Iowa rarely takes shots. They are taught to stand in front and club the head. Our Coaches will make the appropriate adjustments.
Penn State - Iowa 2023 dual thread
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That isn’t surprising. Iowa always looks like they are moving forward but that is how they stall. Brands figured that out a couple of years ago.
their ability to escape is superior to ours and their ability to ride is better than we are.
Agreed, Brands did nothing but block from neutral
I like Nomad's comments about Nelson Brand's antics at the end of the 174 match:
My view is that Carter should be capable of getting through that on a guy like Brands especially in a meet like this. Sure it doesn’t make a different at B1Gs or NCAAs, but tonight? That would have been big.
No stalling for Warner and the stalemate call with Dean still working him were two BAD ref decisions.
The answer is in the question….”Brands”
To clarify, the call when Dean was working Warner was PD, either way I thought it was a bad call.
Totally missed that. I’ll have to go check what went down. Didn’t seem like anything different from the first minute of the ride.
Warner got comfortable on his stomach and didn't do much, should've been atleast 1 more stall call.
Carter did not show he was the superior wrestler tonight. Brands is not an all American
Guys, BB and SVN were not wrestling chumps!
It wasn’t, everyone on the PSU side was really PO’d when he stopped it. I think If it keeps going Max gets the bow & arrow in and Warner’s crying for his momma again.
Not mad at all at BB. Woods is serious.
Max Murin is Iowa through and through. SVN had been wrestling up til now at a level that showed he could beat Iowa. Tonight he didn’t wrestle like that.
I thought Murin wrestled a good match. He deserved to win but man SVN didn’t look like himself.
I guess this is what it’s like being a Bama football fan. Beat Iowa (again) and kind of have a ho-hum feeling afterwards about the dual.
Surprised it wasn’t a bigger margin of victory for PSU, but Iowa got their pucks deep in the corner and let their muckers and grinders go to work. Did I see that Iowa didn’t register a single offensive point after the match at 149? Just scintillating stuff from the Hawkeyes, way to grow the excitement Brands.
Surprised it wasn’t a bigger margin of victory for PSU, but Iowa got their pucks deep in the corner and let their muckers and grinders go to work. Did I see that Iowa didn’t register a single offensive point after the match at 149? Just scintillating stuff from the Hawkeyes, way to grow the excitement Brands.
If I heard the announcers correctly, after the 197 bout with PSU leading by 6 pts, the statement was made that Iowa needed a pin from Cassioppi to win. They further stated that the tie-breakers would start with falls and because each team had one, the next tie-breaker would be total points and Iowa had more. I didn't remember Iowa having a fall.
Penn State wrestling tops Iowa: 3 takeaways from the Lions' win over the Hawkeyes
Penn State wrestling rolled late to beat the visiting No. 2 Iowa Hawkeyes at the Bryce Jordan Center. Here are out takeaways.
The one fall for Iowa would have been Cassioppi’s, if it happened.
If beau wrestled like beau at 141. Woods has a tendency to gas by the third and he just stalled with the lead. Beau will learn and wrestle him better at bigs.
so it's predicated on Cassioppi getting a win and doing so by a pin.
Here are the NCAA criteria for breaking a tie:
"a. Greater number of victories"
- they would have been tied 5-5 if Cassioppi won
"b. Combined total number of falls, forfeits, defaults and disqualifications."
- if Cassioppi had gotten a pin (the supposition), it would have been 1 fall a side (RBY for PSU, and Cassioppi for Iowa)
"c. Total match points scored only from decisions, major decisions and technical falls."
- Iowa: 5 (TF @ 125) + 3 (DEC @ 141) + 3 (DEC @ 149) + 3 (DEC @ 165) = 14
- PSU: 3 (DEC @ 157) + 3 (DEC @ 174) + 5 (TF @ 184) + 3 (DEC @ 197) = 14
"d. Total near fall points scored only from decisions, major decisions and technical falls. (Example: N-2 + N-2 + N-4 = Total of 8 near fall points scored for one team.)"
- Iowa: N-4 + N-4 + N-4 + N-4 = 16 (all from Spencer Lee)
- PSU: N-4 = 4 (from Aaron Brooks)
I thought they said that it was going to be decided on total match points (the 3rd criteria), but if my math above is correct, it would have been decided on total fall points (excluding pins), the 4th criteria.
I believe with criteria C, it's total match points scored by each wrestler, not team points.
Believe this is correct. The third criterion is the total of individual match points, neglecting the points scored in any bout won by pin.
125: Iowa 18, PSU 2
133: pin
141: Iowa 4, PSU 1
149: Iowa 4, PSU 1
157: Iowa 2, PSU 3
165: Iowa 2, PSU 1
174: Iowa 1, PSU 2
184: Iowa 7, PSU 22
197: Iowa 0, PSU 2
285: pin (hypothetical)
Total: Iowa 38, PSU 34
Take away 125, 133, 184 and that’s just a grinder for 50 minutes. Not a lot of excitement in that. But it was #1 vs. #2! The highlight of the night was definitely Vespa cradling Lee. That was unbelievable in the first 10 seconds. The rest of the match was like watching Woody vs. Bo matchups.
You absolutely nailed it. Iowa kids tied up the head, it appeared to be their strategy. Almost every Iowa kid did it.
The Brands teach their style and Cael allows his kids to use their style and makes it better. Iowa's strategy worked pretty well, they slowed the pace down.
SIAP - Why Vespa at 125 over Steen? Was Cael thinking he would be less likely to get pinned?
What happened to Assad @ 182 for Iown?
What happened to Assad @ 182 for Iown?
Yep. If I’m an elite wrestler no way in heck would I ever want to wrestle at Iowa. I love our style much better.
Think I will stay right here on this board. Made the mistake of going over to the Iowa board and it's nothing but PSU wrestlers are on steroids and PSU only won because of the homer ref calls. Yeesh.... Thank You everyone having great input about the actual match.
Their backups are in a tournament this weekend I believe. I poised the question though why not Rhoades @ 74 and bump Brands up to 84
In that scenario they would have had a fall if Cassioppi pinned Kerk. That’s the fall they were talking about. It was some serious dreamer mentality, but they’re announcers and they’re paid to create whatever drama they can to keep it interesting.
Well, Murin surprised me. I didn’t think he would beat SVN, but SVN had no offense. Outside of that, it went about as I expected. Facundo is right there with all the top guys. He will get better and be in line for a good finish in March.
Haines is for real and will make some noise at 157. Kid never looks overwhelmed or uncomfortable. Cael does a fantastic job of finding kids with this perspective.
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