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Nitt1300

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And why would you want to put a price on it? Mediocrity abounds. Let's just celebrate it. All that strive for excellence nonsense is perpetrated by those who've achieved it. Bunch of narcissists. The mediocre loathe the excellent and that is probably, at least in part, why the term narcissist is so overused. It's another way in which the mediocre dominate. They vilify excellence. To paraphrase Jim Morrison, "They've got the success, but we've got the numbers." Let's rock mediocrity! I kid. I kid.
Actually, mediocre narcissists seem to dominate.
 

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PSU is #4 among Big 10 institutions and #8 among all public universities.​

Apparently Neeli is getting it done:​

Penn State rises 10 places in 2024 QS World University Rankings​

Penn State ranks No. 83 globally and No. 24 in U.S., placing highly in new metrics — international research network, sustainability, and employment outcomes​

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Old Main on Penn State's University Park campus. Credit: Penn State. Creative Commons
JUNE 28, 2023

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. — Penn State ranked No. 83 in the world — a jump of 10 positions from No. 93 last year — in the recently released 2024 QS World University Rankings, placing the University in the top 6% worldwide among the 1,500 institutions ranked by QS. Penn State also placed, out of 199 ranked U.S. institutions, at No. 8 among public universities nationally and No. 4 among Big Ten institutions. Penn State rose to No. 24 among all U.S. universities, up from No. 26 last year.
The QS rankings are considered one of the three most respected international university ranking systems, along with the rankings compiled by Times Higher Education and the Academic Ranking of World Universities, according to Roger Brindley, vice provost for Penn State Global.
“At a time of increasing excellence in higher education around the world, notably in the emerging economies of Asia, it is increasingly difficult to maintain a well-earned global reputation. Given this context, it is highly unusual to see an institution already in the top 100 in the world rise 10 points in one year,” Brindley said. “It is a great credit to our faculty who teach our students to be the next generation of global leaders. It also is a testament to the faculty who not only conduct extraordinary research around the critical challenges we face in society today, but then carefully and diligently document that work so that we can accurately portray the remarkable and broad scholarship of Penn State.”
Penn State placed highly in new metrics added by QS for the 2024 rankings: international research network, sustainability, and employment outcomes. Other performance indicators that comprise the QS methodology include academic reputation, citations per faculty, employer reputation, faculty-student ratio, international faculty ratio, and international student ratio.
“Penn State’s positioning in this competitive ranking highlights the exceptional quality of our faculty, staff, students and alumni, and the work they are doing to advance the University’s mission and standing on a global stage,” said Justin Schwartz, Penn State executive vice president and provost. “It is gratifying to see Penn State recognized among so many outstanding global institutions. This ranking speaks to important focus areas for the University, including the employability of our graduates, the global reach of our research enterprise, our reputation for academic excellence, and our University-wide commitment to sustainability.”
The strength of the University’s international research network placed the institution at No. 36 in the world among those ranked by QS. Penn State has many strong international research initiatives, among them PlantVillage, which recently was awarded $4.96 million by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to combat crop loss in Africa; the USA – Colombia WEF Nexus, which recently partnered with Amazonon a project to promote water security in the Chingaza region of Colombia; and the LiMC2 center, which partners on research in living materials with the livMATs cluster at the University of Freiburg in Germany.
Penn State's efforts in sustainability placed it at No. 52 worldwide among those ranked by QS — continuing a trend of consistently high international rankings for the University in this area. Recently, Penn State’s sustainability efforts were recognized by Times Higher Education’s Impact Rankings, where the University ranked No. 3 in the U.S. and No. 40 worldwide, and last fall the QS sustainability rankings placed Penn State No. 38 in the world. The University’s commitment to sustainability is evident in its strategic plan, as well as in such initiatives as its Sustainability Institute and the Student Sustainability Advisory Council.
Penn State’s strong academic reputation, as measured by the annual QS Academic Reputation Survey, ranked No. 76 in the world. Earlier this year, QS recognized Penn State’s excellence in its 2023 World University Rankings by Subject — based partly on academic and employer reputation surveys —where Penn State ranked in the top 25 in eight subject areas and in the top 50 in 19 areas.
 
