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85Bears

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Oh yes, all these asylum seekers are living it up and eating high off the hog with the 'freebies' they are getting.**
They aren't allowed to work for 6 months, per our laws, but you complain that they get free stuff. WT17 do you expect since we won't let them work for half a year?

As for your homeless vet comment, I can't respond to that because you cite no specifics.
In the news this week, they get debit cards with cash on them. You are uninformed. Stories carried by Newsweek and assoc press.

Also, Chicago is seeking 250 million more to provide migrants shelter and health care.
 

TNDawg1

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If it’s good for desperate people to illegally enter our country then by all means build an eight lane interstate to make it safe and convenient. Dont blow the whole wad on Zelensky
 

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The majority come in on a visa, and overstay it, which is not a criminal act.

Also, quoting an old sports movie, it's not a foul if the referee doesn't blow his whistle. We don't need a damn national immigration NIL to bless the bullshite already going on. That's not an improvement.
So you are pro criminal immigration. You should understand that is absolutely opposed to what you and I both agree on when it comes to immigration. LEGAL immigration is a bedrock that this country is founded upon. We need to make it easier. Powerful Democrats don't want that any more than Powerful Republicans do. Illegal aliens have no rights at all. Therefore they can be oppressed at will. Rich Democrats like that as much as Republicans do.
 
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Sure. I get that illegal crossing is breaking a law, but saying they start their life here as criminals when they make their way to a border asylum point and claim asylum is a bit disingenuous.

If someone isn't arrested or charged with a crime even though it's know to have taken place...are they a criminal? One of those arguable scenarios thst lives in the wide gray area of social issues.

Both Trump and Biden tried to initiate a process that would send people who illegally cross, back to the other side and the same judge overruled both. This is worth mentioning since so many now claim nothing is being done and a cabinet member was laughably impeached last week for lack of results at the border.
If the come in illegally they are criminals by definition. That is indisputable.
 

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In the news this week, they get debit cards with cash on them. You are uninformed. Stories carried by Newsweek and assoc press.

Also, Chicago is seeking 250 million more to provide migrants shelter and health care.
How does this counter what I posted? I am not uninformed. Yes I am aware immigrant groups and asylum groups are set up with some basics.
I am also aware of what is done for homeless populations regardless of military history.

As for what Chicago is requesting...yeah, again- this migration surge has to be paid for somehow. That isn't a surprise. Do you think the city doesn't have funding for homeless and transient people(adults, families, kids)?
 
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mstateglfr

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If it’s good for desperate people to illegally enter our country then by all means build an eight lane interstate to make it safe and convenient. Dont blow the whole wad on Zelensky
^ thinks the whole was is blown on Ukraine.
90% of US aid for Ukraine had been spent domestically as of the end of November. And as a % of gdp, as well as many other metrics, Ukraine spending is a blip.

Lose the ignorance. Just Google what you want to complain about before complaining to see if it's even mildly correct.
 
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How does this counter what I posted? I am not uninformed. Yes I am aware immigrant groups and asylum groups are set up with some basics.
I am also aware of what is done for homeless populations regardless of military history.

As for what Chicago is requesting...yeah, again- this migration surge has to be paid for somehow. That isn't a surprise. Do you think the city doesn't have funding for homeless and transient people(adults, families, kids)?
You mocked the idea that they get my benefits, they most certainly do. They get prepaid debit cards, heathcare, housing. that’s a lot more than our homeless get including our veterans.


For you to be so dismissive of the obvious massive wave of illegal immigration being flown and bussed into the US is dishonest.
 

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If it’s good for desperate people to illegally enter our country then by all means build an eight lane interstate to make it safe and convenient. Dont blow the whole wad on Zelensky
Ah, a pro Russian bastard. I honestly don't get it. If Putin wins, the West is in for a hell of a lot of trouble. I don't care if Zelenskyy is corrupt. Strategic sense is strategic sense. If I have to choose enemies and friends, I choose Zelenskyy over Putin. I think for my self. I don't let a demigod think for me.
 
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mstateglfr

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If the come in illegally they are criminals by definition. That is indisputable.
I get it, and yet...no crime is being looked into and multiple administration's have been hand tied to do anything.
So at some point, continuing to argue that it's criminal is pissing into the wind.
Idealistic vs pragmatic.
 
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Ah, a pro Russian bastard. I honestly don't get it. If Putin wins, the West is in for a hell of a lot of trouble. I don't care if Zelenskyy is corrupt. Strategic sense is strategic sense. If I have to choose enemies and friends, I choose Zelenskyy over Putin. I think for my self. I don't let a demigod think for me.
Maybe we shouldn’t have pulled a coup in 2014 in Ukraine overthrowing their democratically elected government. This was led by neocon Victoria Nuland. We installed cocaine addict Zelensky.

