OT/FC: Brewery, Canyon Pizza & Music Mart to be forced out of their long-time homes as State College Borough invokes eminent domain

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Wow they are the owners? They maybe the only ones then that own the property downtown.
Could be. Moyer Jewelers (closed in 2018) owned their property. I'm pretty sure that they still own the property but rent the space to Miska Jewelers. They also own the space that the The Squirrel & Acorn Bookshop occupies next door to Miska on Allen Street.
 
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manatree

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Wow they are the owners? They maybe the only ones then that own the property downtown.
Yes. It's been clearly mentioned in every article on the matter. They will be compensated, but it will be a mere fraction of market value.
 

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Yes. It's been clearly mentioned in every article on the matter. They will be compensated, but it will be a mere fraction of market value.
If they bought in 70’s I’m sure they will make a nice profit over what they paid for it! Still sucks that it would close and be a parking lot. Survived college on 5 dollar pizza and beer night there.
 
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If they bought in 70’s I’m sure they will make a nice profit over what they paid for it! Still sucks that it would close and be a parking lot. Survived college on 5 dollar pizza and beer night there.
If by 70s you mean 1970s, then the answer is no. Ernie, who owned the Phyrst, owned that property too. It wasn't sold until much later than the 1970s.
 
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So I just heard they are tearing down the parking garage on Pugh for a cultural art center possibly? Condemned or about to be? Why not tear that down and rebuild. If I was the owner of the brewery and didn’t want to sell I would challenge it.
 
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So I just heard they are tearing down the parking garage on Pugh for a cultural art center possibly? Condemned or about to be? Why not tear that down and rebuild. If I was the owner of the brewery and didn’t want to sell I would challenge it.
That's been in the works for a while. The borough owns 3/4 of the property. The other 1/4 is owned by Heidi Nicholas.

They could hire an eminent domain lawyer. Obviously, the potential plaintiffs would have to weigh the risk/reward. They should do it for sure if they think the borough is lowballing them on their property. At least, they'd most likely force the borough to settle for proper/maximum compensation.

 
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manatree

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If they bought in 70’s I’m sure they will make a nice profit over what they paid for it! Still sucks that it would close and be a parking lot. Survived college on 5 dollar pizza and beer night there.

If by 70s you mean 1970s, then the answer is no. Ernie, who owned the Phyrst, owned that property too. It wasn't sold until much later than the 1970s.

The posted articles have clearly stated that Horgas & Rockey bought the property in the 1990s.
 

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So I just heard they are tearing down the parking garage on Pugh for a cultural art center possibly? Condemned or about to be? Why not tear that down and rebuild. If I was the owner of the brewery and didn’t want to sell I would challenge it.
Because the Borough has indicated that they can’t take 500 parking spots offline for the amount of time it will take them to rebuild. It is a difficult position for the Borough for sure; impact existing land and business owners or limit the ability of people to easily come downtown to enjoy the restaurants and shops that are there. Definitely a catch 22.
 

razpsu

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Then brewery could command better price. Any lawyers on here go consult them.
 

razpsu

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The posted articles have clearly stated that Horgas & Rockey bought the property in the 1990s.
Didn’t read it. 30 years later I’m sure they are getting good price compared to purchase. They also paid themselves rent for 30 years so they may have already made a couple million.
 

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That's been in the works for a while. The borough owns 3/4 of the property. The other 1/4 is owned by Heidi Nicholas. They must have come to an agreement. They could hire an eminent domain lawyer. Obviously, the potential plaintiffs would have to weight the risk/reward. They should do it for sure if they think the borough is lowballing them on their property. At least, they'd most likely force the borough to settle for proper/maximum compensation.


Is there any way that Penn State can pay for this performing arts center just to piss us off?
 

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My guess is that it doesn’t get built as they won’t raise enough private funds to make it feasible. This is Meyer’s wet dream which he needs somebody else to pay for and which will probably sit vacant more often than not.
Or will become another high rise with $6500 a month apartments.
 

manatree

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My guess is that it doesn’t get built as they won’t raise enough private funds to make it feasible. This is Meyer’s wet dream which he needs somebody else to pay for and which will probably sit vacant more often than not.

Exactly. I love the State Theatre, but it usually only has one or two events a week. Some weeks there is nothing. They're always just on the verge of folding. If the region can barely support a venue of that size, I don't see how it could ever support what Meyer is dreaming.
 

BobPSU92

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My guess is that it doesn’t get built as they won’t raise enough private funds to make it feasible. This is Meyer’s wet dream which he needs somebody else to pay for and which will probably sit vacant more often than not.

Wouldn‘t it draw millions of visitors per year like the Eric Barren Grand Cathedral of the Arts (and such)?
 

PSUJam

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But there is clearly a market for high rise partners or they wouldn’t keep building them.
I guess. We're moving our daughter into one of the dumps on Beaver at the end of this week. At least it's renovated, as opposed to Pollock Army barracks that she lived in last year.
 

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I guess. We're moving our daughter into one of the dumps on Beaver at the end of this week. At least it's renovated, as opposed to Pollock Army barracks that she lived in last year.
Yeah, my daughter was in West her freshman year. Certainly nothing to write home about!
 
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I guess what I don't understand is......why in the hell would you tear down a parking garage and construct a new one with the same number of spaces, when parking downtown is an issue?

I hate it when I agree with @razpsu but he's right. There's no reason for someone to buy a restaurant/run it downtown.
 
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PSUJam

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I guess what I don't understand is......why in the hell would you tear down a parking garage and construct a new one with the same number of spaces, when parking downtown is an issue?

I hate it when I agree with @razpsu but he's right. There's no reason for someone to buy a restaurant/run it downtown.
When Taco Bell can't survive on College Ave., you know there's issues.
 

PSUJam

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PSU is an elite, expensive school that draws students from elite, wealthy families. They aren’t eating Taco Bell.

PSU is no longer for us (or people who smell like us).
My daughter smells like us, and unfortunately she and her friends that smell like us have to Doordash Taco Bell on those nights it's required. Because there are some nights it's required. 😉
 

Hugh Laurie

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Parking space for what? Without Playland, the Deli, the Movie theaters and Pedro's..then Baby's, what business is even left around there to warrant another parking garage when there is already one on Pugh Street and McAllister street.
Pay to play scheme for the town administrators. .
 

manatree

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I wonder if the Borough Council has ever adopted a land acknowledgment?
 

BobPSU92

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Stupid questions:

Why can’t they build the new parking garage on the site of the one being torn down? Is it because the town would lose needed parking spaces during teardown and construction (i.e., if building in a different location, alternatively, they could tear down the old one only when the new one is open)? Is it because they want to build a larger parking garage than the old site can accommodate?
 
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