OT: Living in Another Country

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I have read travel warnings about a specific part of Belize City. Islands, inland, and rural coast seem to be void of the issues that are in a specific part of the main city.

The chart below is kinda interesting- its homicide rate per 100K for all countries, sorted highest to lowest, from mostly 2022. The Caribbean is really punching above its weight on this!
The Caribbean and Latin America combined are crushing the competition. 17 out of the top 19 spots?!
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The healthcare system is worse than horrible? It could be better, but claiming it is worse than horrible is a helluva dramatic take.
Canada spends 65% less of its GDP than the US spends on healthcare and has a lower infant mortality rate and higher life expectancy...which are common measures of effective healthcare(though many factors impact both stats).
- Canada is known to have a longer wait time for non-emergency surgery or non-emergency specialist consults.
- US is known to literally bankrupt people for being treated.
- US is known for people delaying or avoiding medical care due to cost, which reduces early detection.

Canada ranks poorly amongst high income countries in the categories of access and equity because dental care and medication arent universal benefits. So the very things that arent included are what hurts them. Spending more of its GDP on healthcare would bring those things in as benefits and the country would rank higher than it currently does while still spending less as a % of GDP than the US.
Canada ranged in the top 10% of a decades long analysis of Healthcare Access and Quality in 195 countries.




The reality of systems like healthcare within countries is that they are complex and difficult to benchmark. But what is easy is to know that Canada's healthcare is not worse than horrible.
I think that the waits for what their system call non-emergency is pretty bad at times. I have a friend in Edmonton who had a hernia that he could not get treated in a reasonable amount of time. Very painful, sidelining his daily work to a large degree. He told me he "got lucky" because his intestine got pinched in a way that made it life threatening, so he got to get surgery quickly.
 

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Not criticism but the above caught my eye. Moving into a country of foreigners worried if they have foreigners? I don’t understand that general concern.

I am hoping he said that in as a way to express that perhaps a place which has experienced a surge in recent immigration may not be the ideal location because housing, infrastructure, etc would likely be stressed and that could make for a less than ideal living experience.

In every scenario posted in this thread...we are the immigrants.
Not worried if they have foreigners. Worried if they have violent ones. That's why I said "badly impacted". From what I can tell, they are well behind France as far as having immigrants that hate the country and its infidel residents, but hard to say without being on the ground in places you'd actually live as opposed to the touristy areas.
 
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Not worried if they have foreigners. Worried if they have violent ones. That's why I said "badly impacted". From what I can tell, they are well behind France as far as having immigrants that hate the country and its infidel residents, but hard to say without being on the ground in places you'd actually live as opposed to the touristy areas.
Gotcha. I havent really thought to delineate foreigner violence from native violence since ultimately its violence in an area. I dont really care if it came from people who were born there or people who came there after birth. They seem equally bad to me.
 

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Not worried if they have foreigners. Worried if they have violent ones. That's why I said "badly impacted". From what I can tell, they are well behind France as far as having immigrants that hate the country and its infidel residents, but hard to say without being on the ground in places you'd actually live as opposed to the touristy areas.
I think that I would like to spend a multi-month period in any country that I was considering moving to permanently to see what it is really like. Hard to get a perspective without abandoning the regular tourist paths and embedding in the culture for some amount of time.
 
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Gotcha. I havent really thought to delineate foreigner violence from native violence since ultimately its violence in an area. I dont really care if it came from people who were born there or people who came there after birth. They seem equally bad to me.
Emotionally, it is hard for people to get over the person being killed by someone who "shouldn't even be here" vs someone that was a native (i.e. they were going be here because they are citizens). Realistically, our undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a rate that is lower than US citizens, but we are used to our own crime. Kind of like you can punch your brother and beat him half to death, but nobody else better try it. The frequency of you beating on your brother is much higher than others, but hits different.
 
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Ireland. Went there for my honeymoon and would love to go back and settle into a small village somewhere. Just have to be rich enough to have a personal driver so I don't kill myself driving on the wrong side of the road.
Don’t worry

The steering wheel is on the wrong side of the car. That’ll keep you from driving on the right.

Buy a car with automatic transmission though so you don’t have to shift with your left hand.
 
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I have read travel warnings about a specific part of Belize City. Islands, inland, and rural coast seem to be void of the issues that are in a specific part of the main city.