We have enough problems right here in our own country.
 

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I'm not a Democrat or a Republican anymore. I'm a Churchillian. We need to WAKE UP. All I see right now is 1938.
 

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You mocked the idea that they get my benefits, they most certainly do. They get prepaid debit cards, heathcare, housing. that’s a lot more than our homeless get including our veterans.


For you to be so dismissive of the obvious massive wave of illegal immigration being flown and bussed into the US is dishonest.
I didn't mock the idea that they get benefits. I don't know what you mean when you say 'my benefits' though.
I mocked the claim that they get 'a boatload of free shitassery that not even homeless veterans...have access to'.
I am very aware of what my city, county, and state provide to homeless kids and families with public funding as well as public-private partnerships. I am sure what is offered elsewhere in the country is different, but that doesn't change the reality that the generalization I initially responded to was an ignorant generalization.
 

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I get it, and yet...no crime is being looked into and multiple administration's have been hand tied to do anything.
So at some point, continuing to argue that it's criminal is pissing into the wind.
Idealistic vs pragmatic.
No, it's an indictment of multiple administrations. All of them recently for sure. I've been through immigration many times over the last decade. As a citizen that's my obligation. I would have been a criminal by definition had I not done it legally.
 

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Maybe we shouldn’t have pulled a coup in 2014 in Ukraine overthrowing their democratically elected government. This was led by neocon Victoria Nuland. We installed cocaine addict Zelensky.

We have enough problems right here in our own country.
You mean the government that was illegally elected against democratic norms, that would have capitulated its independence to Putin. The one that the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian people revolted against. I didn't know Putin posted here, but here he is.
 

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Oh geez, the Putin is hitler nonsense.
Oh geez, the ignorant fools that can't see the absolute similarities. You scare me, IF you are an American. Given what you posted I doubt you are.
 

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No, it's an indictment of multiple administrations. All of them recently for sure. I've been through immigration many times over the last decade. As a citizen that's my obligation. I would have been a criminal by definition had I not done it legally.
It's an indictment on multiple Executive administration when the Judicial branch ruled against these last 2 administration's and the Legislative branch holds the power to create and change immigration laws?

Immigration is incredibly complex, but your comment seems a bit misdirected.
 

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Oh geez, the ignorant fools that can't see the absolute similarities. You scare me, IF you are an American. Given what you posted I doubt you are.
LMAO, ok commander.

maybe we should stop poking the guy with a sharp stick if he has more nukes than anyone on the world, just a thought.
 
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It's an indictment on multiple Executive administration when the Judicial branch ruled against these last 2 administration's and the Legislative branch holds the power to create and change immigration laws?

Immigration is incredibly complex, but your comment seems a bit misdirected.
I want legal immigration law to be eased. we need legal immigration. That being said I want the penalties for
Illegal immigration to be draconian.
 

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LMAO, ok commander.

maybe we should stop poking the guy with a sharp stick if he has more nukes than anyone on the world, just a thought.
Ok Vladimir. We get it, we should submit to your all powerful Imperial Russian will
 

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You mean the government that was illegally elected against democratic norms, that would have capitulated its independence to Putin. The one that the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian people revolted against. I didn't know Putin posted here, but here he is.

Victoria Nuland bragged about our overthrowing Ukraine’s govt in 2014. We meddled in their country in an extreme way. zelensky has cancelled elections there. It’s a money laundering operation. Lol
 
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Ah, a pro Russian bastard. I honestly don't get it. If Putin wins, the West is in for a hell of a lot of trouble. I don't care if Zelenskyy is corrupt. Strategic sense is strategic sense. If I have to choose enemies and friends, I choose Zelenskyy over Putin. I think for my self. I don't let a demigod think for me.
We’ve already swallowed enough Marxist poison to fade out on our own. Don’t give me some star spangled Cold War crap.
 
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I can't come back to the fact that it will take around $100 billion to fix something that was not nearly as much of a problem three years ago as we have now. For some reason, we need to fix this by spending billions on the Ukraine war and the problems in Israel. You can toss out all the facts and figures you want, but this doesn't make common sense.

We have no problem spending billions of our grandchildren's dollars.
 

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Victoria Nuland bragged about our overthrowing Ukraine’s govt in 2014. We meddled in their country in an extreme way. zelensky has cancelled elections there. It’s a money laundering operation. Lol
Ok Vladimir. I can think for myself,
As long as you allow it in the US. How did Putin buy you? Serious question.
 
