't evolve. We never even came close to the level of vaccination worldwide with covid for that to come into play unfortunately. We will never know if universal vaccination would have helped. It probably wasn't possible anyway. For starters, all 8 billion would probably have to have been vaccinated within about a month of each other.
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It’s not the third leading cause of death in the US. The data was/is adulterated. It’s impossible to know which covid deaths are legit. Fauci/Birx made a mess of the coding years ago. This is all established fact.
Technically, George Floyd was a covid death if you can believe that.
Oh good grief, you can win any argument you want to like that. My facts are untrue but yours are established, I got you now. LOL! No farther debate needed here.
Um...what?
Are you using 'most' the same way my kids use 'literally'? Because if you are, then sure I could agree with your claim. But if you are using 'most' as in 'over 50%', then your claim is bonkers.
Here are 10 of the most commonly prescribed medications in the US. Lemme know what/how most are outdated.
Atorvastatin (Lipitor)
Lisinopril (Prinivil, Zestril)
Albuterol (Accuneb, Ventolin, Proair, Proventil)
Levothyroxine (Synthroid, Unithroid, Levoxyl, Levo-T, Euthyrox)
Amlodipine (Norvasc, Amvaz)
Gabapentin (Neurontin)
Omeprazole (Prilosec)
Metformin (Glucophage)
Losartan (Cozaar)
Hydrocodone / Acetaminophen (Zolvit, Lorcet, Vicodin, Hycet, Xodol, Norco, Lortab, Maxidone)
Statin use is overblown. Cholesterol is a poor biomarker for CVD and the literature over the last 20 plus years backs it up.
Here’s a big metaanalysis of 21 RCTs on LDL-C
Association Between Low-Density Lipoprotein Cholesterol Reduction and Relative and Absolute Effects of Statin Treatment
This systematic review and meta-analysis examines the association between absolute reductions in low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels with treatment with statin therapy and all-cause mortality, myocardial infarction, and stroke.
jamanetwork.com
Never wouldve question my provider but our covid response gave me doubt.
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Those two points are not unrelated. Those were people that generally trusted the government (for all the complaints about politicians) and in particular trusted the medical community. That trust all got shattered in a short time frame, and those people are the least able to be able to look at the underlying data themselves (which is not all that important b/c most people can't on difficult questions) or more importantly, know a highly educated specialist that they can trust.
I still contend the biggest problem with COVID was that we had so many government officials that are supposedly educated and bright that were too dumb to realize how valuable credibility is. They shredded it for minimal gain (if any), even ignoring the effects of lack of trust. We have basically stopped offering the flu shot at work because our workers no longer get it. They did before, because that's what was recommended. Now that's not good enough. You can't segment trust. You are either trustworthy or not, and you don't get to say, yeah, we were misleading and politicized for COVID, but the Flu info is still good.
Slow but much better. I did not start this to spark debate but to inform my friends and see if Covid was ramping up as it is here. At my wife’s facility they went from zero cases to 4 - 10 - 14 - over 20 in around a week.
FWIW both of us got the first three shots. We both got Covid in August of 22. We both did Paxlovid and got over it pretty quick with mild symptoms. My wife hated Paxlovid and probably wouldn't do it again and I didn't have a lot of trouble with it. We're both over 70 and when I asked my doctor about the current vaccine he said he wouldn't recommend it but thought I'd be OK if I took it. Neither of us has taken it yet.
Just bc some of us don’t get the covid vaccine doesn’t mean we are anti vaccers.
just fyi.
Agree with this and thanks for saying, but this isn’t what they told us when they tried to shame everyone into taking it.
They get it the same way people get the flu multiple times.
It’s probably worse now bc it’s newer and less immunity.
I’m sorry, but Nobody talks about the young, well-conditioned athletes that have dropped dead from blood clots after being double-vaxxed, triple boosted ….just do your research, mostly soccer players which were under a mandate.
"folks" said that. Stop listening to those "folks." Covid didn't evolve into the flu. Those are different viruses.
I heard "folks" say George Floyd died after being vaccinated. Folks said that. Always trust folks when they say stuff.
Who are some of those athletes? Please talk about them. FYI, it's been discussed and studied. Maybe it's the conclusions reached that aren't talked about by the "nobody talks about" crowd: "Conclusion SCD rate among young US athletes in 2021-2022 was comparable to pre-pandemic estimates. There is currently no evidence to substantiate a link between (mRNA) COVID-19 vaccination and SCD in (young) athletes." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.02.13.23285851v1
Nobody was claiming it would somehow turn into a flu virus. They were claiming it would be endemic and essentially be another flu once it had made the rounds for a while and everybody had some prior exposure.
Conservatism has an intellectual basis outside of talk radio and cable news. It's interesting and thoughtful and seems to have been abandoned (see Patrick Allitt's "The Conservatives for an overview") in favor of championship-wrestling style personalities. Genuine conservatism is an attitude about change that says one should be suspicious about the consequences of excessively optimistic left-wing policies, not the reasonable ones. Authorities and expertise are valued and not immediately dismissed by reactionaries who, for instance, look to find one scientist out of 50 who disagrees with something generally accepted among the scientific community. A broad based education enables one to understand that and to become less susceptible to charlatans and slogans. FYI, I don't think some of the leftoids have a broad-based education. Liberals do and there are thoughtful liberals with good ideas. I was taught by some good liberals at State along with smart conservatives.
"evolve into the flu" is a claim. If they meant it would become less virulent, as happens to viruses over time, and will likely have a similar impact to seasonal flu or the common cold then they should write that. Not a fan of someone making a bold claim with absolute certainty when referring to "folks" or "they say" without identifying anyone.
Nobody talks about them?
For the last 3 years, every time some athlete dies or even has an issue, covid vaccination is discussed.
And by discussed, I mean people come out of the woodwork to happily claim, almost always without any knowledge on the situation, that the medical incident was due to the jab.
It's like clockwork.
Heck, go look at the Bronny James thread on SPS 3 or 4 months ago. A bunch of people on a Mississippi State message board were confidently declaring and/or agreeing that the jab made him collapse.
As if anyone here had insight.
Bronny James- Lebron’s son goes into Cardiac Arrest at USC workout - On3
Stable and out of ICU
What did he say in the quote I provided that is inaccurate?
Also, something tells me you wore a mask for a really long time thinking that it was scientific and non-buffoonery behavior.
That’s fair enough. But from my observation with working with the public, the ones getting actually sick the most often and the sickest seem to be the folks who got or get all these vaccines.
Yeah it was YA. Had several friends that went there. I went to Calhoun City (my pop was principal there for a long time). Some of the folks I knew that had gone to Grenada Lake Academy ended up at YA after GLA closed.
please understand that even if a lunatic says something non-controversial, that doesn’t mean the person is not a lunatic overall and it also doesn’t mean the person is non-controversial overall.
We had a bump a month or so ago around here. It wasn't as big as the ones in 20, 21, or 22 thank God. It never goes completely away though, and probably won't in our lifetime. Been worried about you. Glad you are doing better.
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