Well maybe Lebby shouldn't have hired his friend who has never called a defense before. I don't understand why half this fanbase keeps giving Lebby a pass. He HIRED them
Remember, even Croom won 3 games….
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I don't fault Lebby for hiring him as much as I fault him for letting Hutzler continue to work for Alabama during the bowl game instead of getting over to MSU and recruit.
Good point because that put him behind the 8 ball getting portal talent. Anything worth having was gone already. It just really sux going from a 9 win season to being THE worst team in the SEC in 2 years. And that is not in doubt. Absolute worst. We are not good on either side of the ball.
No you’re laughing alone. No one else cares.
Proven? LOL, do you even realize how stupid you sound?
Or trying to coach two years after a guy who ran an offense that was so niche that nobody else runs it, and cared nothing about defensive recruiting.
You said it was set up to win. Anyone with even a small brain they never use knew we had zero chance at winning. I've never encountered, even on the internet, someone with less knowledge about sports than you.
As terrible as we are, the Croom years were the worst. He got lucky that he had a serviceable DC in Ellis Johnson, or it would’ve been ever worse than it was
Here are some facts, and I have a source. Lebby ain't getting fired. Heck I knew that without being told by a source. The odds of there being any major staff changes are extremely slim, but not exactly zero. The odds are we have the same staff next year unless they move on their own. We need to back them, until they are gone. Then you back the next ones. That's the only way to get out of this mess.
One of the first games my parents let me attend was against Marshall for homecoming where I saw Cheryl Prewitt. I was also there when we beat the hell out of Florida State a couple of years earlier. This is the worst Bulldog team I have witnessed in my lifetime. That’s huge. I don’t know the answer.
Yeah, it’s likely a problem that we can’t/wont move on from a coach. But what is a better use of funds right now, paying buyouts or NIL?
Are you proposing we go ahead and fire everyone?
At this point I mean yeah he gets another year. But I’d fire Salmon. And I’m not really sure why any big donor would commit NIL money to this shitshow, especially when basketball is good and baseball appears to be headed up.
If a group of big donors are ready to fund NIL in a big way but want a new coach, that to me is the only way a change is made. Even then, I think it’s only made if you essentially have an upgrade identified and basically hired.
I just don’t see how you find enough people willing to take on paying for another buyout.
Yeah. It's just not going to happen. Lebby is here next year for sure. Hutzler 90% sure. I think we're looking at a complete reboot of our football program 1 or 2 years from now. Until then, more of what we saw this year.
Arnett’s buyout was chump change.
And Lebby’s buyout is getting paid either way….pay $13.5 million now, or pay $4.5 million for 12 more shítty games in 2025 and then $9 million immediately after. No reason to delay the inevitable.
Most of our defenses were awful too under Croom. We were opportunistic, and had some really well timed takeaways but without those 2007 is another 3 win team. Our fans have a weird revisionist history about Croom
I’m in 100 percent wait and see mode right now, as should everyone else be. It’s been a horrid season, but the reality is Lebby took over a dumpster fire. He made a tremendous mistake by not getting a real DC and not getting talent on that side of the ball. He’s got to address that this off season if he wants to stay. Everyone and their momma knows this. If he doesn’t adjust and doesn’t improve the team next year… he gone
Although nobody may care, if we don't at least have a new DC next year I won't be renewing my season tickets.
He would have this year. SEC schedule is brutal this year even without Bama and LSU. Woodie McCorvey would still be trying to run the same 6 plays averaging about 10 points a game.
Would he though? Croom was not good, but he did slip up and win a few games he shouldn't have. Lost way more than a few he shouldn't have lost also. There wasn't one, not one, SEC game we were even close to winning. Our SEC losses have been by 17, 22, 10, 10, 33, 29, and 19. Most every one of those could've/shouldve been 20-25 or more, but the other team backed off. There has never been a State football season in my lifetime(52) as bad as this. Not Tech and 10, not Jackie's last two years, not any Croom year. None and it's not really debatable.
I never in my lifetime (56) thought I would ever be able to compare another MSU team to Tech and 10, yet here I am doing it. I can't think of anyone that Croom/McCorvey might have slipped up on with this year's schedule, but then again, we'll never know. With that said, I can't with a straight face argue with a single point you brought up other than it's debatable, but who really wins that debate, right?
I will say that this is worst Mississippi State defense by far I have ever seen. Worse than Harbison, worse than (oh my God I can't believe I'm saying this) Sirmon. Maybe the worst at tackling I've ever seen by ANY defense at ANY school. Right up there with Savannah State defense.
Well, he shaved his neck beard off, at least for a while. Would that be a step in the right direction?
Agree wholeheartedly on the defense. For the most part even when sucking State has always pretty much played hard nosed, tough physical defense. Sirmon's year is the only year close to this one, and it's not even close. If Lebby doesn't make changes on that side of the ball, then there is no chance for him here.I never in my lifetime (56) thought I would ever be able to compare another MSU team to Tech and 10, yet here I am doing it. I can't think of anyone that Croom/McCorvey might have slipped up on with this year's schedule, but then again, we'll never know. With that said, I can't with a straight face argue with a single point you brought up other than it's debatable, but who really wins that debate, right?
I will say that this is worst Mississippi State defense by far I have ever seen. Worse than Harbison, worse than (oh my God I can't believe I'm saying this) Sirmon. Maybe the worst at tackling I've ever seen by ANY defense at ANY school. Right up there with Savannah State defense.
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