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The Great Experiment died a decade ago. NIL was just the final nail in the coffin.

But what we *can* do is stay true to the spirit of the Grand Experiment in our own lives, even though our Alma Mater no longer cares.
People need to forget about the concept of the student-athlete since it just doesn’t matter any more when it comes to football and basketball. These kids are now professionals and psu football is not much different than the Eagles and Steelers when you break it down. It’s likely only a matter of time before football players won’t even need to be students in order to play “college” football.

And if what I read on another board about a current psu football recruit is true, then it appears the psu coaching staff may not care all that much about academics either.
 

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People need to forget about the concept of the student-athlete since it just doesn’t matter any more when it comes to football and basketball. These kids are now professionals and psu football is not much different than the Eagles and Steelers when you break it down. It’s likely only a matter of time before football players won’t even need to be students in order to play “college” football.

And if what I read on another board about a current psu football recruit is true, then it appears the psu coaching staff may not care all that much about academics either.
But write them a big check for NIL if you are a "real fan":ROFLMAO:
 
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I'm a big believer in root cause analysis. The root cause of PSU's problems is that college is just way too expensive.

Forty years ago when I started my MBA program at PSU, my total tuition cost for all the terms I was at PSU was about $2,500. Today it is at least $60,000. In the same 40 years, CPI is up maybe 250%.

So why has the cost of tuition outpaced inflation by a factor of 10?

I've heard all the excuses: lack of state support, too many administrators, too many profs who don't teach, not enough research dollars, overbuilding, salaries, etc.

Until someone does a good analysis, we'll just get more of the same.
The root causes might be the government and the consumer.

The government makes it easy to get loans and students don't think much about how much it will cost to repay those loans down the road. They think more about the deluxe dining halls and recreational facilities.
 

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PSU is #4 among Big 10 institutions and #8 among all public universities.​

Apparently Neeli is getting it done:​

Penn State rises 10 places in 2024 QS World University Rankings​

Penn State ranks No. 83 globally and No. 24 in U.S., placing highly in new metrics — international research network, sustainability, and employment outcomes​

Picture of Old Main Clock Tower

Old Main on Penn State's University Park campus. Credit: Penn State. Creative Commons
JUNE 28, 2023

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. — Penn State ranked No. 83 in the world — a jump of 10 positions from No. 93 last year — in the recently released 2024 QS World University Rankings, placing the University in the top 6% worldwide among the 1,500 institutions ranked by QS. Penn State also placed, out of 199 ranked U.S. institutions, at No. 8 among public universities nationally and No. 4 among Big Ten institutions. Penn State rose to No. 24 among all U.S. universities, up from No. 26 last year.
The QS rankings are considered one of the three most respected international university ranking systems, along with the rankings compiled by Times Higher Education and the Academic Ranking of World Universities, according to Roger Brindley, vice provost for Penn State Global.
“At a time of increasing excellence in higher education around the world, notably in the emerging economies of Asia, it is increasingly difficult to maintain a well-earned global reputation. Given this context, it is highly unusual to see an institution already in the top 100 in the world rise 10 points in one year,” Brindley said. “It is a great credit to our faculty who teach our students to be the next generation of global leaders. It also is a testament to the faculty who not only conduct extraordinary research around the critical challenges we face in society today, but then carefully and diligently document that work so that we can accurately portray the remarkable and broad scholarship of Penn State.”
Penn State placed highly in new metrics added by QS for the 2024 rankings: international research network, sustainability, and employment outcomes. Other performance indicators that comprise the QS methodology include academic reputation, citations per faculty, employer reputation, faculty-student ratio, international faculty ratio, and international student ratio.
“Penn State’s positioning in this competitive ranking highlights the exceptional quality of our faculty, staff, students and alumni, and the work they are doing to advance the University’s mission and standing on a global stage,” said Justin Schwartz, Penn State executive vice president and provost. “It is gratifying to see Penn State recognized among so many outstanding global institutions. This ranking speaks to important focus areas for the University, including the employability of our graduates, the global reach of our research enterprise, our reputation for academic excellence, and our University-wide commitment to sustainability.”
The strength of the University’s international research network placed the institution at No. 36 in the world among those ranked by QS. Penn State has many strong international research initiatives, among them PlantVillage, which recently was awarded $4.96 million by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to combat crop loss in Africa; the USA – Colombia WEF Nexus, which recently partnered with Amazonon a project to promote water security in the Chingaza region of Colombia; and the LiMC2 center, which partners on research in living materials with the livMATs cluster at the University of Freiburg in Germany.
Penn State's efforts in sustainability placed it at No. 52 worldwide among those ranked by QS — continuing a trend of consistently high international rankings for the University in this area. Recently, Penn State’s sustainability efforts were recognized by Times Higher Education’s Impact Rankings, where the University ranked No. 3 in the U.S. and No. 40 worldwide, and last fall the QS sustainability rankings placed Penn State No. 38 in the world. The University’s commitment to sustainability is evident in its strategic plan, as well as in such initiatives as its Sustainability Institute and the Student Sustainability Advisory Council.
Penn State’s strong academic reputation, as measured by the annual QS Academic Reputation Survey, ranked No. 76 in the world. Earlier this year, QS recognized Penn State’s excellence in its 2023 World University Rankings by Subject — based partly on academic and employer reputation surveys —where Penn State ranked in the top 25 in eight subject areas and in the top 50 in 19 areas.
Research and sustainability shouldn't be the deciding factor for most students. The deciding factor should be employment outcomes relative to cost.
 
