So no discussion about Fitzgerald?
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Has the best job in college football. Forgot he was even their coach.
Not necessarily, though a couple of more 3-9s strung together might get folks in Evanston restive. Expectations at places like Northwestern are different than most schools.
That's true but they put an awful lot of money into their football facility so I figured they were expecting better results.
Let's just say their expectations aren't what those of other schools would be given the "investment."That's true but they put an awful lot of money into their football facility so I figured they were expecting better results.
Gotcha, but be competitive and avoid off-field incidents.
-- said by someone who lives 6.2 miles from Duke.
And here I thought we were going to have a scholarly discussion about the mysterious sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
The moral of The Great Gatsby continues to resonate today.
Good. Then Penn State can hire him to replace Franklin. Fitzgerald had been on our short list for years.
And, please take this opportunity to remember that Penn State has a culture problem.
I was expecting "I am sure it was a misunderstanding" from youGood. Then Penn State can hire him to replace Franklin. Fitzgerald had been on our short list for years.
And, please take this opportunity to remember that Penn State has a culture problem.
I do applaud Fitzgerald for staying at nw his whole career. He has it made and isn’t jumping jobs and is true to his alma mater.
“I love Edmund Fitzgerald’s voice.”
It was rammed by the Cat Stevens!
What was going on at Camp Kenosha? Waterboarding for wrong answers on the Jeopardy board game? I thought these kids were MENSA? 
Did I miss something or did they just say hazing 27 times in the article. What did they do. How did they do it. Who did it. Why did they do it. Journalism is dead
27 paddles for not knowing the most famous cheese in Wisonsin.
What was going on at Camp Kenosha? Waterboarding for wrong answers on the Jeopardy board game? I thought these kids were MENSA?
From the article:
“While the investigation did not uncover evidence pointing to specific misconduct by any individual football player or coach…”
How hard did they look? Or did they intentionally conduct the “investigation” in such a way that they would not identify individuals?
Obviously the ncaa will have to step in to get to the bottom of this.
So, Fitz pulls down $6 million per year - give or take, maybe more - but he won't get paid while he hangs at his beach house for two weeks.
Pat's agent - some may remember - used the tried and true "He's gonna' go to the NFL" nonsense to get Pat a sweet long-term deal (even though there hasn't been a successful College to NFL guy in around 15 years - Pete Carroll and Jimmie H? Am I forgetting one?). Since then, Northwestern has gone 4-20 (2-16 in the Big Ten)
Pat's agent - some may remember - used the tried and true "He's gonna' go to the NFL" nonsense to get Pat a sweet long-term deal (even though there hasn't been a successful College to NFL guy in around 15 years - Pete Carroll and Jimmie H? Am I forgetting one?). Since then, Northwestern has gone 4-20 (2-16 in the Big Ten)
So you really have a problem with how much coaches get paid and how they go about getting it but you still won't answer if you watch said coaches at Beaver Stadium from a warm/cool suite with free food and beverages?
Is there a problem with this? Give me a nice comfortable box with free food and booze and I'd go watch a$$hole Nardouche coach.So you really have a problem with how much coaches get paid and how they go about getting it but you still won't answer if you watch said coaches at Beaver Stadium from a warm/cool suite with free food and beverages?
The irony is him saying on the old board that he doesn't bother to go to games anymore. Then he's gets the opportunity to sit in a suite for free with all the free amenities and he votes against stadium upgrades.
Not going to get into his attendance history.
As for his voting "against stadium upgrades" there has only been one vote thus far, for the $70mm for winterizing, plans, permits, etc. As he explained it, he wanted to see what alternatives had been evaluated and was presented with none. Under the circumstances, his vote was understandable, and probably warranted.
At least half here are numbskulls.. but football savants
We deserve betterAt least half here are numbskulls.. but football savants
I'm not going to debate anymore and as always I respect your stance, but with him past is prologue. When he comes up with a plan to fix any problems, including the stadium, let me know. Criticizing and voting no is lazy.
Edit: I appreciate the research he puts in on other comparable projects, but he never puts forth alternative ideas.
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I doubt if anyone - not even the folks at Northwestern - care a bit what Fitzgerald gets paid. I surely don't. Maybe you do - but IDK/IDC.So you really have a problem with how much coaches get paid and how they go about getting it but you still won't answer if you watch said coaches at Beaver Stadium from a warm/cool suite with free food and beverages?
What I was pointing out was that - given what he is paid - I doubt that not being compensated while he takes a two week siesta/suspension is unlikely to have any meaningful impact to Pat F.
It is not Barry's responsibility to develop a plan for the stadium, nor is it that of any other Board member. His responsibility is to insure that the administration has evaluated every option for its renovation or replacement and has selected the most fiscally responsible path. Hard to justify voting to allow the nimrods to spend money when there is no evidence that they've done the basics. There is a reason why PSU is running nine-figure operating deficits (and why your daughter's tuition is as high as it is).
But do we need more "studies" for tens of millions each time? I think PK said 12 were already completed. I'm the first to admit I'm not a season ticket holder and don't donate anymore, but there was a survey sent out to season ticket holders and apparently they think change is justified.
As for projects such as the dorm renovations, let him spend a year sleeping in Pollack Army Barracks and see what he can come up with as far as finding cheaper contractors. It's easy to talk about fiscal responsibility when you're sleeping in a king bed off campus with toilets that flush.
Very true. FWIW, I certainly don't expect other Trustees to take on those responsibilities (in most cases, that would be counter-productive, I would think).
I do expect to see evidence of some level of comparative analysis, even a rudimentary one, before taking on a cost of the better part of $1 Billion (or even one tenth of that) when there are, at least, several viable solutions to the issues at hand. And, quite frankly, we certainly have, or should have, more than enough "in house" competency to do a rather robust job, not just a rudimentary one. The last thing we need, IMO, is to burn another wheelbarrow full of money on some third party consultation - without having done our part up front, to provide a prudent direction.
How anyone could support such an expenditure - without that - is incomprehensible to me. Lacking that, I will do the best I can to reckon, at least to some basic level, on my own (though I know many folks may not even know where to begin - at least I am fortunate enough to have some level of ability in those areas). Certainly, I would never find it fiduciarily responsible to support actions that I know are imprudent at best, and quite possibly inefficacious.
No one said anything about conducting additional studies. If the work was done and comprehensive, the options should have been presnted to the Board. But they weren't. There wasn't even a projected return on selected option presented.
Same holds true with replacing dorms. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that a building is at the end of its useful life. But reaching that conclusion doesn't give someone license not do their job, to not consider alternatives, come up with competitive bids, or explain why your construction costs are considerably higher than those of similar projects. If you don't demand that level of accountability, then dispense with the BoT entirely and save a few bucks.
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