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85Bears

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Ok Vladimir. I can think for myself,
As long as you allow it in the US. How did Putin buy you? Serious question.
You sound like one of those crazy cat lady Democrats on Twitter, anybody who doesn’t want to start a war with Russia is called “comrade” and a “kgb asset”, Lol

kind of like Adam Schiffs lies that Trump works for the KGB
 

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I can't come back to the fact that it will take around $100 billion to fix something that was not nearly as much of a problem three years ago as we have now. For some reason, we need to fix this by spending billions on the Ukraine war and the problems in Israel. You can toss out all the facts and figures you want, but this doesn't make common sense.

We have no problem spending billions of our grandchildren's dollars.
I get it my friend. The problem is that we screwed up when we embraced the so called, and eventually proved non-existent "peace dividend." We won the Cold War, only to destroy on our own initiative the means by which we won it.
 

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You sound like one of those crazy cat lady Democrats on Twitter, anybody who doesn’t want to start a war with Russia is called “comrade” and a “kgb asset”, Lol

kind of like Adam Schiffs lies that Trump works for the KGB
Hilarious, you think I'm a Democrat. God, what's happened to our Grand Old Party. I'm a staunch Reagan Republican, a REAL Republican.
 

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Hilarious, you think I'm a Democrat. God, what's happened to our Grand Old Party. I'm a staunch Reagan Republican, a REAL Republican.
You’re a republican like John McCain and Lindsey Graham are Republicans.
 
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A nuclear submarine costs 3-5 Billion, kind of like an NFL domed stadium you drive underwater. Just one of them. Who helps pay for that ? We have 11 carriers to the next guy’s 3. What’s it all about Alfie ?
 
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A nuclear submarine costs 3-5 Billion, kind of like an NFL domed stadium you drive underwater. Just one of them. Who helps pay for that ? We have 11 carriers to the next guy’s 3. What’s it all about Alfie ?
These chicken hawks won’t be going over to fight once they start a war, not them. let’s drop Lindsey Graham and neocons off with a parachute and m16, they can kick Putin’s @SS all by themselves.
 
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No I mean Joe Biden and Blinken, the whole parade of clowns sending 150 billion dollars over to Ukraine to be laundered, stolen and wasted.
How much has been allocated to help Ukraine?
How much has been actually sent there?
How much has been allocated and spent domestically?

Cite sources.
This is me trying to teach someone to fish.
 

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I hope he gets to the Rhineland by August ***
At least you get the history. Sort of. The Z stuff, the symbolism, the distortion of history, from Putin is almost verbatim from Hitler and National Socialism. Had the French stopped the occupation of the Rheinland, as they absolutely could have, WWII probably wouldn't have happened. We are at about that stage now.
 

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A nuclear submarine costs 3-5 Billion, kind of like an NFL domed stadium you drive underwater. Just one of them. Who helps pay for that ? We have 11 carriers to the next guy’s 3. What’s it all about Alfie ?
Well said Neville.
 
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L4Dawg

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No I mean Joe Biden and Blinken, the whole parade of clowns sending 150 billion dollars over to Ukraine to be laundered, stolen and wasted.
Did we ask if the Brits squandered lend lease. We did not. We only wanted to know if they were buying us time to rearm. They did, barely. Hopefully, despite our ignorant fools as evidenced here, we will provide the Ukrainians enough this time. You idiots aren't happy with us supplying them with arms to fight with, which they want to do unreservedly. You want them to loose, which will mean OUR sons, and now daughters, will have to fight and die in this fight. God help us in our ignorance.
 

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Did we ask if the Brits squandered lend lease. We did not. We only wanted to know if they were buying us time to rearm. They did, barely. Hopefully, despite our ignorant fools as evidenced here, we will provide the Ukrainians enough this time. You idiots aren't happy with us supplying them with arms to fight with, which they want to do unreservedly. You want them to loose, which will mean OUR sons, and now daughters, will have to fight and die in this fight. God help us in our ignorance.

If Russia is getting prepared to run the table then they‘re doing a ****** job in Ukraine. I just happen to believe they have economic interests in Ukraine and not WW3 aspirations. But no, he’s a mad man hey let’s needle him print more money then more
 
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So you are pro criminal immigration.
Did I say that?
You should understand that is absolutely opposed to what you and I both agree on when it comes to immigration.
who knows what you agree on
LEGAL immigration is a bedrock that this country is founded upon.
massive allowed immigration is another way to put it. Besides, at what point in our history were we even able to control it?
We need to make it easier.
not neccesarily.
Powerful Democrats don't want that any more than Powerful Republicans do. Illegal aliens have no rights at all. Therefore they can be oppressed at will. Rich Democrats like that as much as Republicans do.
Those that want the status quo, love immigration. They don't really care how they get it. It grows the economy and gets them money.
 
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