Paid him now!
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Let's hope that RT learned his lesson from "failed extensions" and does this correctly.
To be clear, I'm not stating "no extensions." Just be more prudent with the extension terms.
Right. Pay him what he's worth, but don't overreact like we did with Muschamp.
Reality is, we are going to pay him. Obviously. He will get a healthy raise.
What we can't control is what Lamont wants...or his agent. Maybe he's a Kalen DeBoer type. Lamont may like us well enough, but his agent's job is to get him the most money possible. His agent doesn't care where it is. Without question, his agent realizes he's got a budding star on his hands and won't even bother with a deal until the season is done and he can hear from other suitors.
We all love Lamont and we have to hope he loves it here. Other teams will come calling and there's not a thing we can do to stop that. Just have to hope that Lamont is happy here.
What we can't control is what Lamont wants...or his agent. Maybe he's a Kalen DeBoer type. Lamont may like us well enough, but his agent's job is to get him the most money possible. His agent doesn't care where it is. Without question, his agent realizes he's got a budding star on his hands and won't even bother with a deal until the season is done and he can hear from other suitors.
We all love Lamont and we have to hope he loves it here. Other teams will come calling and there's not a thing we can do to stop that. Just have to hope that Lamont is happy here.
Lamont will get a boost in pay putting him into the top half of men basketball coaches in the SEC. Bank on that. Those of you concerned about putting us in a buyout situation we found ourselves with Muschamp and are now in with Beamer.... well don't. Tanner gambled on giving Muschamp and Beamer such nice raises. Muschamp was a proven loser as a Head Coach previously. Beamer has never won previously as a Head Coach. Paris succeeded as a Head Coach prior to coming to Carolina. Big difference between him and WM/SB. When the smoke clears, I believe Lamont will be a VERY happy Carolina men's basketball coach. Guys, we lucked out in the basketball hire. Jury is still out on Shane.
Let's hope Dawn uses her friendship with Lamont and shares some positive reasons to stay and be a happy winning coach at Carolina.
I love the story of when he was invited to interview. Didn’t wait on them to make arrangements to pick him up. Just packed a bag, jumped on his car and started driving. RT is a favorite punching bag, but it does seem coaches love working for him. Here is a LP comment about the interview:
“I knew I wanted it. If they offered, I was going to say yes, 100 percent,” Paris said. “When I got out there and I was with Ray and Chance, I’m big on people, the vibe was, ‘For sure, these are people I want to work with.’ It was what I needed at that point, from the emotional rollercoaster of what had happened in the tournament.”
I think Ray, Dawn and Beamer are big reasons he will stay. As I mentioned earlier, he'll get a nice raise, he's in very fertile recruiting territory and has very little pressure given our BB history over the last 20+ years.
I believe Dawn's success here shows Lamont that winning big in basketball here is VERY achievable. They have good chemistry between them. Hell, we were in the Final 4 not long ago. That alone is proof what the potential is in basketball here. Just pay him fairly (and we will) and then we will be on our way.
You are correct. Even a salary increase and extension does not guarantee that he stays. I am just excited that South Carolina has a coach that identify what he needs from the portal, goes and recruit kids like Murray Boyles and knows how to prepare against other teams. I do concede that I jump the gun and do not learn from previous hires.
I am sure we are all harboring thoughts to some degree that Paris could be THE guy.
I'm thinking Tanner finally bumbled his way into a honey spot.
Well, you know what they say about a blind squirrel and a nut.
Yes they will. Part of Tanner's job will be to hold on to Paris, especially if Paris becomes the first USC coach to take us to the NCAA Tourney in just 2 seasons at the helm. We have been waiting nearly 45 years for someone to fill the shoes of Frank McGuire. Tanner better not blow it.
If Paris has a Kalen Deboer mentality, it may be entirely out of Tanner's hands.
You can never know the character of another person. Deboer has been in 10 different jobs in his 26 year career. In contrast, Paris, in his last 3 jobs prior to coming to Carolina, spent 5, 7 and 5 years in them. Call me "crazy" but I suspect that as long as he is compensated fairly, Paris will retire here. How often does a Head Football or Head Basketball Coach leave here for better or even comparable jobs unless they were fired or pushed out? I cannot think of even one.
I did not suggest that Paris has a Deboer mentality. It’s possible he does. Also possible he does not. By that, all I mean is that he could use this job to springboard to a bigger job.
