For 2 reasons: 1. Lack of interest from Big 10 and SEC in further expansion and 2. Network shareholders are tapped out.
It seems everyone is just expansion weary.
It seems everyone is just expansion weary.
Report: Clemson and FSU may be stuck
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Hmmm, can't see link to article for some reason. Bleacher Report:
Report: SEC, Big Ten Don't Have 'Much Desire' to Add FSU, Clemson, Other ACC Schools
Yeah. I think it’s this article I linked in another thread from Dennis Dodd. For what it’s worth, Finebaum has said the same thing.
“Industry sources repeat that there is not much desire by either conference to add the likes Clemson, Florida State, etc. Not that the ACC's seemingly "ironclad" grant of rights agreement would allow such movement. That says loads about the reality of the market compared to how those schools view themselves.”
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“Industry sources repeat that there is not much desire by either conference to add the likes Clemson, Florida State, etc. Not that the ACC's seemingly "ironclad" grant of rights agreement would allow such movement. That says loads about the reality of the market compared to how those schools view themselves.”
Options dwindling as California, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State prepare to take financial hits
No matter how this round of realignment plays out, the remaining Pac-12 teams will be losing money
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There’s not one. There are people that write their opinions that assume the SEC is interested bc they think it makes logical sense.
Read it on IF in a post by Juice. Read it in a comment section but don't remember title of video.
So just 2 weeks ago all the experts told us FSU and Clemson were going to the B1G. August 15 comes and goes with no announcement, and now all of sudden there is reporting there is no interest.
Prime example of CYA.
Wait till the off season when news is slow, this will start up all over again.
Prime example of CYA.
Wait till the off season when news is slow, this will start up all over again.
What reputable experts were citing that as a legit scenario? Not trying to be a smartass. I just don't know of any legit national guys saying FSU/CU are going to the B1G or SEC. But I could be wrong. Guys like Dodd and McMurphy have been saying the whole time that there isn't any real interest, and even if there were they viewed the GOR as restrictive.
There are so many conflicting reports from people "in the know" that I think we can safely say that nobody actually knows what will happen.
I'm sure it's an evolving situation, like most of the realignment stuff. FWIW, I don't think all the experts believe the Big 10 rumor. It was just that...a rumor started by someone at Barstool Sports. Half of the rumor turned out to be true, though as Oregon and Washington did indeed jump to the Big 10. I'm not sure of any true experts that reported on it. Maybe there were some. It's the problem with the internet. Someone posts a rumor on Twitter, some fan-publication writes an article based on the Twitter post and then it takes off, even though no legit sources are citing it.
Who knows how things will change since, as noted above, it's evolving? The landscape could change further. The question, though, is: What motivation is there for either conference to add Clemson or FSU. The Big 10 has major hurdles, not the least of which are academics (neither school is a fit) and logistics (They already have major logistical challenges. Do they want to exacerbate that by putting FSU and Oregon in the same conference? Not likely.) From the SEC's perspective, what's the motivation? Neither addition would open a new market. ESPN already owns media rights, so what's their motivation to have the schools in the SEC and pay them more for what they are already getting at a lower rate?
The Big 10 was more or less pressed into adding Oregon and Washington, even though neither adds much revenue-wise (which is why the Big 10 is getting them at 50% bargain), because they needed a couple more west coast school to ease the travel burden for SoCal and UCLA. Adding FSU and Clemson would be going the other direction.
On paper, it's just hard to see where there's much upside for either conference adding the 2 programs. Media-wise, there doesn't seem to be much upside either.
Doesn't mean it's not going to eventually happen. But at the moment, it's hard to see why it would happen.
And then there's that little thing that Clemson has no desire from a football standpoint to have any competition. They prefer playing nobody and having a good chance of making the playoffs, especially after expansion
This article was written in 2011. Take it for what it is worth.
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FSU and Clemson Have No Shot at the SEC
This morrning ESPN's Doug Gottlieb reported that Texas A&M to the SEC was official and that Florida State, Clemson, and Missouri were likely to be three additional members of t
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Not that they are a major player, but the Big 12 commish has said they are now "closed for business." While Sankey hasn't been that firm it seems to be his general sentiment. There aren't many/any other expansion moves that make much sense for the Big 10. Not that I think realignment is done. It will evolve. But for now, there just aren't many other obvious moves to make for anyone.
I really can't blame Clemson for that. They are an SEC caliber football team in a weak sister conference where they may have one competitive game a year and a conference championship almost guarantees them a playoff spot. I'd take that.
It's old, the landscape has changed, and there's a new commish. Having said that, assuming there is a pact, it's done nothing but strengthen given the amount of $$ that has been thrown around sin 2011. Sankey's style seems similar to Slive in that he's not going to push anything too hard just b/c he can.This article was written in 2011. Take it for what it is worth.
