Yeah that script State is so unique and original. It could only be MSU.
The big Mstate outside the stadium might be replaced...
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Interesting that you should use that example. NM State has a script logo that looks a lot like ours- I don’t know if it’s new or a throwback but I’ve only seen it relatively recently.
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Not bad or just a big picture of Bert Stare. He's been so good at forecasting our head coaching hires let's honor him.
Well I'll stop you right there. Ridiculous to say that no one wants the script &tate. It has more support from the fanbase than the banner M without any question.
Ironically enough, that helmet is a one-off throwback for Michigan State, who has in the last couple of decades staked their claim in branding as "MSU". So MSU is not exactly original or unique.
The decision on the current branding and logos was made after Larry Templeton retired.
The current logos were put into place by Greg Byrne after consulting with a national marketing firm.
I think you're wrong on that. And you conveniently ignored the first 75% of my post.
Yeah but the Banner M started with LT. Thats the only reason it even made that cut.
Almost. The old banner M-State was on the football field and basketball court back in the late 90s. But yes, Byrne is the one who spearheaded the overall change to it, in everything. A lot of time, effort and money was put into that, and it represents the most successful athletic era of our history. That emblem is the most recognizable we've EVER had, without question.
And now, we have people that want to throw it away, and start over (LIKE WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IN OUR HISTORY EXCEPT BASEBALL - shocking that baseball is the pride of our university, right?). We don't learn. What we've always done doesn't work.
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I like STATE, just not not script 
tate. The script seems and looks feminine. STATE looks stronger and masculine.
tate. The script seems and looks feminine. STATE looks stronger and masculine.
Just wait until Dr Pepper has a commercial where they show a cursive State… **
I think any logo, MS, MSU (1980s) and MState are better than just a &tate logo. Because of branding.
Everyone already knows us as "State" in the SEC and regionally. You gain nothing with a "State" only logo. When Mississippi State University markets, they are marketing to those that don't know us, nationally.
The MState logo incorporates what any logo needs and most other schools use currently. A power logo, the M is a power logo. The banner State incorporates our nickname and what should endear most fans.
If I was AD for the day, if so many are truly unhappy with the "Banner M". I would go with the Flying M, M, less the arrow. Then incorporate a block font State across the M. (Yes similar to the Banner M, banner removed and different font M).
OR go to the 1980s MSU (MSJ). However tweak it to look more MSU. The nike MSU is to skinny of a font for me.
Or the baseball, MS. However tweak it to look more North Carolina's NC on their helmet. Bigger, bolder with a curvature to give it personality.
Everyone already knows us as "State" in the SEC and regionally. You gain nothing with a "State" only logo. When Mississippi State University markets, they are marketing to those that don't know us, nationally.
The MState logo incorporates what any logo needs and most other schools use currently. A power logo, the M is a power logo. The banner State incorporates our nickname and what should endear most fans.
If I was AD for the day, if so many are truly unhappy with the "Banner M". I would go with the Flying M, M, less the arrow. Then incorporate a block font State across the M. (Yes similar to the Banner M, banner removed and different font M).
OR go to the 1980s MSU (MSJ). However tweak it to look more MSU. The nike MSU is to skinny of a font for me.
Or the baseball, MS. However tweak it to look more North Carolina's NC on their helmet. Bigger, bolder with a curvature to give it personality.
Byrne had every opportunity to throw it in the trash and come up with a totally new logo. He did not. The marketing firm did not.
The current logos are most synonymous with Mullen, Dak, Schaeffer and winning. But I realize that doesn't help the narrative to remove the Banner M. So Hadad and people like that, mislead the fan base by saying Banner M equals LT and Croom but fail to mention Final Fours and the positives.
MSJ was an emblem of our success during the 90s, and the MState was an emblem of our success in the 2010s. I guess &tate will get its due in the 2030s when we finally have success again, based on our history.
I really, REALLY don't understand why we can't just leave the M-State at midfield and on the stadium, and use the MSJ on the helmets. I don't understand why this is so hard. Why the script State? Use it in baseball and on polo shirts, hoodies, whatever. It's a baseball logo.
