OT: Pharmaceutical Ads

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The commercials are definitely not intended for the small amount of people that would need said drug. They are the drugs with the least side effects (🤣), and they are a payoff to never speak against the payer.
 

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Drug commercials are forever wild to me. You’re just sitting there minding your own business, watching the Wheel.

Next thing you know: “You dumbasss fat17 loser, if you don’t give us a shiitload of money for these pills you’re gonna 17ing die soon!”
 

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Only two countries in the world allow direct to consumer prescription advertising, the United States and New Zealand. Both are considered highly capitalistic countries. If I was an alien monitoring local Jackson TV from the moon, I would think the only thing humans do is take pills and hire attorneys.
 

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America is only
Flipping channels and I literally just hit on 5 consecutive drug ads on 5 different stations.

Is it still a conspiracy theory or even a stretch to say that the pharmaceutical companies are basically running the country? They certainly own our completely 17'd up health care system.
The United States is one of only two countries in the world, that allow direct-to-consumer prescription drug advertising on television, and through over platforms as well.
 

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Flipping channels and I literally just hit on 5 consecutive drug ads on 5 different stations.

Is it still a conspiracy theory or even a stretch to say that the pharmaceutical companies are basically running the country? They certainly own our completely 17'd up health care system.
The military industrial complex and healthcare industrial complex run this country.
 

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The problem is that capitalism and health care don’t mix well. And I say that as an extremely economically conservative physician.

Unfortunately the other option is the federal government stepping in.

ETA: our SEC opener is in just over an hour, and this is the stuff for the top of the board. These are dark times.
 

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The military industrial complex and healthcare industrial complex run this country.
Everyone looks at me like I'm the old man (I am) when I say the only way to fix this country is to start by fixing our health system, starting with the drug companies. It is a massive drain on our economy in my opinion. (I'm not that damn old.)
 

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The problem is that capitalism and health care don’t mix well. And I say that as an extremely economically conservative physician.

Unfortunately the other option is the federal government stepping in.

ETA: our SEC opener is in just over an hour, and this is the stuff for the top of the board. These are dark times.

Well, I was looking for football related stuff when I saw all the ads, so there's that.

If it was true capitalism, that might better than this Frankenstein system we have. It's the massive interference in the system by government that seems to cause the majority of the problems.
 
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So… I have been a pharmaceutical rep for 25 yrs. If you think we own the healthcare system you are way off base. Not even in the same ballpark.

We are like a gnat on an elephants back.

Medicare/Insurance companies are the driving force.

Certainly I'm oversimplifying the problem massively.

But, it is a massive problem and their seems to be little intention to change anything from those most responsible for it. More profits is always the focus. The 17'n constant vaccine ads are disgusting.
 

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The commercials are definitely not intended for the small amount of people that would need said drug.

This is the part that's so confusing to me. It seems like every drug commercial I see is for something that affects 1 in about 250k people. Rarely anything anymore about blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, or anything that's an actual common condition
 

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This is the part that's so confusing to me. It seems like every drug commercial I see is for something that affects 1 in about 250k people. Rarely anything anymore about blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, or anything that's an actual common condition
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This is the part that's so confusing to me. It seems like every drug commercial I see is for something that affects 1 in about 250k people. Rarely anything anymore about blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, or anything that's an actual common condition
Thats Because the drugs they are advertising make the a bazillion dollars if even just a few people get them
 

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I don't understand why there are ads for meds that require a prescription. I suppose the thought is that you'll suggest one of the meds to your doctor, who'll then prescribe it.

But isn't the doctor the one who should be telling you, the patient, what to take instead of you telling him?
 
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I don't understand why there are ads for meds that require a prescription. I suppose the thought is that you'll suggest one of the meds to your doctor, who'll then prescribe it.

But isn't the doctor the one who should be telling you, the patient, what to take instead of you telling him?
Yep. But the pharmaceutical companies make money off of those prescriptions. Patients show up almost demanding those medications, and then more prescriptions are written. This goes along with my above comment that capitalism and healthcare don’t mix.

as a rule I don’t prescribe brand new meds until they are out in the wild for a while.

I personally think pharmaceutical ads should be illegal.
 

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Flipping channels and I literally just hit on 5 consecutive drug ads on 5 different stations.

Is it still a conspiracy theory or even a stretch to say that the pharmaceutical companies are basically running the country? They certainly own our completely 17'd up health care system.
I don't think drug companies are running the country, but Healthcare and Defense sure seem to be, and Pharma is part of Healthcare.

Should Pharma not advertise? Wouldn't that be anti-capitalistic?

I mean, yeah of course they shouldn't be able to advertise like they do, but those who want to limit companies from potentially making money are hated by many. And it can be argued that those people don't want the suffering public to be informed of potential help.
It's BS, but it's effective. Not many want to be labeled anti-capitalist/socialist or be told they are hurting others.
 

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My wife once had to pay $400 every three months for her prescription. She is skinny as a rail, but she has diabetes. It's hereditary.