FSU and Clemson Have No Shot at the SEC
This morrning ESPN's Doug Gottlieb reported that Texas A&M to the SEC was official and that Florida State, Clemson, and Missouri were likely to be three additional members of t
This was from Forbes magazine, now one of course could argue if they are truly "experts", (that is another discussion) but I only present this to show, that there were many who were citing of an eminent move just 9 days ago.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/terenc...-florida-state-will-bolt-acc/?sh=3d256b621f13
He actually said. “Right now we’re done,” Yormark said when asked about the possibility of expanding further. “We had a vision. We had a strategy and effectively we’ve been able to execute it."
What "Right now" actually means I have no idea.
Eh, just an opinion piece. He says "I deliver my thoughts on all things sports." I don't think this qualifies as "many".
That's just one guy on the internet saying what he thinks is going to happen. Dodd is at least citing "industry sources."
Man, that's a terrible article. Basically all this guy said we "The ACC isn't going to make as much as the SEC/B1G, therefore, Clemson and FSU are leaving". It ignores any actual circumstances surrounding the situation. That's the equivalent of some rando on Youtube.
If they're stuck now, they're stuck in 1-2 years. There isn't a short term solution to the debacle THEY'VE GOTTEN THEMSELVES INTO.
I won't be surprised if/when it ever happens. Nothing surprises me anymore. At the moment, though, there's no logical spot for them. The Big 10 doesn't make any sense at all and their recent additions of Oregon and Washington drastically decrease the odds off them going after Clemson or FSU. The SEC makes geographic sense, but that's it.
True. Hard to tell. I did read that the UGA president said they're good with 16 teams. There seems to be a great deal of alignment inside the SEC. What a shiteshow the ACC is.
Big 10 commish also said he was reluctant to expand past 18 teams. Sankey has been fairly consistent in saying 16 is a good number for us as he wants to avoid additional scheduling issues that comes with further expansion. Big 12 commish says they are good where they are.
No, of course, no commissioner is ever going to say "we are absolutely never going to add anymore teams." Rarely does anyone deal in absolutes in this sport. That's just not the way it works.
However, what's apparent is that nobody is terribly eager to add Clemson or FSU. Obviously, if the ACC eventually falls apart, someone will add them, but none of the conferences is being pro-active about picking them up, which is telling.
That was my way of saying that I don't think they are as stuck as some hope.
In a year or two, I believe they get an invite, there will be a flurry of activity over several schools, moves and counter moves by the two main conferences, and then we'll all sit back and say "yeah, it was bound to happen sooner or later".
Absolutely. If the ACC pulls a P12 it will be a feeding frenzy, and they'll figure out the logistics later. I still don't think those two will end up in the SEC. I would think the SEC would target NC/VA for the additional exposure of the SECN.
Supposedly the Big 10 was dissuaded from further pursuing Clemson or FSU b/c of the GOR. They apparently viewed it as too much of an obstacle to bother investing time/money into pursuing them.
OK. So you're betting that they find a way out of the GOR. I'm still holding firm on 2030. B12 contract is up, ACC contract nearing completion. Gives SEC/B1G/B12/P12 (whatever is left) some breathing time to let some dust settle. Makes sense to me.
It's like the old joke about the young bull and old bull on the hill. Young bull says "lets run down there and get a calf!" Old bull says "lets walk down and get them all."
There is zero reason to invest significant capital into finding a legal way to get any ACC team out of that GOR when you can just wait and get them later.
Yeah, and admittedly part of it stems from the Clemson source I discussed. They seem to think the GOR is not a roadblock, and the next step is an invitation.
But everyone is an expert on the internet.
haha. That's true. We're all lawyers, TV execs, and conference commissioners now. The schools are trying to create a narrative to help them negotiate more $. Some of that could be semantics. Technically it's not a roadblock as long as the inviting conference is OK with funding their exit.
I guess the question is: what's going to change in a year or 2 or 3? If nobody is inviting Clemson or FSU now, what would change in a few years to make them more attractive?
Not being an expert, I'd say not inviting them now could be a product of not wanting to group it with recent expansions. (Too much, too soon)
Maybe it is waiting on ND.
Maybe it all in the hands of Fox, and how much they want to push into the southeast.
I think, and I don't mean it to be offensive, but I think the idea that nothing will change in next few years is at least in part wishful thinking.
I'm certain things will change. No doubt about that. The landscape in 10 years will look very different from what it is now. But as I sit here right now, I don't see a justification for why they will change. All the recent additions had justifications for what they added to their respective new conference. I don't see what specific value Clemson or FSU have to the Big 10 or SEC.
It seems some misinterpreted the OP title and post. To be currently stuck is not to imply that they are permanently stuck.
Exactly, and that is my point. We were all hearing the same thing, and now we are all hearing something different.
Again, this is the point I was making. That there was a lot of talk from multiple sources and now we are hearing the exact opposite to what was being discussed less than 10 days ago.
I guess it depends on where you've been getting your info. I've only been relying on established sports media guys that reference sources when they speak on it. Nothing has changed in regards to that info. If you're only getting info from guys like this, giving their uninformed opinion, then I can see how you would think that. But in reality, nothing has changed in the last 10 days.