I understood that. I'm just saying that "job hopping" has not been something that he has done in recent years and, thus, does not appear to be in his DNA. And there's something about the University of South Carolina and its fan base that attracts coaches. I recall Paul Dietzel had the chance to go to the NFL but chose to stay at USC. And for whatever reasons, USC has, in the past, attracted some of the biggest names in college basketball at the time.... Frank McGuire, Bill Foster, Eddie Fogler and Dave Odom. Is it "possible" that Lamont would leave? Sure. But, there's a huge difference between "possible" and "probable". Good investors don't make choices based on "possibilities". They deal only in "probabilities".
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That's right, and smart people don't give them credit for it.
"Filling the shoes" of Frank McGuire has several dimensions, some of them related to style, personality, and culture. I think it's better to eschew that comparison.
Frank McGuire was one of a kind, for sure. A man (huge Gamecock fan) I worked for in the late 1970s and early 80s, told me that when we hired McGuire, the entire Gamecock fanbase went into shock. They couldn't believe we were able to attract such a giant of a coach. Though I can remember to back then and even further back, I admittingly was not keeping up with Gamecock athletics back then. I was more interested in getting girls to like me.
Wait a second! This time last yr the garnet necks (& uknow what I speak of), wanted to run him off.
That's understandable. It's a young man's pursuit.
It was quite a culture. Roche was the Underboss, Cremins was the Consigliere, Owens and Riker were the Soldiers, and Ribock was the Southern Enforcer. Buck Freeman was the Associate.
Basketball world is different from Football. While I doubt Muschamp was on anybody’s radar after his 9-3 season with us, you can bet big time programs will go after Paris. We better pay the man his worth if we want to keep him. The Wisconsin style ball he learned can be successful without a ton of talent. That being said, he seems to be doing well with attracting talented players. I say pay the man.
Hopefully Dawn will sell the positives of being a winning coach at Carolina to Lamont.
I believe Tanner will bump up his pay to be in the upper half of the SEC and Top 20 in the nation.
Frank was before my time. No doubt the greatest coach we’ve ever had. My dad would always reference Roche when teaching me proper jump shot form. Having said that, here’s to hoping LP takes us further than a sweet 16. I believe this team has that kind of potential.
Sweet 16 and better eventually; not sure about this year. Want to make the Big Dance first.
By the way, the excitement around SC football under Steve Spurrier was the closest to rival that of SC basketball under Frank McGuire. But even the Spurrier years were not close to the McGuire years. If Lamont Paris is indeed going to be the one to make SC nationally relevant again in basketball, I just hope we won't have to wait 50 years for SC football to be nationally relevant as we were under Spurrier,
Oh, Lord, man.
That would exclude a lot of us.
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Not close to McGuire? The best he did was sweet 16 3 years in a row. HBC had 3 straight top 10 finishes, one year #4, and 5 straight Clemp *** kickings. Frank did win the ACC once, HBC won the SEC East.
I can't say the HBC era was better, bc I didn't experience both. And if you're taking the ending of the HBC era into account, then I would agree. It's just hard for me to imagine that 4 year run wasn't close to the excitement of the McGuire years.
Cannot underestimate the major role ACC membership played,
Dabo, I can see why you responded as you did. I'm not talking about achievements. I'm talking about fan excitement. I cannot quantify it. You would have had to be there to feel it, which, based on what you previously wrote, you are a fairly young whipper snapper. I am as big a Steve Spurrier fan on here as anyone and have defended him when some on here have come down on him for the end of his time here. Maybe the reason I felt the fan excitement to be more intense was because McGuire gave us the first nationally relevant athletic program here, certainly the first in a major sport. Am I making more sense or expressing myself better? Back then, a Carolina basketball game was more than another "game" on the schedule, it was an "event".
We are definitely not getting any younger. Beamer better deliver.Oh, Lord, man.
Yes, I get it 100%. That's why I'm not just dismissing it all together. I've heard the stories about the buzz, heard my dad talking about it. Probably more relevant to hiring Holtz. I was in college at that time, and man, that was so much fun. You can't just look at the results...you just had to be there.
Here's what needs to be considered. The McGuire era was ABSOLUTELY our FIRST dose of national relevance in either of the top two sports, and it came in ACC basketball, which then had become the nation's most respected conference. It was the analogous to SEC football in recent times.
Not only that, the existing powers in the ACC resented our rise and the hatred became immense, palpable, visible. During that time, we were emboldened to build the Carolina Coliseum and it was a jewel. We were on the front page of Sports Illustrated and the Sporting News.
The McGuire era was unique because of where it fell in our athletic history. Because it was unprecedented for us, it meant something different and bigger than anything previous or subsequent to a certain generation. It therefore will always occupy a place all its own in the hearts and minds of those who remember.