OT: United Healthcare CEO Killed

[horshack.sixpack]

This is going to turn into a crazy story.

UnitedHealthcare executive killed in Manhattan in targeted attack | Reuters

Wife says that he had gotten threats. Their healthcare system struggled, and in some cases failed, to be able to deliver necessary healthcare because of a cyber attack not too long ago. Could be anything from a disgruntled worker, to a family member of a patient that had a negative health outcome, to him being involved in something that put him at risk.

 

[johnson86-1]

This is going to turn into a crazy story.

UnitedHealthcare executive killed in Manhattan in targeted attack | Reuters

Wife says that he had gotten threats. Their healthcare system struggled, and in some cases failed, to be able to deliver necessary healthcare because of a cyber attack not too long ago. Could be anything from a disgruntled worker, to a family member of a patient that had a negative health outcome, to him being involved in something that put him at risk.

I believe it was somebody at the top of their insurance division, so probably more likely somebody that had a coverage issue than a negative health outcome. Or possibly just somebody that was troubled and looking to martyr themselves that marinates in anti-health insurance bubbles that claim insurance companies are what make health care expensive.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I believe it was somebody at the top of their insurance division, so probably more likely somebody that had a coverage issue than a negative health outcome. Or possibly just somebody that was troubled and looking to martyr themselves that marinates in anti-health insurance bubbles that claim insurance companies are what make health care expensive.

My only prediction is something crazy behind it, which isn't too far out on a limb when someone actually shoots another human...

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

***always assume it was the spouse of some chick he was 17'ing around with*** until proven wrong

 

[Shmuley]

This is going to turn into a crazy story.

UnitedHealthcare executive killed in Manhattan in targeted attack | Reuters

Wife says that he had gotten threats. Their healthcare system struggled, and in some cases failed, to be able to deliver necessary healthcare because of a cyber attack not too long ago. Could be anything from a disgruntled worker, to a family member of a patient that had a negative health outcome, to him being involved in something that put him at risk.

This one feels super "mobby."

 

[WilCoDawg]

I believe it was somebody at the top of their insurance division, so probably more likely somebody that had a coverage issue than a negative health outcome. Or possibly just somebody that was troubled and looking to martyr themselves that marinates in anti-health insurance bubbles that claim insurance companies are what make health care expensive.

You mean, because it’s a major player in that result? If you think they don’t play a part in rising costs, you haven’t ever dealt with insurance companies.
***I’m not advocating for government-controlled insurance by saying this***

 

[SteelCurtain74]

Here is the NBC News report on it. In it, the reporter mentioned that he had received other threats and it appeared to be about coverage

 

[dorndawg]

insurance companies are what make health care expensive.

They fall somewhere in between 0 and 100% of the problem

 

[mstateglfr]

Or possibly just somebody that was troubled and looking to martyr themselves that marinates in anti-health insurance bubbles that claim insurance companies are what make health care expensive.

Say more on this.

 

[RocketDawg]

This one feels super "mobby."

His gun had a silencer. I don't think those are all that readily available. Plus, he fired a shot, the gun jambed and he was cool enough to clear the jamb and fire again. He likely has experience.

 

[johnson86-1]

You mean, because it’s a major player in that result? If you think they don’t play a part in rising costs, you haven’t ever dealt with insurance companies.
***I’m not advocating for government-controlled insurance by saying this***

I mean, they're certainly not worried about pushing prices down overall (just compared to premiums received), but they don't really control the supply or demand for healthcare.

We put a stranglehold on supply and spend a ton of government money subsidizing demand. There's not a lot insurance companies can do move price compared to what government does.

Insurance companies margins range from something like 3 to 8 percent. 8 percent is probably higher than they should be, but that's kind of what you'd expect from Obamacare, which offset the minimum payout ratios with less competitive markets and subsidized premiums.

 

[Drebin]

They fall somewhere in between 0 and 100% of the problem

They're about 80% of the problem after the deductible is met**

 

[johnson86-1]

Say more on this.

I just mean that the wannabe Trump assassinators were probably losers and/or mentally ill individuals marinating in leftist bubbles of crazy that blamed everything on Trump and they thought killing Trump would be a way for them to actually accomplish something in their life, not unlike the *** hole that shot up members of a black church being a loser and/or mentally ill individual who marinated in racists online bubbles of crazy. I think for losers prone to that type of behavior, the "cause" is largely a matter of chance that depends on what they are exposed to. This killer could have had an individual beef with the insurance company, or he could have just been marinating in online bubbles of hatred takling about how terrible insurance companies are.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

His gun had a silencer. I don't think those are all that readily available. Plus, he fired a shot, the gun jambed and he was cool enough to clear the jamb and fire again. He likely has experience.

