OT: United Healthcare CEO Killed
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Agree - 1st shot hit the CEO in the leg. Left 3 spent casings and 3 ejected live rounds on the sidewalk.
I have watched enough mob movies to know you walk up close behind the guy and shoot him in the head a couple of times with a 38 Special. Keep on walking and toss the gun off the bridge into the river on your drive out of NYC.
Not that insurers are particularly efficient, but that's mainly a function of the way the system is set up. If they don't have the hoops to jump through, you really wouldn't be able to afford health insurance. Very few providers give a lot of thought to the cost of treatment and whether it's worth it because in most cases, the patient isn't bearing the costs directly. If they try to be more economical, their reward is lower pay without really moving the needle on anything. Or maybe they actually get dinged for performance if they work for a hospital system or god forbid, a private equity group.
I will say that so much of it is a zero sum whackamole game between providers and insurers. Insurers are constantly putting in processes to try to reduce pay and providers are constantly having to figure out new ways to game the billing system, but with the added costs of additional admin people to manage the billing. I don't know how much of that to blame on insurance companies and how much on providers. The reality is that providers are a quasi cartel and they are going to get paid one way or the other, and it seems like a lot of our billing mess exists because of a refusal to recognize that fact. On the other hand, I don't know how insurance companies can stop playing. It's not like they can say, hey, why don't you 17 us with 4 inches instead of six, and we'll stop spending all this money trying to keep you limited to 3 inches. Providers would get paid more and administrative costs would be slashed, but you'd always have some providers push the envelope if not cross the line, and the deal couldn't last long.
You could maybe cut down on a lot of it if you have a much greater percentage of first party payment, but good luck with the politics of that.
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I am fairly confident of where the United Healthcare assassin escaped to. He escaped on an electric Citibike, according to police. I happen to continuously scrape Citibike data every minute, so I can see where individual bikes go. The only northbound Citibike to leave within 10 minutes of the shooting from any dock near the hotel went to Madison Ave & E 82nd St. Bike #421-6511 left the dock at 54 St & 6 Ave at 6:44 AM, and was docked at 6:52 AM at Madison Ave & 82nd St. This is the *only* bike that left within 10 minutes of the shooting and headed northbound.
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I am fairly confident of where the United Healthcare assassin escaped to. He escaped on an electric Citibike, according to police. I happen to continuously scrape Citibike data every minute, so I can see where individual bikes go. The only northbound Citibike to leave within 10 minutes of the shooting from any dock near the hotel went to Madison Ave & E 82nd St. Bike #421-6511 left the dock at 54 St & 6 Ave at 6:44 AM, and was docked at 6:52 AM at Madison Ave & 82nd St. This is the *only* bike that left within 10 minutes of the shooting and headed northbound.
It's Eminem! (sorry I don't mean to make light of this murder, but it just hit me)
Correct. M1's and most other military rifles back then used clips to quickly load rounds. Clips only hold the head of the case. Magazines encase the whole round. Most military guys I know say clip even though it's incorrect.
If only anyone else had already tried that, maybe so we could see what works and what doesn't...**
Also, you are absolutely correct that providers and administration should in no way be let off the hook when it comes to why costs are so preposterously high
This story is obviously fake news. It's illegal to purchase or own a suppressor in NY, so I don't believe this could have actually happened.
eh, silencers aren't hard to come by an a professional would have put a round(s) in the back of the head. This is likely an individual with a personal vendetta.
That’s news to me. I’ve got a few (that I’ve lost in a boating accident) and they all took a while.
regardless, they should be OTC.
Incriminating evidence on hillary
Not that you can necessarily judge by Switzerland since it’s full of Swiss people, but they pay a higher absolute amount per person person and much higher percentage of overall spending by first party payer and have lower costs even though it’s an otherwise expensive place.
My money is on the wife hiring someone. He was shot and killed on the street in NY. He's from Wisconsin I think. So whoever killed him knew he was going to be there at that time.
Shell casings found on the scene have deny, defend, and despose inscribed on them. A book that was written in 2010:
On top of this happening, you have Taylor Lorenz tweeting out the picture and info of the blue cross blue shield ceo. Crazy stuff
I actually found out about this not long after it happened right after my wife called me to tell me that the urgent care she always goes to does not accept UHC insurance, since that's what we have now with my new employer.. We used to have BCBS and never had any problems. She had to pay out of pocket for the visit, and I guess I'll be getting another big bill later for everything else. UGH.
Maybe that’s why he was a professional? Cognizant enough to not look like a professional.