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Research and sustainability shouldn't be the deciding factor for most students. The deciding factor should be employment outcomes relative to cost.
There is much more to college than your simple algorithm. However, if employment outcome is a concern than choosing a major that has a high demand in the market is usually a good start.

I will say that when I was hiring new grads every candidate with PSU on their resume got an interview.
 

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There is much more to college than your simple algorithm. However, if employment outcome is a concern than choosing a major that has a high demand in the market is usually a good start.

I will say that when I was hiring new grads every candidate with PSU on their resume got an interview.
Yep, and if they worked on Thon they often got an offer.
 
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There is much more to college than your simple algorithm.
I'm all for research and sustainability but the reason kids go to college should be to learn marketable skills to prepare them for a career.

Seriously, it would be stupid to spend 6 figures to get a degree that doesn't lead to a good job then justify it by saying the school used LED lights and solar panels.
 
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PSU is #4 among Big 10 institutions and #8 among all public universities.​

Apparently Neeli is getting it done:​

Penn State rises 10 places in 2024 QS World University Rankings​

Penn State ranks No. 83 globally and No. 24 in U.S., placing highly in new metrics — international research network, sustainability, and employment outcomes​

Picture of Old Main Clock Tower

Old Main on Penn State's University Park campus. Credit: Penn State. Creative Commons
JUNE 28, 2023