And he had to be aware that Thompson would be attending that meeting.
Not very random.

 

[msudawg12]

Jesus. Ive been there with my family for my daughter's birthday trip and just left yesterday. We stayed 4 blocks from there and passed that hotel no less than a dozen times on foot.

 

[Dawgbite]

His gun had a silencer. I don't think those are all that readily available. Plus, he fired a shot, the gun jambed and he was cool enough to clear the jamb and fire again. He likely has experience.

Actually suppressors are very easy to get. You have to fill out some paperwork and the ATF extorts some money out of you . It takes a couple of weeks to get approved for one. They should be readily available as a safety issue to prevent hearing damage but Hollywood has generated this idea that only assassins use suppressors. They are easy to build if you have a lathe.

 

[aTotal360]

Actually suppressors are very easy to get. You have to fill out some paperwork and the ATF extorts some money out of you . It takes a couple of weeks to get approved for one. They should be readily available as a safety issue to prevent hearing damage but Hollywood has generated this idea that only assassins use suppressors. They are easy to build if you have a lathe.

Yup. And when someone says “silencer” or “clip”, I stop listening.

 

[The Peeper]

Lots of camera and video of him, should give some good clues. He was in a Starbucks buying coffee just before it happened. He hopped on an electric bike or scooter so had to pay for it somehow.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Yup. And when someone says “silencer” or “clip”, I stop listening.

it's a magazine...

 

[GloryDawg]

Sounds and looks like a mob hit.

 

[Dawgbite]

Yup. And when someone says “silencer” or “clip”, I stop listening.

Silencer is strictly Hollywood. The term clip came from the M1 Garand and all the soldiers coming home from WW2. My dad always called a Magazine a Clip kinda like he called all sodas a Coke.

 

[aTotal360]

Silencer is strictly Hollywood. The term clip came from the M1 Garand and all the soldiers coming home from WW2. My dad always called a Magazine a Clip kinda like he called all sodas a Coke.

I’m well aware.

 

[PBRME]

They fall somewhere in between 0 and 100% of the problem

Sorry to the lawyers on the board, but our litigious society shares a lot of the blame.

 

[The Peeper]

Actually suppressors are very easy to get. You have to fill out some paperwork and the ATF extorts some money out of you . It takes a couple of weeks to get approved for one. They should be readily available as a safety issue to prevent hearing damage but Hollywood has generated this idea that only assassins use suppressors. They are easy to build if you have a lathe.

I've got a friend just bought one for his 8 year old son. The kid likes to shoot and started to deer hunt last year but doesn't like the sound of the rifle going off. He bought the rifle and applied for the suppressor at the same time. They told him it would be possibly 3 weeks to get it because there are a lot of applications to start deer season and Christmas coming up

 

[dorndawg]

Sorry to the lawyers on the board, but our litigious society shares a lot of the blame.

You're absolutely right and also we've purposefully designed a system in which litigiousness is oftentimes your only recourse. Sad, bad situation.

 

[Puppers]

I've got a friend just bought one for his 8 year old son. The kid likes to shoot and started to deer hunt last year but doesn't like the sound of the rifle going off. He bought the rifle and applied for the suppressor at the same time. They told him it would be possibly 3 weeks to get it because there are a lot of applications to start deer season and Christmas coming up

3 weeks is a great turnaround time when I got one a year and a half ago it took about 5 months. I'm glad they have sped up the process.

 

[Car Ramrod.sixpack]

His gun had a silencer. I don't think those are all that readily available. Plus, he fired a shot, the gun jambed and he was cool enough to clear the jamb and fire again. He likely has experience.

Suppressor are more common than people think mostly for riffles. You don't see them that often on pistols because you need a booster and piston system to keep the pistol from jamming.

 

[Car Ramrod.sixpack]

3 weeks is a great turnaround time when I got one a year and a half ago it took about 5 months. I'm glad they have sped up the process.