I know that people have it worse than we have, but that was a great expense for our budget.
 
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Well, if any of you guys with a high school degree need a job, you can work for an insurance company and sit in a cubicle and tell doctors what they can and can’t prescribe.
Insurance companies set their standards based on cost not medical reasons. The root cause of the pharm crisis stems from the extremely high expense to the American consumer on select drugs that the world enjoys at lower cost. Maybe we need an agency such as Canada's PMPRB which helps regulate patented drug prices.
 
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Insurance companies set their standards based on cost not medical reasons. The root cause of the pharm crisis stems from the extremely high expense to the American consumer on select drugs that the world enjoys at lower cost. Maybe we need an agency such as Canada's PMPRB which helps regulate patented drug prices.
This all day. The United States pays more for medications than any other country in the world and there’s no reason other than they just can.
 
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Heart burn, incontinence, headaches, nausea, depression...

I get most of the side effects from these pills just by watching State.
 

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When I was raised (and when I raised my children) we had good health care, the doctors were all wealthy and happy, insurance was affordable and there was no drug advertising. WTF happened ?
 

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Yep. But the pharmaceutical companies make money off of those prescriptions. Patients show up almost demanding those medications, and then more prescriptions are written. This goes along with my above comment that capitalism and healthcare don’t mix.

as a rule I don’t prescribe brand new meds until they are out in the wild for a while.

I personally think pharmaceutical ads should be illegal.
What i find odd is the notion of "asking my doctor if Fuckyouall is right for me." I can't imagine a scenario where I would be asking for a drug I saw on tv.
 
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I don't think drug companies are running the country, but Healthcare and Defense sure seem to be, and Pharma is part of Healthcare.

Should Pharma not advertise? Wouldn't that be anti-capitalistic?

I mean, yeah of course they shouldn't be able to advertise like they do, but those who want to limit companies from potentially making money are hated by many. And it can be argued that those people don't want the suffering public to be informed of potential help.
It's BS, but it's effective. Not many want to be labeled anti-capitalist/socialist or be told they are hurting others.
Cigarette companies aren’t allowed to advertise. Not exactly the same thing I know, but just saying it has been done before
 

mstateglfr

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Cigarette companies aren’t allowed to advertise. Not exactly the same thing I know, but just saying it has been done before
Yeah it's been done before. And personally I think it should be done a lot more.

...but I am also called a socialist and accused of hating business success on SPS, so I understand many here will lilely find my views on Pharma advertising to be terrible.
 

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Yeah it's been done before. And personally I think it should be done a lot more.

...but I am also called a socialist and accused of hating business success on SPS, so I understand many here will lilely find my views on Pharma advertising to be terrible.
Well, you and I can drink vodka together on this one, comrade
 
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mstateglfr

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This all day. The United States pays more for medications than any other country in the world and there’s no reason other than they just can.
It's a feature not a bug in the system.

- Who are we to regulate what companies earn for selling their products?
- Who are we to limit investor profits?
- Trust the market to determine what pricing should be.


Hard application of ** to all those points.
But at the same time, SPS has been dominated by these responses for years and years. Is the tide turning and more are recognizing that more intervention and regulation is needed?
...I am not claiming you, DCD, have changed. Just quoting your comment since it's a good point and pivoting to comment in what SPS has commonly held as a collective view. Haven't seen that in this thread yet.
 

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It's a feature not a bug in the system.

- Who are we to regulate what companies earn for selling their products?
- Who are we to limit investor profits?
- Trust the market to determine what pricing should be.


Hard application of ** to all those points.
But at the same time, SPS has been dominated by these responses for years and years. Is the tide turning and more are recognizing that more intervention and regulation is needed?
...I am not claiming you, DCD, have changed. Just quoting your comment since it's a good point and pivoting to comment in what SPS has commonly held as a collective view. Haven't seen that in this thread yet.
Just to expound on the point, in many countries the government puts price controls on medications so that limits their costs. Here there is virtually no regulation so the prices are almost limitless and sadly it’s on medications that can be potentially life saving or a necessity to have. One of my daughters has an anaphylaxis allergic reaction to stinging insects like bees and wasps so it necessary that we have epi pens. They’re nearly 600 dollars for two.

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The problem is that capitalism and health care don’t mix well. And I say that as an extremely economically conservative physician.

Unfortunately the other option is the federal government stepping in.

ETA: our SEC opener is in just over an hour, and this is the stuff for the top of the board. These are dark times.
Tradeoffs. How to create a system that benefits most people, including doctors who endure a brutal education and, in some specialties, long work hours and difficult conditions (God bless oncologists and oncology nurses)? France's healthcare system is good but I can't imagine many Americans wanting to go to med school and earn what French docs earn when you can make more don't something else.
 

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Well, if any of you guys with a high school degree need a job, you can work for an insurance company and sit in a cubicle and tell doctors what they can and can’t prescribe.
There have been a few times when my wife has had to take time away from seeing patients to talk to "Gregg" in Mumbai to explain why a procedure is necessary. She's licensed by the state "Gregg" isn't.