The chart below is kinda interesting- its homicide rate per 100K for all countries, sorted highest to lowest, from mostly 2022. The Caribbean is really punching above its weight on this!
The Caribbean and Latin America combined are crushing the competition. 17 out of the top 19 spots?!
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The healthcare system is worse than horrible? It could be better, but claiming it is worse than horrible is a helluva dramatic take.
Canada spends 65% less of its GDP than the US spends on healthcare and has a lower infant mortality rate and higher life expectancy...which are common measures of effective healthcare(though many factors impact both stats).
- Canada is known to have a longer wait time for non-emergency surgery or non-emergency specialist consults.
- US is known to literally bankrupt people for being treated.
- US is known for people delaying or avoiding medical care due to cost, which reduces early detection.

Canada ranks poorly amongst high income countries in the categories of access and equity because dental care and medication arent universal benefits. So the very things that arent included are what hurts them. Spending more of its GDP on healthcare would bring those things in as benefits and the country would rank higher than it currently does while still spending less as a % of GDP than the US.
Canada ranged in the top 10% of a decades long analysis of Healthcare Access and Quality in 195 countries.




The reality of systems like healthcare within countries is that they are complex and difficult to benchmark. But what is easy is to know that Canada's healthcare is not worse than horrible.

I have an in-law and know of 2 others that have waited for more than an year for surgeries that were life threatening that people here are able to get immediately. So, yeah, I would call that worse than horrible.
 
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We are paring down our options from Panama, Costa Rica and Mexico (San Miguel de Allende and Merida). We've been going to these spots for the last 6-7 years on scouting trips. Panama is the leader due to cost of living, stability, infrastructure and crime. Also, no hurricanes there. It's beautiful and easy to get back stateside (multiple direct flights to several US airports). I speak Spanish, which wasn't difficult to pick up when immersed. It's a much more relaxed culture and healthcare is very good. Housing is astonishingly affordable. If you need expat community, there's a large international expat community, not just Americans.
 

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Gotcha. I havent really thought to delineate foreigner violence from native violence since ultimately its violence in an area. I dont really care if it came from people who were born there or people who came there after birth. They seem equally bad to me.
Well, I don't think there is a western european country (which in my mind is basically scandinavia, Germany, Austria, and Italy and everything wets to them; not sure where everybody else would draw that line) that is dangerous by US standards without it stemming from muslim immigration, whether recent immigrants or unassimilated populations.

But also, if it's just everyday violence, most of that is still going to be between people that know each other or it's going to be in areas you can avoid or you can take actions to avoid looking like a desirable target. If there is a large population of people that hate you because you're an infidel, that's a little harder to mitigate against.
 

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France, really? Anyone I've ever spoken with about a visit to Europe said France was at the bottom of their list of favorite countries
I've been to France. I thought it was great. I 'll qualify that by saying that I have never been to Paris. I hear it's not like the rest of the country.
 

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I have an in-law and know of 2 others that have waited for more than an year for surgeries that were life threatening that people here are able to get immediately. So, yeah, I would call that worse than horrible.
Thats terrible to hear.
There are examples of people in the US going without care because of cost, and dying from undiagnosed issues.


As posted earlier- healthcare systems are complex and have areas to improve- whether they are private for-profit, government managed, or a mix of both.
If a top priority of yours is healthcare, and you view your current setup(and projected setup) as ideal, it is best that you stay in the US for this hypothetical. No need to participate in the thread then.
 
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“Better” depends on your definition and situation. If you are in the US with insurance and easy access to quality care, then “better” might mean less money for the same.

If you are one of the 26 million Americans without health insurance better might just mean you have access to decent healthcare.

I don’t think there is a magic formula that I’ve seen that solves the disparity. No matter where you live more money means better healthcare.
Canadians spend more money (in taxes) but they don’t have better healthcare.
 
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I am hoping he said that in as a way to express that perhaps a place which has experienced a surge in recent immigration may not be the ideal location because housing, infrastructure, etc would likely be stressed and that could make for a less than ideal living experience.

In every scenario posted in this thread...we are the immigrants.
Not all immigrants are the same.
 

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Thats terrible to hear.
There are examples of people in the US going without care because of cost, and dying from undiagnosed issues.


As posted earlier- healthcare systems are complex and have areas to improve- whether they are private for-profit, government managed, or a mix of both.
If a top priority of yours is healthcare, and you view your current setup(and projected setup) as ideal, it is best that you stay in the US for this hypothetical. No need to participate in the thread then.
Honestly, the common factor across all nations is to have timely healthcare when you want it, you just have to have money. In the US that means you likely have insurance and can keep up with the out of pocket stuff and pay when insurance denies. In other countries, that means you can pay for private healthcare or fly to the US worst case if you want treatment on your terms/time frame.