My first one pre-covid took 14 months for ATF approval. Now a days if you are already in the system, I've heard of next day approvals with the new electronic filing system.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Was he a State fan? Could be suicide*

 

[bulldoghair]

This company recently tricked my mom, who has lived in a nursing home for several years, over the phone, to switch from Medicaid Medicare to them. I’m power of attorney and never knew. It’s been incredibly a nightmare to opt out of them for her. I’m still dealing with it!!! When I read the headline my first thought was, well the tricked the wrong person. They are currently into some shady operations. What I’m dealing with trying to get out, and the manner in which it was done, never seen anything like it. Evil.

 

[aTotal360]

3 weeks is a great turnaround time when I got one a year and a half ago it took about 5 months. I'm glad they have sped up the process.

No one is getting them in 3 weeks. Even with the new eForms, the ATF can't/won't process it that fast. 5-10 months is typical.

 

[L4Dawg]

This is going to turn into a crazy story.

UnitedHealthcare executive killed in Manhattan in targeted attack | Reuters

Wife says that he had gotten threats. Their healthcare system struggled, and in some cases failed, to be able to deliver necessary healthcare because of a cyber attack not too long ago. Could be anything from a disgruntled worker, to a family member of a patient that had a negative health outcome, to him being involved in something that put him at risk.

The guy was also involved with an insider trading scam and was being sued by a pension fund. Now it was the LA firefighters fund but I bet there were others. Some of those have, shall we say, interesting connections. That looked rather like a mob hit.

 

[WilCoDawg]

I mean, they're certainly not worried about pushing prices down overall (just compared to premiums received), but they don't really control the supply or demand for healthcare.

We put a stranglehold on supply and spend a ton of government money subsidizing demand. There's not a lot insurance companies can do move price compared to what government does.

Insurance companies margins range from something like 3 to 8 percent. 8 percent is probably higher than they should be, but that's kind of what you'd expect from Obamacare, which offset the minimum payout ratios with less competitive markets and subsidized premiums.

While I don’t disagree, it’s their policies that hurt patients. Making patients jump through unnecessary hoops or not covering medically necessary drugs/procedures or practices that are actually cheaper AND BETTER in the long run. That is where they fail to actually benefit patients.

 

[Mud84]

Anyone watch the video yet? Obvious hit from someone that KNOWS guns. Most people wouldnt react so calmly and cleanly clean a jam on the very first shot. He never checked up. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. and never once stopped being calm.

that ladies and gentleman was a paid for hit.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

The guy was also involved with an insider trading scam and was being sued by a pension fund. Now it was the LA firefighters fund but I bet there were others. Some of those have, shall we say, interesting connections. That looked rather like a mob hit.

That’s interesting!

 

[Car Ramrod.sixpack]

No one is getting them in 3 weeks. Even with the new eForms, the ATF can't/won't process it that fast. 5-10 months is typical.

You need to hop on over to the NFA sub reddit. There have been several post about next day approvals. My boss bought his first suppressor through a trust with silencer shop back in November, once his paperwork was submitted (took about a week) he got his approval the following week. He had his suppressor in hand just over 2 weeks after purchase.

 

[Car Ramrod.sixpack]

Anyone watch the video yet? Obvious hit from someone that KNOWS guns. Most people wouldnt react so calmly and cleanly clean a jam on the very first shot. He never checked up. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. and never once stopped being calm.

that ladies and gentleman was a paid for hit.

No doubt not a professional, probably shoots on the regular but doesn't know how to properly configure a suppressor on a pistol. (See my previous post). A professional would know you need a booster and piston to keep a pistol from jamming. If you screw a regular suppressor on an aftermarket threaded barrel without a booster and piston it will jam 75% of the time, with sub sonic ammo it will jam 100%of the time.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Anyone watch the video yet? Obvious hit from someone that KNOWS guns. Most people wouldnt react so calmly and cleanly clean a jam on the very first shot. He never checked up. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. Fired - gun jammed - cleared. and never once stopped being calm.

that ladies and gentleman was a paid for hit.

I’d bet sub-sonic ammo in addition to suppressed, not jamming.

 

[Mud84]

You need to hop on over to the NFA sub reddit. There have been several post about next day approvals. My boss bought his first suppressor through a trust with silencer shop back in November, once his paperwork was submitted (took about a week) he got his approval the following week. He had his suppressor in hand just over 2 weeks after purchase.

WOW - they streamlined the process big time then. I own 6 suppressors. My shortest wait time was right at 9 months. All bought with a Trust through silencershop.