Paris was different. I wouldn't go back. People taking dumps outside jewelry stores on champs elysees, not on the side in some alley, like drop at the front door and do it. It was more difficult to find really good food that was boasted. I also caught a pair of Africans trying to pick pocket me. Trash everywhere. So, not a fun week.
OT: Living in Another Country
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They spend as a nation half what we do per capita on healthcare. They get what they pay for, but not if you ask most of them. Most of them would take their system over ours. I wouldn't, but they do. The fact is nearly every country in the world is dissatisfied with its healthcare system. No country on earth can afford everything for everybody.
It's mostly evacuated at the moment. The volcano is showing signs of an eruption.
"was" showing signs. the quakes have subsided and normalcy is returning. that place is absolutely beautiful, especially sunset view from Fira.
Well, this land we live on has been ruled by multiple kings. All of our ancestors, native americans included, were once ruled by kings. History is history.
No. We believe our rights are given to us by God. It may even be written somewhere.
I'm not an overly religious person, but I do believe in that ethos.
I believe that too, but your ancestors and mine were once ruled by kings. That is a FACT. The land we live on has been ruled by multiple kings. That is also FACT. If you want to move to someplace that has never been ruled by a king you are going to have a very hard time finding one. Maybe you can sign up for Elon's Mars colony.
If the United States of America ever had a king, tell me who it was. Don King, Larry King, and King Kong Bundy don't count.
disagree. these 'rights' are developed by humans as they evolve. unfortunately, credit is usually misgiven to a deity, but as a secular humanist, i ascribe to the idea that rights are and should always be grounded in secular, non-religious principles, ensuring they are universal and applicable to all individuals, regardless of their beliefs...or rejection of beliefs.
"Creator". You can translate that however you wish. Again, not a directive from a king.
That universal principle without any religious underpinning is "might makes right". It's generally not very pretty and you don't want to convince a bunch of people that there are no rights except what a bunch of randomly evolved organisms can agree to. That can lead to some ugly things.
I lived in Norway, just outside of Bergen for a short time. Beautiful country, hot women, super-nice people.
No, you gave a source that addressed something I didn’t say. Most Americans are also dissatisfied with our system as well. Ever been to Canada and had this conversation with Canadians?
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Yes but that doesn’t matter bc it’s as anecdotal as it gets so I don’t use it as the gotcha you do bc that would be idiotic.
egregiously incorrect. humanity has had approximately 7000 years of recorded "religious underpinnings" and in rare, if any cases, it hasn't been pretty at all.
I didn't say any religious belief is good or that religious belief would stop humans from being humans. I just said if you want a universal principle without a religious basis, the only one is "might makes right". The only places i know of that have had a more or less explicit goal of stamping out religious beliefs have been tied to communist regimes and have of course committed mass murder. But that doesn't mean it couldn't work out ok. But I'm skeptical. Lots of people in western europe and the US generally act as if there are objective morals even if they don't really think about a basis for them; but you also have people that go down that route and when they think about it more, advocate for child murder. Not sure how many people would follow the logic of their conclusions to advocate for atrocities, but it'd definitely be a concern.
And yet another thread that should have been nothing but simple responses has gone completely off the rails.
I’d love for you to give the examples of successful civilizations without religion compared to those with religion.
Lol, now I now you have just been trolling. You have never even been there.