Jackson is a third world city ran by grifters with third world intelligence. Thats not gonna change
The Lumumba era is coming to a close
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I've heard John say he isn't interested in moving the zoo. Hopefully, he'll change his mind. Either move it or close it. I'd try to "give" it to the state.
Move it, I spent many hours there, and Livingston Lake as a kid.
Others should have the opportunity to enjoy it also.
If Jackson can get just it's residents to shop there again, it wouldn't have to worry about what others thought. The retail parking lots in Madison are constantly loaded with Hinds county cars.
I hope they can. I’d like to keep those cars south of County Line Rd as much as possible. At least most of Madison Co retail is in Ridgeland. Need to keep it that way.
The things is, they won't. Why would I buy anything from Jackson when I can get it cheaper, closer and not have the threat of being carjacked. The once young professional families that were all over Belhaven and Fondren, most of them have left. We moved to Madison and it was one of the best decisions I could ever make for my family. You couldn't pay me enough money to move back into Hinds Co. or Jackson.
Some of the old money Jackson families who have buildings named after grandad and great grandad, owns the businesses that help keep that area afloat, they're all slowly moving away. Madison, Flora, Livingston, Rankin Co.....there's no comparison.
It's going to be a longggggggggggg time for Jackson to be back. Even my 9 year old will say "we don't have to go to Jackson do we?" when we're headed north on I-55.
It’s hard to dismiss your POV. Jackson is definitely worse than its peer cities across the south. I’m not scared of anything there, but it simply has not embraced itself as the business center of the state.
The worst parts, and the best parts, of Jackson, are worse than than the best/worst of Memphis/Birmingham/New Orleans and especially Atlanta.
I mean shlt Jackson has a ways to catch up to Shreveport, Macon and Montgomery. Real talk. When the water shlt happened and Barrelhouse closed, I gave up. Truth still remains, future of MS lies with Jackson, so I guess I am pessimistic about the future.
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It feels like the bluster about states rights takes a backseat anywhere there’s a culture war to be won…
Fed takeover of the water system almost instantly made it way better. The utter incompetence that the current mayor ushered in was almost unbelievable.
For me the combatant ideas are the inefficiencies of most government programs vs the reality that there isn’t another entity, or set of entities, capable of doing a lot of what they do.
I saw one of those on sale at Costco yesterday for $1,799.99.
Yes, as a member of an elite, old money Jackson family, I can attest that even mine has moved on. My sincerest apologies to Grandmother Thalia Mara and Pappap King Edward
Are you though? I mean there are parts of Jackson you shouldn't go in if you are being smart.
And i've lived there.
Jackson has some of the worse schools in Mississippi, can't imagine a family with young kids moving to Jackson.
Try going to the outlet mall in Pearl and not see half the tags non-Rankin County. Mostly Hinds.
County line is on its way to being the new Hwy 80 West Jackson. Better shopping in Flowood.
I'm willing to bet i'm a lot more "cultured" than your dumb @$$
Name the ones that exist that someone else couldn't do better.
We'll patiently wait.
Or maybe it takes a back seat when everyone with a brain can see that one subpar group is better than another way way way way more incompetent group?
Crazy how it always works. They run their businesses off and then go somewhere and start trying to run those businesses off.
I definitely want jackson to succeed. LIke many have stated its good for the entire state when big metro areas thrive. The question is can you do this?
Do you have a police force capable of doing it?
Do you have a new mayor capable of getting the police force to a place where they can do it?
Do you have a prosecutor willing to do it?
Do you have judges willing to do it?
I hope you can get all of those to yes, but history tells us its going to be really really hard.
Yep. It's pretty bad. I haven't been anywhere on County Line Rd. in the last decade other than to the Chick Fil A for lunch a couple of times a month (just because it's the closest CFA to my office).
What the muh privatize everything mouth breathers like pain don't understand is that regulation must be bias-free and sometimes it's not in the best interest of the public to be 'efficient'. Sometimes safety is more important. By 'efficient', what Elon and others mean is that they can do whatever the 17 they want as fast as possible and the hell with everybody else.
Now we can all agree that it's hard for anyone to run Jackson worse than their current city government. I'm sure the state or whoever could at least get it back to competency if they ran it, but they aren't going to take that on, so it doesn't matter. Even Harkins with the airport doesn't really expect the STATE to run the airport. He just wants the state to be the muscle to slap the city around.
I don't quite understand comments like this. I mean, duh, it's not some original thought here. City schools began degrading all over America 40+ years ago. Nobody with half a brain is going to move their kids to Jackson for schools. The people there are well aware of that situation, especially anyone who is seriously looking to relocate inside the city limits.