UNIVERSITY PARK, Pa. — Penn State ranked No. 83 in the world — a jump of 10 positions from No. 93 last year — in the recently released 2024 QS World University Rankings, placing the University in the top 6% worldwide among the 1,500 institutions ranked by QS. Penn State also placed, out of 199 ranked U.S. institutions, at No. 8 among public universities nationally and No. 4 among Big Ten institutions. Penn State rose to No. 24 among all U.S. universities, up from No. 26 last year.
The QS rankings are considered one of the three most respected international university ranking systems, along with the rankings compiled by Times Higher Education and the Academic Ranking of World Universities, according to Roger Brindley, vice provost for Penn State Global.
“At a time of increasing excellence in higher education around the world, notably in the emerging economies of Asia, it is increasingly difficult to maintain a well-earned global reputation. Given this context, it is highly unusual to see an institution already in the top 100 in the world rise 10 points in one year,” Brindley said. “It is a great credit to our faculty who teach our students to be the next generation of global leaders. It also is a testament to the faculty who not only conduct extraordinary research around the critical challenges we face in society today, but then carefully and diligently document that work so that we can accurately portray the remarkable and broad scholarship of Penn State.”
Penn State placed highly in new metrics added by QS for the 2024 rankings: international research network, sustainability, and employment outcomes. Other performance indicators that comprise the QS methodology include academic reputation, citations per faculty, employer reputation, faculty-student ratio, international faculty ratio, and international student ratio.
“Penn State’s positioning in this competitive ranking highlights the exceptional quality of our faculty, staff, students and alumni, and the work they are doing to advance the University’s mission and standing on a global stage,” said Justin Schwartz, Penn State executive vice president and provost. “It is gratifying to see Penn State recognized among so many outstanding global institutions. This ranking speaks to important focus areas for the University, including the employability of our graduates, the global reach of our research enterprise, our reputation for academic excellence, and our University-wide commitment to sustainability.”
The strength of the University’s international research network placed the institution at No. 36 in the world among those ranked by QS. Penn State has many strong international research initiatives, among them PlantVillage, which recently was awarded $4.96 million by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to combat crop loss in Africa; the USA – Colombia WEF Nexus, which recently partnered with Amazonon a project to promote water security in the Chingaza region of Colombia; and the LiMC2 center, which partners on research in living materials with the livMATs cluster at the University of Freiburg in Germany.
Penn State's efforts in sustainability placed it at No. 52 worldwide among those ranked by QS — continuing a trend of consistently high international rankings for the University in this area. Recently, Penn State’s sustainability efforts were recognized by Times Higher Education’s Impact Rankings, where the University ranked No. 3 in the U.S. and No. 40 worldwide, and last fall the QS sustainability rankings placed Penn State No. 38 in the world. The University’s commitment to sustainability is evident in its strategic plan, as well as in such initiatives as its Sustainability Institute and the Student Sustainability Advisory Council.
Penn State’s strong academic reputation, as measured by the annual QS Academic Reputation Survey, ranked No. 76 in the world. Earlier this year, QS recognized Penn State’s excellence in its 2023 World University Rankings by Subject — based partly on academic and employer reputation surveys —where Penn State ranked in the top 25 in eight subject areas and in the top 50 in 19 areas.
QS rankings give high(est?) weight to reputation. Fewer than 10% of those surveyed respond. Substantial weight is given to faculty/student ratio. Seems to make sense superficially, but gives a distinct advantage to large research universities where many profs don't or seldom teach.
 
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There is much more to college than your simple algorithm. However, if employment outcome is a concern than choosing a major that has a high demand in the market is usually a good start.

I will say that when I was hiring new grads every candidate with PSU on their resume got an interview.
Agreed. The PSU network is real.

One of my responsibilities is running a cancer research lab. I typically get 50+ requests for summer intern positions, but I have only one position to offer. After I’ve selected a candidate, subsequent inquiries receive a respectful
sorry, no positions open.

But one year I received an email that began”Hello from a fellow Nittany Lion”. I interviewed her even though I had no positions, and she was outstanding. I was able to create a position for her, and she turned out to be one of the very most successful summer interns who have worked for us. She ended up with a first author paper in a journal named Blood, a highly respected hematology journal.

The huge PSU alumni network does have its benefits.
 

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APR has become meaningless in the era of an open Transfer Portal and the one-and-done athlete. If Penn State wants to achieve a proper balance between academics and athletics today, it will have to drop down to Division II.
 

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Georgetown's Center on Education and the Workforce (CEW) has taken a shot at developing ROI metrics for colleges and universities and rates 4,500 institutions.

 

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Georgetown's Center on Education and the Workforce (CEW) has taken a shot at developing ROI metrics for colleges and universities and rates 4,500 institutions.


NPV rankings are not a great indicator of educational quality. Schools heavily weighted in majors that lead to high paying jobs (e.g. engineering, business) will score much higher than those with a broader base of disciplines (like large state universities). But still interesting to compare schools with similar missions.
 

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The NCAA and the concept of "student-athlete" in big $$$ college sports has become meaningless in the era of an open Transfer Portal and the one-and-done athlete. If any university wants to achieve a proper balance between academics and athletics in big $$$ sports today, it will have to drop down to Division II.
FIFY.

But, yes.
 

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FIFY.

But, yes.
Yes, this huge boulder has steamrolled downhill since it was given its first push. How it will be stopped, or even slowed, is going to be an intriguing challenge.

