Tennessee Football
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Lightening in a bottle is how. They hired an OC who could call plays. They’re QB went down in game 2 last year and Hendon Hooker took over. The rest is history.
Hired someone who put top offenses on field every year everywhere he’s been and can do more with less with the disadvantages his scheme puts on defenses, also an elite QB can turn a program around quickly
A better question is why a program like Tennessee would ever be down.
They loaded up from the portal. Obtained the proverbial lightning in a bottle team with a coach who knows how to use it.
It is hard to imagine that Tennessee’s offense was as bad as ours before Heupel. We have not improved. They have arguably the best in college football.
And to think, just 2 short years ago when all the UT players were opting out for the portal, some were convinced that UT would not recover.
It appears JH was getting rid of players that were not going to flourish in his system.
It appears JH was getting rid of players that were not going to flourish in his system.
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Tennessee did not "turn its program around so quickly". After the Fulmer regime expired, they plugged and played five different coaches to find the one who seems to be up to the mark. But there were people, some on this board, who were denigrating, minimizing, and ostracizing Tennessee the entire time they were in the doldrums, as if they never would be relevant again.
The Big Boys don't stand for failure in their football anymore than Kansas, Kentucky, or UNC would in basketball. They are Big Boys because they do what it takes to get back to what they think they ought to be, what they are destined to be. That's the way they proceeded up at UPC.
Fanbases and administrations like ours don't understand fanbases and administrations like theirs. We have never developed the uncompromising culture that keeps them striving. They are relentless and determined because they have a sense of "place"; people like us can not identify with people like them. For that reason, we can't be them.
The Big Boys don't stand for failure in their football anymore than Kansas, Kentucky, or UNC would in basketball. They are Big Boys because they do what it takes to get back to what they think they ought to be, what they are destined to be. That's the way they proceeded up at UPC.
Fanbases and administrations like ours don't understand fanbases and administrations like theirs. We have never developed the uncompromising culture that keeps them striving. They are relentless and determined because they have a sense of "place"; people like us can not identify with people like them. For that reason, we can't be them.
I remember the articles/posts about even the mascot Smokey entering the transfer portal.
Most successful people or organizations are not afraid of stepping on a few people along the way. Beamer must figure this out or he'll end up being a Sparky Woods or Rchard Bell.
It’s all about offense now. You have to be able to put 30+ points to win usually.
Have to agree. Aggressive offenses that attract recruits (and transfers) are the path. Even Saban fought it right up until he embraced it.
2020 scoring offense:
USC: #97 with 23.5 ppg
UT: #108 with 21.5 ppg
UT has more than doubled their scoring under Heupel. We've added a few points under Satterfield.
USC: #97 with 23.5 ppg
UT: #108 with 21.5 ppg
UT has more than doubled their scoring under Heupel. We've added a few points under Satterfield.
Satterfield is awesome though, and Huepel is a moron who destroys programs. A reliable poster told me that more than once.
/sarc
such a liar. Nobody every said that Satterfield was "awesome", just that he deserved some time to fix this instead of howling monkey calling for him to be fire after 3 games.
And Heupel already ran an undefeated team into the ground and then lied and claimed he built it "from the ground up".
All Hendon Hooker. You will see.
Heupel already has some stud QBs lined up to follow Hooker, so we shall see.
I don't care how he got there. He got there. While we are still sputtering around about the same level we were in 2020.
All would agree you need time to fix things, but, look, Auburn just canned Harsin after less than 2 seasons. There was no progress. Similar with Satterfield. There just isn't any progress. Not only are not any better now than we were Week 1, we're not noticeably better than we were last season. We're marginally better than we were in 2020.
This is my primary gripe with Satterfield. A good coach figures out a way. We should see SOME kind of progress over the course of the season. But, here we are, after 8 games still offensively forfeiting the first quarter of every game. It's been hallmark of his offense here that they are slow starting. Painfully slow. He either can't or won't fix it.
Well put and reasonable.
It's astounding that some would want to continue to give Satterfield more time. I can even get behind lettingbhim finish the season, but next year? You've got to be related to the man to think he's earned another year.
We'll see what happens when Hooker leaves. If the starter doesn't get hurt in game 2 last season, Hooker may not have played. Outside of Bama, who practically gave UT the game with 17 penalties, one negating an apparent game winning pick near the end of the game, UT hasn't really faced a stout opponent. We'll see if they are for real this Saturday. I think they can score some points on Georgia but Georgia has a legit offense this season to go along with what is still a very good defense. I think I saw a stat that said Georgia and UT are within 1 point of each other in average scoring in SEC games.