MSJ was there during 1980, and there during the 90s, and nobody would complain about it. I agree on the Nike one, I like the older one too. This isn't hard. M-State is still retained as the big, official university logo, that is on the field and facilities. Football team as the MSJ on the helmet. Basketball team does whatever they want, I suppose. Baseball team has M over S and &tate.
Everybody wins.
Again - NO REASON TO MAKE &TATE AN OFFICIAL LOGO.
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New Mexico State’s primary color is Crimson. If you see a guy walking down the Las Vegas strip in Crimson/Maroonish colored “State” shirt do say Hail State, Go Aggies (NMSU) or give him a FSU Tomahawk Chop?
True story. In the mid 2000s, when we made the switch to Russell for all sports, the deal included the banner M-State for everything (note Croom helmets and uniforms). As part of the deal, Templeton told Polk that the baseball hats would have the banner M-State. Polk said "hell no they won't." Templeton responded "well, Russell is paying us $500k just for baseball, so if you can come up with that money yourself, then you can keep the M-over-S." Polk made 10 phone calls, raised the $500k for baseball, and (thankfully) kept the baseball hats. That's how we ended up with god-awful baseball uniforms (check the banner on the sleeve below) but kept the M-over-S.
Thank you, Polk II.
We're not competing against most of those (and there's many more 49).
"State" universities we are competing against in big time CFB (P5). NC State, Oklahoma State, Arizona State, Kanas State and Michigan State (no one refers to Penn State, LSU or FSU simply as "State"). I think NC State and K State are common for two of those schools, rather than simply "State."
We have nothing in common with most of those schools.
Across the SEC, we're commonly referred to as "State." I do believe the "Hail State" campaign has contributed to that.
Indeed. Interesting story, that's one good thing to come out of Polk 2, because any other coach might would have let that slide.
I do think we've learned some things since then, I mean Adidas came in and didn't make us do things like that. And not to mention the 'blocked' banner M-State looks much better now.
Baseball uniforms, at many schools, are notorious for having different logos and lettering. Look at LSU, South Carolina, Texas, Arkansas.
The State script goes back to at least 1961. Other than just the classic block lettering of "STATE", there is no other MSU logo that goes back that far. Like it or not, it's not just some newfangled design.
I dnk who this Twitter guy is but I'll drive by tonight and see what's up. I still think MState will be the main logo and &tate is secondary. However it is concerning IF they start physically removing items such as huge sign. Also I still think Selmon is just trying to sell merchandise and give some fans a bone with a new look.
But I agree. It makes zero sense to go all in on this particular logo.
Keep the banner M. If you change it, am I supposed to throw away all my t-shirts, pull overs, jackets, and wind breakers with banner M logo? Don’t think so.
I just don’t understand what the change is for. Was there a problem selling merch with banner M?
I didn't conveniently ignore it. Your question is "why do it?" The answer is because people don't want the banner as the athletic logo and the script &tate is our other option that doesn't muddy the State vs MSU branding.
And it doesn't matter what the university logo is because many schools use a different logo for athletics.
Say MState out loud. Now say State. Which one sounds stupid? I‘ve never been an MState fan, but I’ve always said State, MSU and Mississippi State.
He's not even remotely close to wrong. The fans want our damn interlocking MSU, but the school leaders suck, so we settle for Script STATE and block Mississippi State. But are better than the academic M.
Glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t like the interlocking MSU. To me it looks more like the 80s than the 90s.
Again, it’s a baseball logo. Football is a more masculine sport…thus, STATE serves way better. Besides, the baseball already has an everyday strong masculine logo that they get to wear on their hats.
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What fans? The majority of keyboard fans? I honestly would be interested in in a more overall representative fan poll. Not saying you’re wrong, but that I would truly be interested in the results if done fairly. I would guess that you are wrong though.
I still think you’re wrong if a more than a keyboard fan vote or poll is done. Not to mention you have to also include the fan and alumni base that is under 35.
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