The average person who shoots on a regular basis wouldn’t be that calm. It’s possible he self trained enough to be that calm but then that kind of makes him a professional.
doesn’t panic before during or after. Brings a change of clothes? Still hasn’t been found? Clearly thought out plan of attack and escape?
Maybes he’s not a professional but he’s not some guy who just goes to the range and shoots a lot.
oh yeah, believe it or not it just got much wilder. NYPD are now saying letters were carved into live rounds and shell casings found at the scene.NYPD says the letters spelled "Deny, Defend and Depose". Signing day schock is over, now this has my full attention.
I doubt it was a paid for hit job. Second rule of a paid hit is you kill the hitman immediately afterwards.
He was at a public shareholder meeting. A lot of people knew he was going to be there.
Given the nature of insurance coverage (lack thereof), this doesn't surprise me at all.
I worked at Humana years ago and they utilized a data model application I developed to determine whether they will cover medical expenses for cancer kids. !!!!
Insurance companies absolutely suck.
A lot of families have lost EVERYTHING due to the nature of insurance companies.
A lot of people are absolutely desperate....does not bode well for CEOs making hundreds of millions.
I worked at Humana years ago and they utilized a data model application I developed to determine whether they will cover medical expenses for cancer kids. !!!!
Insurance companies absolutely suck.
A lot of families have lost EVERYTHING due to the nature of insurance companies.
A lot of people are absolutely desperate....does not bode well for CEOs making hundreds of millions.
The bullet message is interesting.
Scenario 1) It really was someone who had an intense grudge over a denied claim.
Scenario 2) Some fat guys in a social club somewhere are toasting with Amaretto. They got their revenge on the guy who cost their pension funds some money. Meanwhile if you ever had a claim denied by United HealthCare the NYPD would like to talk to you.
Scenario 3) Replace the guys in the social
Club with his wife, a disgruntled employee, some of his buddies who were being probed by the Justice Department along with him.....on and on.
Scenario 1) It really was someone who had an intense grudge over a denied claim.
Scenario 2) Some fat guys in a social club somewhere are toasting with Amaretto. They got their revenge on the guy who cost their pension funds some money. Meanwhile if you ever had a claim denied by United HealthCare the NYPD would like to talk to you.
Scenario 3) Replace the guys in the social
Club with his wife, a disgruntled employee, some of his buddies who were being probed by the Justice Department along with him.....on and on.
The government basically sets the price of all healthcare. Look in to it.
How do you know he wasn't? That's a body they wouldn't want to be found.
My only surprise in all of this is that it didnt happen sooner. This was predicable. Health insurance companies are the scum of the earth, and only getting worse. You PO the wrong person, whose mama gets denied coverage by the insurance company and it dramatically affects her life? somebody is going to pay....and it appears that is what happened here IMO. I wasn't surprised this happened at all, however, my fear is that this may become a trend like school shootings.
It’s not just health insurance either. Homeowners insurance is an absolutely useless den of snakes. I wouldn’t piss in my local State Farm’s agents face even if his nose was on fire.
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I mean fast food drive in workers get shot at all the time for much less....
I actually really like my homeowners’ agent. A good homeowners agent is worth their weight in gold if you know how to talk to them and work through issues without being a prick.
The claims department, however, is another matter entirely.
My prediction is that it's going to take 5 years to solve this case and when they do it's going to be some guy in his 30s in a random Midwest town with a wife and kids gets his house raided by the FBI and when they interview his neighbors and friends they'll all say he was a really nice guy and had no idea he was capable of something like this. They'll also have the one friend who would go shooting with him who would say how he was always cool at the range and could hit a quarter at 50 yards with a 9mm pistol.
I believe he is under investigation for dumping his stock right before some bad news was going drop. He was in trouble. Probably more there. The NY PD will find out. Ironically if I was his life insurance company, I would investigate was this a suicide. Did he pay the guy to shot him? He usually has security with him because of his position. They were not there. How the hell did this guy know when and where he was going to be at 6:48 in the morning without his security? I am not wearing a Tin Hat just putting it out there. Also, why NY?
Way more to blame than they get credit for. They have a very strong lobby so they continue to reap BILLIONS in profits every year while covering less and increasing premiums!
That the exponential growth in health care administrators. Just my opinion though.
If somebody is going to know a target's schedule, lie in wait, have this level of accuracy and calmness when clearing jams, and clearly have an escape plan - I'm not sure there's much you can do about it beyond having a Secret Service-level of security.
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