Guess it depends on what you mean by "a lot". Any private water and sewer company would have done better than the city of Jackson just because they wouldn't have bowed to the political pressure to not cut people off just because they didn't pay. There are a lot of things that government needs to be involved in. Things that are considered natural monopolies probably need to be regulated. While there are certainly aspects that can be contracted out and potentially improve the service, you've got to have government with a significant if not primary role in permitting, zoning and code enforcement, law enforcement, prisons, etc.
But if you have a voting population that is too irresponsible to keep a working water and sewer system, pretty much everything in the sphere of typical government services is at risk. They couldn't have a water and sewer coop any more than they can have a city run one. And any private company, if they were regulated by the City of Jackson, would probably have trouble.
I'm not aware of anyone lined up to provide any social services of their own volition, or in a position to actually pull it off at scale. If anything, the current hateful climate in America clearly demonstrates why some people must be compelled/forced to contribute to the greater good of society via programs that support the least of these...
Aside from health insurance programs (24% of federal spend) for programs like Medicare, Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and Affordable Care Act (ACA) marketplace subsidies and Social Security (21% of federal spend), only about 7% goes to economic security programs ("welfare"-like program). I am hard pressed to think of any place that I could re-direct that 7% of my federal tax dollars and have a greater impact, even with the inefficiencies involved.
Of course, my mentality as a Christian is that I'd rather help the 93, even if the other 7 gets one over on me, than starve all 100. (NOTE: best data I can find is that the fraud rate for social programs is 3 - 7%, so I took the high number for the example)
I noticed you didn't name any agencies or departments that definitely could out perform a private business. You do realize that in most forms of government actually doing something they hire a private company to do it right? Bridge building. Road construction. Defense contracts.
And you realize that businesses are held liable for things regarding safety right? Companies face a lot more law suits that the government does.
I've also got no problem with SOME regulation when it makes good logical sense.
Private sector is more efficient and safe that government as a whole. Not in every single situation, but in the overwhelming majority of them.
Why would you not understand when the topic was about how bad Jackson has become. So, why would you not understand when you agree with "Nobody with half a brain is going to move their kids to Jackson for schools".
Btw Goat, I'm not trying to get in a pissing match with you are anyone on 6 pack.
Jackson is thankfully, an outlier. Total disaster. If the new mayor is no better, or simply can't move the needle, a Detroit-like takeover of Jackson might be the only hope.
And yes, Bear Creek, as an association, is much better run. I was thinking more along the lines of social services.
Is it going to be easy? Of course not. To answer these questions. One, I think Chief Wade is a good man. I have met him several times, and he seems genuinely committed to doing the best he can for Jackson. Two, I think Horne has to be better than Lumumba, given that Horne at least is from the area and understands the issues facing the city in a way that Lumumba never could. I do not have answers to three and four. I would say, however, from spending the last two decades working mostly in the South side of Jackson with families and children. What I see is an obvious poverty issue that is driving the crime problems. You talk to many teenage males, and there is nothing outside of gang life for them to participate in. Now we can argue if this is due to bad schools, no jobs, or any other of a long list of issues. I think the most important thing is bringing back jobs, and not fast food jobs. Now this is where it not being easy kicks in. To do this, the city has to be attractive to businesses in terms of infrastructure and safety.
I have seen a great deal of debate over the last 24 hours, and really many other times on this board as to what Jackson is and what it should be. Some hate the city and mostly for good reason. Some want to do what we can to save the city. To me, it is like eating an elephant. It can not be done all in one bite. But if you just say it is too far gone, or that it can not be done. Then you already have your answer.
Just saying it was an obvious statement - 30 years ago. Not one of those things that essential to a 2025 conversation about Jackson.
Funny since multiple studies exist showing conservatives are more charitable than liberals.
Funny you bring up social security. Trying to read through your rambling, it appears you are saying 7% of SS is used for "the greater good". Well here's an idea. Reduce social security down to 1% of my check vs 6.2% of my check and let me invest my 5.2% how i see fit. 1% of 6.2% is 16.13% of SS FYI. So i'm willing to give more to the greater good to actually have more control of my money.
And if you think people need protection b/c they are too stupid to save for retirment? Ok. Reduce my SS down to 1% and then put 5.2% in retirement account that is mine and mine alone and i can invest it just like a 401k.
Most americans would be better off in this situation. and the ones who weren't would still be putting money away for retirment and they can see their actual progress.
Now would you like to try again? @horshack.sixpack
Government is not there to build bridges and roads or software. It's there to plan, fund and regulate. That's what you don't get. The private sector cannot do those things because there is bias and conflict of interest. Which is why air traffic is still under the government wing even in the midst of rich people trying to privatize it for their own gain.......you cannot show bias in it. Same with transportation planning. If roadway planning was based on money and profit, only the cities would have roads.
The private and public sectors don't compete. That's a load of BS fed to you by people who want less regulation so they can break rules and profit.