OT: United Healthcare CEO Killed

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If somebody is going to know a target's schedule, lie in wait, have this level of accuracy and calmness when clearing jams, and clearly have an escape plan - I'm not sure there's much you can do about it beyond having a Secret Service-level of security.
In New York the eBike escape was the sensible choice. You aren't hopping into a car and going anywhere fast. And eBikes are ubiquitous. Once you are a block or two away, you are getting no scrutiny at all.
 
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If somebody is going to know a target's schedule, lie in wait, have this level of accuracy and calmness when clearing jams, and clearly have an escape plan - I'm not sure there's much you can do about it beyond having a Secret Service-level of security.
If someone wants you 86'd it's going to happen unless you plan on retreating to a bunker and have your food and water brought to you. It is interesting though about the markings on the shell casings which is going to make it easier to identify the person. So the methodology might have been sound but I think we now have dumb crook news. You don't put markings on anything that you use if your planning on remaining anonymous.
 
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If somebody is going to know a target's schedule, lie in wait, have this level of accuracy and calmness when clearing jams, and clearly have an escape plan - I'm not sure there's much you can do about it beyond having a Secret Service-level of security.
All I am saying he has a security detail, but they were not with him. The question is why? Yeah, they may not have been able to stop it, but they were not there. One way or another this guy was in trouble.
 
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If someone wants you 86'd it's going to happen unless you plan on retreating to a bunker and have your food and water brought to you. It is interesting though about the markings on the shell casings which is going to make it easier to identify the person. So the methodology might have been sound but I think we now have dumb crook news. You don't put markings on anything that you use if yourd on remaining anonymous.
PDNY will figure it out and I think we all will be shocked to what they find.
 

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In New York the eBike escape was the sensible choice. You aren't hopping into a car and going anywhere fast. And eBikes are ubiquitous. Once you are a block or two away, you are getting no scrutiny at all.
Last report I saw was was that no eBike was used, probably because they can be tracked.
 

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I wonder if witnesses will come forward. Defense attorneys get all contact information of anyone who talks to the police. In Nola, and elsewhere, there's been a few situations where family members of witnesses were threatened, witnesses killed etc. I could imagine keeping quiet if I saw something and one day someone walked by and said something like "if you want your daughter to graduate high school, you better keep quiet." Also had a case where a witnesses grandparents were killed.
 

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His gun had a silencer. I don't think those are all that readily available. Plus, he fired a shot, the gun jambed and he was cool enough to clear the jamb and fire again. He likely has experience.
Strangely enough I can walk into a store here in West Texas and pick one up legally. They advertise silencers on the radio here and they have them on their website. I was shocked.

 

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If someone wants you 86'd it's going to happen unless you plan on retreating to a bunker and have your food and water brought to you. It is interesting though about the markings on the shell casings which is going to make it easier to identify the person. So the methodology might have been sound but I think we now have dumb crook news. You don't put markings on anything that you use if yourd on remaining anonymous.
I don’t think it’s intentionally leaving etched casings by a dumb crook. I’m thinking diversionary tactics.
 

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I actually really like my homeowners’ agent. A good homeowners agent is worth their weight in gold if you know how to talk to them and work through issues without being a prick.

The claims department, however, is another matter entirely.
I liked my agent too, until I really needed him. He stood in my driveway and told me that he couldn’t help me and I needed to call State Farm Because my claim was larger than $10,000. I wasn’t the first prick in the conversation
 

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My prediction is that it's going to take 5 years to solve this case and when they do it's going to be some guy in his 30s in a random Midwest town with a wife and kids gets his house raided by the FBI and when they interview his neighbors and friends they'll all say he was a really nice guy and had no idea he was capable of something like this. They'll also have the one friend who would go shooting with him who would say how he was always cool at the range and could hit a quarter at 50 yards with a 9mm pistol.
Taken less than a day so far, here's the suspect unmasked. They found his cell phone, a bottle of water he bought at Starbucks that they are trying to use for DNA and are fingerprinting the spent shell casings. He's fvcked.....

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Stayed at Hostile the night before on the Upper Westside. “Delay” & “Deny” written on the bullets.

I’m trying not to be on ‘Team Assassin’ but it’s hard.
 

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Stayed at Hostile the night before on the Upper Westside. “Delay” & “Deny” written on the bullets.

I’m trying not to be on ‘Team Assassin’ but it’s hard.
Could still be someone who lost a family member and believes that some denied procedure/treatment is the reason. Insurance companies will definitely subrogate and pre-auth you to your wits end, even if you are otherwise stable. Take someone who is just a little bit "off" and has a big trauma due to the loss of a loved one...
 
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Help me understand the conspiracy claim.
By posting this tweet, are you furthering a claim that Pelosi hired an assassin to kill the CEO of UHC because she had invested in a network security company that was hired by UHC to help sort out UHC's network breach, and the UHC CEO could expose her?

...if that is what the conspiracy is, and you are furthering it by posting the tweet, then please connect the dots.
What did he know that would have exposed her? Its already known that she invested in the network security company and its already known that UHC used the company for technical assistance.
What was there to expose? Was the CEO in on it and Pelosi paid him to use PaloAlto Networks? Did she mastermind the network breach in the hopes that PaloAlto would be used?

I am guessing here because I cant figure out why he had to be silenced.
 