So there is your easy answer. All you guys just need to get rich or stop complaining.***
 
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I have read travel warnings about a specific part of Belize City. Islands, inland, and rural coast seem to be void of the issues that are in a specific part of the main city.

The chart below is kinda interesting- its homicide rate per 100K for all countries, sorted highest to lowest, from mostly 2022. The Caribbean is really punching above its weight on this!
The Caribbean and Latin America combined are crushing the competition. 17 out of the top 19 spots?!
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I've been all over the country of Belize, from off the beaten path in the inland jungle to the coast and I've always felt safe. The only time I got an uneasy felling was in Belize City. From past trips I was told we would be safe as long as we stayed on the North side of the canal. Apparently the south side of the canal has a gang / cartel problem and because the local authorities can't fully control it they try too keep it contained in that area. One trip, I took my father down there fishing and we had a few hours to kill before our flight and didn't want to go sit at a bar. My Dad slipped our driver some cash and told him we wanted to see the good and bad parts of Belize City. The north side of the canal wasn't bad just people trying to make a living off the tourist. When we crossed the bridge to the south part of town you could tell 4 gringos in a mini van drew a lot of attention. After we went through 2 armed check points and the driver had to explain why he was bringing Americans to that part of town we decided to go back to the beach side bar and wait for our afternoon flight.
 
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Speak to me. It's at the top with Italy except I have friends in France.
In the past 5 years my daughter has been twice once for work and once for what was supposed to be a 10 day vacation. Her and 4 others changed plans and left after 3 days went to Spain instead of staying in France. All agreed it was the biggest gathering of self centered narcissistic azz holes outside of Vaught Hemingway stadium. Overinflated opinions of themselves and they don't care for us amigos and don't go out of their way to show any appreciation for you being there.
Sister in law and brother in law went about a year ago and said never again. Surprisingly they said the food was terrible and the people even worse.
My boss went earlier this year with her daughter, they both say no reason for them to ever go back. They didn't have terrible things to say, just nothing positive.
All agreed that the melting pot it has become for refugees from all around was part of the problem.
I have no opinion but just don't hear anything positive.
 

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We went to Paris and had a great time. They weren't rude, just not openly friendly. Food was good and we would love to go back.

Although if we were moving somewhere, it would be Ireland.
 
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In the past 5 years my daughter has been twice once for work and once for what was supposed to be a 10 day vacation. Her and 4 others changed plans and left after 3 days went to Spain instead of staying in France. All agreed it was the biggest gathering of self centered narcissistic azz holes outside of Vaught Hemingway stadium. Overinflated opinions of themselves and they don't care for us amigos and don't go out of their way to show any appreciation for you being there.
Sister in law and brother in law went about a year ago and said never again. Surprisingly they said the food was terrible and the people even worse.
My boss went earlier this year with her daughter, they both say no reason for them to ever go back. They didn't have terrible things to say, just nothing positive.
All agreed that the melting pot it has become for refugees from all around was part of the problem.
I have no opinion but just don't hear anything positive.
Spain reminds me of Mexico.
 
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We talk about this randomly from time to time. Our list in no particular order usually consists of : Poland, Norway, Estonia, Ireland, Germany

Me personally, Poland is by far and away the favorite.
 
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I assume that I’d be wealthy enough to enjoy living in the country. With that in mind, I’d choose New Zealand. They have a lot of hunting, running, and backpacking opportunities. It’s clean and safe. It’s also far enough away from most political BS that I could avoid that nonsense for the rest of my days.
 
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I remember watching a Frontline documentary on PBS a few years ago about countries with nationalized healthcare (I know, not exactly an unbiased source). My takeaway was that there is no perfect system. One country had a nationwide strike because they tried to control salaries. I think it was South Korea who had this wonderful debit card that everyone could use for their healthcare. But they said if you use it too much, someone from the government would come to your house and question you.
 

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Spain--and no one's in second place. The people, the weather, the food, wine. And extremely safe
 
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Just going by talking to them. your poll just says they are dissatisfied, not that they don’t think they have better healthcare care than us. You were way off on what they spend.
They pay a hell of a lot more in taxes than we do and they don’t get near the product we have.
 

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Where can I take all my guns? If it came down to forced to leave I guess that means the US is done. So a wall goes around my 5 acres and BruceLand is where I stay.