I wonder if the time is soon coming where the big $$ sports colleges offer an "Athletics" major for those "student"-athletes who are not so academically inclined. Any athlete who wants a true academic experience is encouraged and supported to that end, along with their athletic career at the school. But others, who are interested in a career in athletics in some capacity or another (player, coach) are enrolled in an "Athletics" major with courses and practical experiences to that end. And that end would not result in a degree, but rather a professional certification if they carry it to its conclusion.

Just as a Business major may focus on Finance, e.g., an Athletics major would specialize in football, or basketball, or whatever their sport. Their time spent in meetings and working out on the practice field count toward that certification. There will be other offerings (classwork, lectures, etc.) as well, around leadership, communications, and even "internships" of a sort within the AD and Business office to see what the business end of things looks like. Maybe ideally, a school would shoot for a mix of 75%-25% academic majors vs. athletics majors on their scholarship rosters. The program would be offered only for scholarship athletes. Any non-athlete would need to go through the mainstream academic program leading to a degree in sports admin., for example.

This of course flies in the face of a University's mission. However, we are fast approaching this place where these athletes are fully recognized as de facto employees and in a separate category from the mainstream student altogether. There is and has been far too much money involved, and now greatly exasperated by NIL and xfers rules, for the status quo of the traditional "student-athlete" to be maintained. Let's call it what it is, and get some common sense around it. Who knows?... Working toward such a certification may even lessen the xfer rates.

This off-the-top idea is no doubt easily shot full of holes. But let's start thinking differently. Imo, we need to think way outside the box at this late stage of the college athletics chaos. The generous stipend instituted a few years ago isn't enough, apparently, and the idea of a valuable degree - or at least making great progress toward one - isn't enough either. Schools have decided they want to compete at the highest levels in these $$ sports and in others as well. Let's take away some of the artificial barriers to that end, whether tradition-based or legal-based. Change what needs to be changed.

(And give 'em 5 seasons to play 5 seasons!)
 
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Yes, this huge boulder has steamrolled downhill since it was given its first pushed. How it will be stopped, or even slowed, is going to be an intriguing challenge.

I wonder if the time is soon coming where the big $$ sports colleges offer an "Athletics" major for those "student"-athletes who are not so academically inclined. Any athlete who wants a true academic experience is encouraged and supported to that end, along with their athletic career at the school. But others, who are interested in a career in athletics in some capacity or another (player, coach) are enrolled in an "Athletics" major with courses and practical experiences to that end. And that end would not result in a degree, but rather a professional certification if they carry it to its conclusion.

Just as a Business major may focus on Finance, e.g., an Athletics major would specialize in football, or basketball, or whatever their sport. Their time spent in meetings and working out on the practice field count toward that certification. There will be other offerings (classwork, lectures, etc.) as well, around leadership, communications, and even "internships" of a sort within the AD and Business office to see what the business end of things looks like. Maybe ideally, a school would shoot for a mix of 75%-25% academic majors vs. athletics majors on their scholarship rosters. The program would be offered only for scholarship athletes. Any non-athlete would need to go through the mainstream academic program leading to a degree in sports admin., for example.

This of course flies in the face of a University's mission. However, we are fast approaching this place where these athletes are fully recognized as de facto employees and in a separate category from the mainstream student altogether. There is and has been far too much money involved, and now greatly exasperated by NIL and xfers rules, for the status quo of the traditional "student-athlete" to be maintained. Let's call it what it is, and get some common sense around it. Who knows?... Working toward such a certification may even lessen the xfer rates.

This off-the-top idea is no doubt easily shot full of holes. But let's start thinking differently. Imo, we need to think way outside the box at this late stage of the college athletics chaos. The generous stipend instituted a few years ago isn't enough, apparently, and the idea of a valuable degree - or at least making great progress toward one - isn't enough either. Schools have decided they want to compete at the highest levels in these $$ sports and in others as well. Let's take away some of the artificial barriers to that end, whether tradition-based or legal-based. Change what needs to be changed.

(And give 'em 5 seasons to play 5 seasons!)
Don't underestimate yourself. Your ideas aren't far off, particularly when pay-for-play becomes a reality. Proposed major could be expanded to include courses in personal financial management, business law/contracts, etc. Universities teach people how to become better farmers. See no reason why the same concept shouldn't apply to athletes.
 
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