Coach Paris has already proven his value. Pay him now before Ohio State or Wisconsin takes him away.
Paid him now!
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100%. Dude is making $2.3M, dead last in the league. Time to pay up!!
If he gets us to the tourney, it will be hard to keep him, meaning we’ll have to pay up.
I would not jump the gun until we actually make something though.
I would not jump the gun until we actually make something though.
We only lock in mediocre coached to big long term deals.
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I don't know how this season will end. But if thus far is any indication on how the rest of the season will go, if Tanner lets Paris get away, I'd fire Tanner on the spot. Lamont looks like the real deal to me.
RT needs a lot of credit for LP. That kind of came out of nowhere and most had never heard of him, and everyone went into meltdown mode over it. But he found a good one!!
RT was able to keep Dawn. Might be crazy, but she might play a role in keeping him here too. They seem to have a really good rapport.
RT was able to keep Dawn. Might be crazy, but she might play a role in keeping him here too. They seem to have a really good rapport.
Difference between Lamont Paris and Shane Beamer: Lamont is a proven Head Coach who had prior Head Coaching success before coming to Carolina. Shane Beamer's claim to fame before coming to Carolina is that he is Frank's boy. HUGE difference.
Pretty funny that Paris is in the middle of his first good season here and hasn’t yet (yet) accomplished anything but we want to pay him more than Dawn who has won 2 titles.
I think it's great that we have two well spoken minority coaches in basketball. There may be others but I can't think of two top 25ish teams that have two minority coaches. I'm sure there are others.
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You have to pay the market. Market is obviously higher for mens basketball vs women. Simple as that. Can't compare the two salaries. That said, I'm not opposed to a bump for Staley to keep her in front of Paris.
I have no idea how much Dawn makes. She should be well paid and deserves to be. How much should our SUCCESSFUL Head Coaches make? I believe they should be in the upper half among the coaches in our league in their sport.
How many coaches would have been successful with South Carolina's roster last season? If you do not see progress being made then I do not know what will change your mind.
Elation is premature. Euphoria is inadvisable. There is reason for guarded optimism, though.
For 2023 Dawn was #1 in the country at $3.3M. That would be good enough for about 7th in the SEC for men. I think paying LP mid pack SEC money is fair. When you’re paying your men’s coach $2.3M you better move quickly when he starts having success.
I highly respect your input and you are full of wisdom, but I believe Coach Paris is not fools gold.
You'd better make sure it's not Fool's Gold or you might have a Roundball Muschamp on your hands.
I didn’t mind his salary, but the whole contract shouldn’t have been guaranteed. Same with LP. Same with Beamer. I’m good with Dawn being guaranteed. She’s earned that.
The difference in my opinion is Coach Paris roster was in shambles where as Coach Muschamp had something to work with.
The euphoria hazard still exists. I like the guy; I'm pulling for the guy. If the guy wins more than 20, you have to raise him, but two years ago he was coaching in the backwoods. You have to elevate him with a little discretion.
I'm inclined to agree with you, but I really don't want an AD that throws a new contract at a coach after one regular season game. It's OK for fans to have euphoria after a win like tonight's, but I hope the guys on the business end can keep their cool. I want Paris to get a raise commensurate with the achievement of this season. The only way to do that is to actually see how the season turns out.
I suspect that as long as we keep Dawn the highest paid women's basketball coach in the nation (and deservedly so), she will be happy. That does not mean we can't boost her pay some after paying Lamont.
I suspect she’ll get a bump after she wins another Nc this year.
You are correct, I am over the moon with the double digit two in a row victories against the two last opponents. I am really not basing my decision off of the tonight's result, but rather I see steady improvements of Coach Paris progress. Coach Paris and his staff has built a competitive team in less than two years and the important part is kids will come to Columbia to play for Coach Paris where as in the past it would be unlikely to get Collins Murray Boyles to come to South Carolina
That's a fair point. Of course, Muschamp previously failed as a Head Coach.
I believe any successful Head Coach at SC should be compensated in the upper half of SEC salaries. Should Paris after this season? Depends on how the season plays out. Then that question will be in Tanners hands. I'm sure he will be fair and smart.
And you might be proven right, but even Horn beat Kentucky his second year.
Yet, you don’t care if the women get beat by 500 points…because you don’t like women‘s basketball.
That’s dumb. Haven’t we learned not to do this. Even Darrin Horn won his first 2 against Kentucky
Right. We don't need to overreact like we did with Muschamp after his second year.
Mr knee jerk doesn't want to overreact? Funny.
Agreed. Let's allow someone else grab him at the end of the year. We have found it's quite easy to find a winning basketball coach.
Goodness, you don't read...or comprehend. I'm not sure which. Maybe both.
The OP said to pay him NOW. We would be fools to give him a new contract mid-season when we still have yet to actually accomplish anything. Are there signs of progress? Yes. But it would be the most Gamecock thing ever for us to rush out and give him a new contract after a big win over UK, then we go out and lose to a bad Missouri or some such thing.
I very clearly stated in post #3 we will have to pay up, just not mid-season.
As to knee-jerk reactions, yeah we all have them as fans, not least of all you. It's what fans do. All fans. That's why we're fan. We're not in control of a multi-million dollar enterprise. It doesn't cost anything for me or you to have a knee-jerk reaction. It costs an awful lot when the AD does.
You said we don't need to overreact like we did with Muschamp after his 2nd year. I don't have reading comprehension issues. You have diarrhea of the keyboard issues. We will need to make a move after his 2nd year if things don't turn south (like it or not).
So in your mind, there are 2 options: overreact or don't act all? That's it? There's no middle ground, like, say, a reasonable raise and extension commensurate with the progress of the team and results produced?
He's getting paid dead last in the league. He didn't finish dead last in 2023, and he's going to finish top half this year. I think waiting until the year is over is fine. Obviously he could tank and we lose every remaining game. I just don't see that happening.
Nor do I. Considering where the team was last year, I understand the emotional reaction to last night's win, but you obviously can't rush out and give him a new contract based on that alone. I'm sure he doesn't want that either. We could give him a modest raise now and then he might end up drastically exceeding expected results take us to the Final Four or something crazy.
It just makes sense for both parties to let the season play out. Lamont strikes me as a cool and confident operator. I'm sure he's fine betting on himself and the end-of-year results for a new contract.
I think you are spot on, 18. My last post last night, just above, was: "I'm sure he (Tanner) will be fair and smart". I believe Ray realizes, like most of us do, that we have very well may have lucked out in finding a basketball coach who can take this program to heights we have never known. And he is one year younger than Frank McGuire was when we hired him. Our basketball program could be in great hands for the next 20 years. At the same time, I'm sure that Tanner realizes he overreacted in what he gave Muschamp after his 2nd season here. And dare I say that Tanner may right now feel he may have overreacted in what he gave Shane Beamer after his 2nd season here. I believe Ray will try to hit the "sweet spot" or what you called the "middle ground".