Some of the NFL commentators were saying on Sunday there would be NFL teams going after Heupel after this season. If Heupel is smart he will take an NFL job if it is offered. I don't see UT having the depth to repeat this season next year.
Satterfield is not Carolina's problem. Talent is the problem. Rattler is not the savior and the receivers aren't great either. Unfortunately, going 6-6 (which is what it looks like is going to happen) doesn't exactly create a "must go" feeling among recruits being offered from other more successful programs.
Some of the NFL commentators were saying on Sunday there would be NFL teams going after Heupel after this season. If Heupel is smart he will take an NFL job if it is offered. I don't see UT having the depth to repeat this season next year.
Satterfield is not Carolina's problem. Talent is the problem. Rattler is not the savior and the receivers aren't great either. Unfortunately, going 6-6 (which is what it looks like is going to happen) doesn't exactly create a "must go" feeling among recruits being offered from other more successful programs.
Well, then, damn, prove it. We've had parts of three different centuries to figure this crap out.
How he got their is important, because it is by far the exception, not the rule. You can't just look at the best case scenarios and say "why hasn't that been the case here?"
I remember the same line about Arkansas last year. Why hadn't done in half a year what Arkansas did in a year and a half. Now they are 5-3 this year, and people have moved on to Tennessee because she is the pretty new girl in town.
It took a legendary offensive coach 5 or 6 years to get our offense going here, and it was never really great. Not sure why anybody believed it was going to be a quick turnaround here. I saw many of the same issues we saw Sat several years into Spurrier's tenure.
And again, I'll ask the same question that nobody seems to want to answer becaise they would just rather scream about firing the OC. Who could we get and how long will you give them?
If your premise is correct and talent is the problem, keeping a discredited coordinator will not pave the way to solving the problem.
Repeatedly hiring retired coaches made it temporary. Also, the bad luck of Carlen not getting along with anyone and Joe having a heart attack. Leaves a lot of frustration
I do believe that uga beats them, but I'm a little hesitant to say they've played no one stout.
They play in the sec, and we can throw away Bama, but they still pummeled a Kentucky team, pummeled a 6-2 LSU team and squeaked out a win against Florida.
With only Missouri, vandy and us left (besides uga), I would hate to be arguing that an SEC east team that also played Bama played an easy schedule.
Edit: Also, Hooker was very mediocre prior to coming to UT, so Huepel has to share in his improvement as much as Huepel has to give him credit for success.
And I don't believe we play in a conference where one single player can make a bottom feeder into a national title contender overnight.
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People can still bring up Arkansas if they want. There was a game earlier this season that showed they compared favorably against us.
But you're right about them being ahead a season, so we should compare to their last years team, who was 9-4 and beat Penn state in the outback bowl.
Does anyone think we're doing that this year?
Problem is the guy you are defending, Satterfield, has never even "got there." One decent year at Temple under Rhule....the guy who created the offense that Satterfeld supposedly ran. Rhule never hired him again as an OC in college or the NFL. Satterfield may know all the plays of the offense....but he has yet to prove he can effeciently install it, teach it, or call plays within it.
We have talent but it is being misused in a system which does not play to the strengths of our talent. The 1st drive of the 2nd half against Mizzu was a clear demonstration that Satterfield has no idea what he is doing or how to correct this misuse of talent. The players are starting to speak out regarding our game planning and Beamer has to correct it now or lose what he has managed to build so far.
No, they can't. That's why they aren't.
Yeah, a game the defense lost, not the offense. And they are still 5-3 THIS year, with a bad loss to TAMU.
Ain't gonna happen this year. But, to be honest, I don't want to go 9-4 this year if it only means we're still going to be 5-3 at this point next year. That would be very Muschampesque.
I'm not saying I'm happy being 5-3 this year, either, just that the long term verdict is still very much out on both Beamer and Pittman. There's no fundamental reason Beamer can't succeed here, but he's going to have to exercise that essential skill of being a boss; firing under-performers.
So LSU at Death Valley wasn't playing a Stout opponent? Penalties get called when they see them. They had 11 procedure Penalties. That's on the players getting rattled by an elite fanbase. Weren't you one of the ones saying Rattler was elite? It's amazing all those sacks and poor rushing performances that Hooker did to those opposing offenses. You know, because we are only winning because of him and Bama giving us a charity win.
They can, and we're discussing them now.
And again, they were 9-4 with an outback bowl win. I wonder if we'll do that in our second year? Do you think we will?
Or would you prefer our actual game to compare us?
Neither one really works for you.
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Well, they aren't. And nobody would be discussing them if I hadn't brought up all the nuthugging last year. There is a prettier girl in town this year. It'll be someone else next year.