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Amazon data centers in MadCo will be 40% of all power delivered by Entergy once they come online.
One thing Meridian has that I wish the Golden Triangle had is an interstate. Meridian is still a step down though.
That’s the story of MS. Resources spread out, no consolidation. Consolidation ensures resources build on themselves.
Basically, MS is content being rural. Which doesn’t add up to growth.
Construction jobs, yes. But not many permanent jobs. They also use a lot of power.
It was a pretty nice place at one time. Pretty bad now from what I hear - haven't been there in several years. I grew up there, and schools were fine.
Who's going to work there? The simple answer is to cut entitlements, but lazy people will resort to crime before a hard days work.
I doubt we could stack all the data centers on top of each other because of the power issues. Would be nice if we could have scattered them around the golden triangle. I guess all TVA territory, so maybe that’s still not spread out enough. Maybe the next one to be announced in Mississippi power company’s territory will be outside of laurel. Get one outside of Hattiesburg next and you’re starting to at least develop a cluster.
It won’t help because prices will go so high demand will tank. Tariffs are essentially a sales tax paid by the consumer.
you realize you're paying for tariffs right now, don't you? the tariffs China and other countries put on goods exported from their country to the US. The US tariffs are a negotiating tool. Nothing more, nothing less.
Agree mostly. He's just trolling and setting a false anchor. It's already working in certain areas. Don't think anyone is willing to call his bluff so they'll move and he'll move.
All that sounds great, but let’s face it. Mississippi is America’s Jackson. It’s done. Wrap it. We aren’t ever becoming some economic Mecca. No one is moving here, and Mississippians aren’t changing.
^^^^ this guy knows how all this works. Giving the gub'mint mo' money usually doesn't equal better outcomes and certainly not better schools. Good parents make good schools, not more money.
On top of all that, the estimates are likely widely exaggerated.
I'm sure we'll build another beef plant or other crazy project with the tax revenue.
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The consultants who do those studies aren't idiots. They know their job is to get the damn project approved. That's how you generate repeat business.
I've ranted about this for years. We put attractions in the worst places possible. We have a sports HOF, children's museum and natural science museum close to each other in a convenient, safe area. We build two more museums, where do we put them? Miles away, not near any restaurants or other attractions. Why not put them on Lakeland Drive near the other attractions so one can walk from one to the other? That's the way it's done everywhere else, put attractions within walking distance of each other. We have a great military museum, where is it? Inside the gate on Camp Shelby. I'm sure the state owns, or could buy, some land on Hwy 49 so folks could see it and not be wary of pulling up to the gate of a military installation. Grammy museum? Let's put it in Cleveland where no one will go to it.
Yes, and that is part of why inflation is still with us. By the way Trump says they are a great revenue tool. He ain’t no Conservative. He is a big government liberal, and always has been.
If there’s anything I’m confident our leadership in MS can do it’s develop a cluster
Not sure about this one, but I think the Amazon ones going up in Madison County will have 35-40 permanent employees per building. I think there will be 6-10 buildings per site.
Saw a post recently:
Say a couple has $75,000 in taxable income. Eliminating state income tax will save that couple approximately $250/month. The same couple would have to spend $3,000/month on groceries to see the same savings from eliminating tax on groceries.
Incorrect. Amazon is building on 2 locations. Each location will have 6-10 data center buildings once built out.
Is my math correct that a $10 billion project is creating at most 800 direct jobs?
Me thinks you'll see something related to this in the headlines in the next few months....
My city is a large suburb that borders the metro's city and other suburbs, but also borders ag land. It is one of the larger suburbs and has a high standard of living/amenities.
Over the last 10 years, my city has seen 6 data centers built on the outskirts. And in 2025, another will by built.
There is one that is for OpenAI ChatGPT, a Microsoft Azure one, Microsoft has two others, Apple AI has one, a smaller private company opened one, and the upcoming one in 2025 will also be Microsoft. The Microsoft Azure facility is one of the largest in the world apparently.
What I see as a citizen-
- Construction jobs are a constant. Right after one goes up, another one is about to break ground(between my city and two others in the metro with similar setups). Those are obviously real jobs and real economic benefit.
- The tax agreements that were struck to get these data centers are incredibly sweet for the companies. 60% land tax exemption for 20 years, tax reductions on water and electricity, sales tax refunds, etc- these are still terms that are given out right now.
- The number of new full time high education/talent/pay employees the data centers require is not significant and not felt within the metro(this is per multiple Networking companies with local presence).