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They have on camera at a housing project somewhere in New York now.
 

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I liked my agent too, until I really needed him. He stood in my driveway and told me that he couldn’t help me and I needed to call State Farm Because my claim was larger than $10,000. I wasn’t the first prick in the conversation
Well, key words in my statement was a GOOD agent is valuable. This guy sounds like he sucks.

And out of curiosity, why was he in your driveway? Sure it wasn’t the adjustor?
 
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Not very happy with UHC and the medical profession in general. Wife was scheduled for a procedure yesterday. UHC wouldn’t cover almost 3k of it. Hospital made us pay up front. Wife misses whole day of work. I miss a half day. We are there for 5 hours for the dr to say the procedure isn’t necessary. You’re free to go home after the anesthesia wears off. Are we getting any of the upfront payment back? As of now, no.
 
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Stayed at Hostile the night before on the Upper Westside. “Delay” & “Deny” written on the bullets.

I’m trying not to be on ‘Team Assassin’ but it’s hard.
Really? That makes me lean more towards spoiled kid from a family affluent enough to give him all the advantages in life, including attending ann expensive liberal arts college, but not affluent enough for him to not work. Would have been at occupy Wall Street if he had been old enough.

An assassin wanting to frame a guy like that would do well to leave the bullets and stay at a hostel the night before. But staying at a hostel to implicate somebody doesn’t make sense because that’s too much information to identify him.

eta: or disgruntled family member. The familiarity with the operation of the gun would make me think he came from a right leaning family, which would make somebody mad about denial of care more likely, but that’s not my preferred narrative politically so I will discount it.
 
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Bobby Ricigliano

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Not very happy with UHC and the medical profession in general. Wife was scheduled for a procedure yesterday. UHC wouldn’t cover almost 3k of it. Hospital made us pay up front. Wife misses whole day of work. I miss a half day. We are there for 5 hours for the dr to say the procedure isn’t necessary. You’re free to go home after the anesthesia wears off. Are we getting any of the upfront payment back? As of now, no.
Are you not getting money back because you had to pay for the wasted anesthesia?
 

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eta: or disgruntled family member. The familiarity with the operation of the gun would make me think he came from a right leaning family, which would make somebody mad about denial of care more likely, but that’s not my preferred narrative politically so I will discount it.
Always worth remembering: If you go far enough left, you get back to guns.
 

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Well, key words in my statement was a GOOD agent is valuable. This guy sounds like he sucks.

And out of curiosity, why was he in your driveway? Sure it wasn’t the adjustor?
That's a company wide policy at State Farm. It's not his fault.
 

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No doubt not a professional, probably shoots on the regular but doesn't know how to properly configure a suppressor on a pistol. (See my previous post). A professional would know you need a booster and piston to keep a pistol from jamming. If you screw a regular suppressor on an aftermarket threaded barrel without a booster and piston it will jam 75% of the time, with sub sonic ammo it will jam 100%of the time.
This, plus... A low caliber subsonic round to the head only has enough power go through the human skull one time, then just bounce around messing things up in there. One more for insurance (pun intended) and it's over. If the shot to the back was intentional, it would only have served to cause pain and panic so death wouldn't be quick and painless. And yeah, I watch too many true crime documentaries.
 
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Given the nature of insurance coverage (lack thereof), this doesn't surprise me at all.
I worked at Humana years ago and they utilized a data model application I developed to determine whether they will cover medical expenses for cancer kids. !!!!
Insurance companies absolutely suck.
A lot of families have lost EVERYTHING due to the nature of insurance companies.
A lot of people are absolutely desperate....does not bode well for CEOs making hundreds of millions.
Totally believable
 

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It’s not just health insurance either. Homeowners insurance is an absolutely useless den of snakes. I wouldn’t piss in my local State Farm’s agents face even if his nose was on fire.
Your local agent really has nothing to do with whether a claim is covered or not
 

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Help me understand the conspiracy claim.
By posting this tweet, are you furthering a claim that Pelosi hired an assassin to kill the CEO of UHC because she had invested in a network security company that was hired by UHC to help sort out UHC's network breach, and the UHC CEO could expose her?

...if that is what the conspiracy is, and you are furthering it by posting the tweet, then please connect the dots.
What did he know that would have exposed her? Its already known that she invested in the network security company and its already known that UHC used the company for technical assistance.
What was there to expose? Was the CEO in on it and Pelosi paid him to use PaloAlto Networks? Did she mastermind the network breach in the hopes that PaloAlto would be used?

I am guessing here because I cant figure out why he had to be silenced.
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mstateglfr

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Save the day? I asked for you(or anyone) to explain a conspiracy theory that you furthered by linking it. That isnt saving the day.
The conspiracy doesnt make sense to me, so I asked for help. Clearly you cant actually explain the conspiracy that you pushed, so just say 'yeah I dont know' and leave it at that.
 

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Strangely enough I can walk into a store here in West Texas and pick one up legally. They advertise silencers on the radio here and they have them on their website. I was shocked.

You are correct Texas figured out a loophole in the NFA act. TLDR it is called the Texas Suppressor Freedom act where a suppressor manufactured in the state of Texas and dose not leave the state of Texas would not be subject to Federal Law. The act is walking in a gray area but yes in the state of Texas you can buy a suppressor off the self and walk out the door with out the requirement of an ATF tax stamp.
 
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