- The infrastructure development has been wild. Gravel access roads have turned into 6 lane wide paved roads that see a handful of vehicles an hour. Very much the Field of Dreams approach because the outskirts will be filled in with development over the next 20 years, but its a lot of road building and maintenance now that is required as part of the Data Center agreements.
- A study from a couple years ago showed that over 6% of the city's water was being used by the 4(at the time) data centers during summer months.
At the time of the water study, this city had like 70,000 residents and very well established retail and commercial business. Yet over 6% of water for the city was being used by just 4 data centers.
Microsoft's own report stated their global water consumption grew by 34% between 2021 and 2022.
Google reported a 20% increase in water use between 2021 and 2022.
The Water company actually released a statement in 2022 saying it, in partnership with the city, will only consider future data projects that can show reduced water use compared to current levels.
Are they a net gain for the city? I guess. They create some jobs and generate some tax revenue.
Are they an environmental disaster? It could be argued. With our waterways more polluted than possibly ever before, due to governmental policies and enforcement, combined with a multi-year drought that just ended in 2024, reliable clean water was a real concern, and the handful of data centers were chugging down 6% of the water during the worst time of year to have reduced clean water available.
I was simply referring to the way that it was presented in the articles covering the efforts? I'm aware of the fact that a data center is not equal to a single building. It was a tongue in cheek comment about comparable efficiencies. Were you formerly literalpolice?***
If those tariffs actually come to fruition, and increase what we already have in place for tariffs(under Trump and Biden), then even if a handful of jobs come back, prices for everything will be so high that itll hurt the entire rest of the economy.
Tariffs should not be used, with the exception of a few key targeted products/industries. And those are very much the exception.
Using tariffs to protect jobs, punish another country for drugs/immigration, or punish another country for the existence of a trade imbalance simply burdens Americans and hurts the US economy. It makes products cost more and reduces buying power.
As for Trump's constant threats that pertain to tariffs, he better follow through on them because otherwise he is abandoning one of the big reasons people voted for him. Additionally, him not following through shows he isnt serious with what he constantly claims and threatens. When you rule by chaos and fear, you need to keep the chaos and fear real, otherwise you are ignored.
Correct, companies in other countries account for any domestic tariffs and international tariffs when they price their products for export to the US(and elsewhere too).
Tariffs are a terrible negotiating tool because they just make everything cost more than it otherwise would.
Furthermore, tying counter tariffs to some meaningless number like 'trade deficit' is completely absurd because trade doesnt need to be even/equal. It is OK to import from a country more than you export to that country. Conversely, it is also OK to export more to a country than you import from that country.
There is no reason to create or maintain tariffs that are based on reducing a trade deficit.
Yeah, pretty sure that's just DJT's initial foray into negotiating.
There is certain manufacturing that 100% does need to come back on shore.
Prices aren't really up - everyone is just not seeing the real benefit. The president is playing 4D chess with the economy, the ignorant masses just don't understand. $4 eggs are really good for you, dummy. The inflation is transitory, so don't even worry about it.**
Wait here while I gather some more quotes from the last two years. I'll post them so we will all feel better. I see that sky high prices have now all of a sudden become a huge concern to some people since November 5th.
They 17n better get off their @$$ and get right. The fact that they have been caught flat-footed and unprepared has raised eyebrows at the capitol. They've gotten away with sloth and laziness for too long. Seriously, 6 years to stand up 1 megawatt twenty miles from a substation??? Are you 17n kidding me Entergy? GTFO.
When people who write the laws are asking hard questions about a monopoly utility and already debating how to take away certificated area and give it to power suppliers who aren't beholden to Louisiana investment bankers, somebody in New Orleans better wake the 17 up.
So eliminating state income tax saves the couple $3000 per year.
At Mississippi's 7% grocery tax, the couple would actually need to spend $3570/month on groceries to see that same savings from an eliminated grocery tax.
Anyways, lets say state income tax is eliminated. Ok then, how will all the services that used to be funded through state income tax now be funded? You cant just eliminate $3000 per couple and not also decimate community services.
Mississippi's state income tax goes toward funding education, roads and bridge building/repair, criminal justice, hospitals and health services, parks, economic development, environmental projects and programs, and much more.
So if there is no state income tax, then how is all that paid for? And saying 'well its wasted now' isnt an actual answer.
Does property tax increase?
Does sales tax increase?
Does vehicle tax increase?
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