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Jackson has some of the worse schools in Mississippi, can't imagine a family with young kids moving to Jackson.
There is a chance (albeit slight) of Jackson becoming livable again within a decade or two. JPS becoming a suitable place to send your children to school.....not so much.
 
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What I see is an obvious poverty issue that is driving the crime problems. You talk to many teenage males, and there is nothing outside of gang life for them to participate in. Now we can argue if this is due to bad schools, no jobs, or any other of a long list of issues. I think the most important thing is bringing back jobs, and not fast food jobs. Now this is where it not being easy kicks in. To do this, the city has to be attractive to businesses in terms of infrastructure and safety.
Step 1 - lets call a spade a spade. QUIT HAVING CHILDREN BEFORE MARRIAGE. Having 2 adults married raising kids solves a ton of issues and isn't hard to do.

The rest will start to fall into place but i don't totally disagree with you. STEP 1 IS STEP 1 THOUGH and nothing changes without that.
I have seen a great deal of debate over the last 24 hours, and really many other times on this board as to what Jackson is and what it should be. Some hate the city and mostly for good reason. Some want to do what we can to save the city. To me, it is like eating an elephant. It can not be done all in one bite. But if you just say it is too far gone, or that it can not be done. Then you already have your answer.
You are right. Its gonna take baby steps, but again, if STEP 1 doesn't happen, its gonna fail.
 
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Government is not there to build bridges and roads or software. It's there to plan, fund and regulate. That's what you don't get. The private sector cannot do those things because there is bias and conflict of interest. Which is why air traffic is still under the government wing even in the midst of rich people trying to privatize it for their own gain.......you cannot show bias in it.
Canada has private air traffic control. Not-for-profit that was set up by statute, so sort of like our utility cooperatives. And it's funny saying you can't show bias in air traffic control. Part of the problem we have with air traffic control right now is that we eliminated qualified applicants based on demographic factors. Purposefully choked the pipeline to get an end result they wanted based on dscriminatory factors. Much less likely a privately run entity would openly discriminate like that and do it in a way that left them with a shortage of talent. Certainly has happened with some organizations that have significant principal/agent problems, but it's less likely.


Same with transportation planning. If roadway planning was based on money and profit, only the cities would have roads.

The private and public sectors don't compete. That's a load of BS fed to you by people who want less regulation so they can break rules and profit.
The private and public sectors absolutely compete. If for nothing else for debt financing. But you have private and government run hospitals competing. Competition between investor owned and publicly owned utilities. Medicare advantage competes with Medicare. You have privately owned and/or operated toll roads/bridges competing with public roadways. Some places have private zoning/code inspections competing with public ones. I'm sure there are other examples but those are just off the top of my head.
 

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Part of the problem we have with air traffic control right now is that we eliminated qualified applicants based on demographic factors. Much less likely a privately run entity would openly discriminate like that and do it in a way that left them with a shortage.
Oh dear God. NO.....we didn't.

The private and public sectors absolutely compete. If for nothing else for debt financing. But you have private and government run hospitals competing. Competition between investor owned and publicly owned utilities. Medicare advantage competes with Medicare. You have privately owned and/or operated toll roads/bridges competing with public roadways. Some places have private zoning/code inspections competing with public ones. I'm sure there are other examples but those are just off the top of my head.
I consider the public sector, and government run things like say a hospital, to be two different things. A government run hospital isn't really in the field of regulation.
 

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Step 1 - lets call a spade a spade. QUIT HAVING CHILDREN BEFORE MARRIAGE. Having 2 adults married raising kids solves a ton of issues and isn't hard to do.

The rest will start to fall into place but i don't totally disagree with you. STEP 1 IS STEP 1 THOUGH and nothing changes without that.

You are right. Its gonna take baby steps, but again, if STEP 1 doesn't happen, its gonna fail.
I agree with you that a two-parent household is better for any child. I am just trying to give perspective as someone that deals with these families and children on a daily basis. I hope my meager contributions help to inform you more than anything else. One thing I will say is, from being in the homes and dealing with these people face to face, there is a tremendous amount of good. The issue is the good is outweighed or overshadowed by the bad. I really wish everyone that hates the city could see some of the things I have seen. Like a football coach taking time out on his Sundays and all afternoon coming and opening the field up, so his kids will have something to do besides violence and gangs. Or a young lady attending a JPS school right now that made almost perfect on her ACT that works at the Boys and Girls club, mentoring her peers in reading. I have also seen violence, and all the rest, but I just am not ready to give up on the city. There is still good here, it just needs to be cultivated and given a chance to grow.
 
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I agree with you that a two-parent household is better for any child. I am just trying to give perspective as someone that deals with these families and children on a daily basis. I hope my meager contributions help to inform you more than anything else. One thing I will say is, from being in the homes and dealing with these people face to face, there is a tremendous amount of good. The issue is the good is outweighed or overshadowed by the bad. I really wish everyone that hates the city could see some of the things I have seen. Like a football coach taking time out on his Sundays and all afternoon coming and opening the field up, so his kids will have something to do besides violence and gangs. Or a young lady attending a JPS school right now that made almost perfect on her ACT that works at the Boys and Girls club, mentoring her peers in reading. I have also seen violence, and all the rest, but I just am not ready to give up on the city. There is still good here, it just needs to be cultivated and given a chance to grow.
Oh i appreciate your feedback. I'm especially happy the devil has a soul. Kidding.
 

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Oh dear God. NO.....we didn't.
They absolutely did up until 2018. Unless you think the FAA was lying about the use of the biographical assessment. There were candidates that had acceptable scores on the aptitude tests eliminated, while the FAA was complaining about a shortage of candidates. In 2018 they were required to move to only using the aptitude test.

I consider the public sector, and government run things like say a hospital, to be two different things. A government run hospital isn't really in the field of regulation.
If you limit the public sector to things that private entities don't do, they don't compete directly, but I suspect that is a much smaller sphere than you are thinking. Even then though, they are competing for debt financing.
 
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"everyone that hates the city"
I honestly don't believe anyone "hates the city". I think they hate the "culture" this past administration has allowed and to some extent supported that has totally over run the city.
 

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They absolutely did up until 2018. Unless you think the FAA was lying about the use of the biographical assessment. There were candidates that had acceptable scores on the aptitude tests eliminated, while the FAA was complaining about a shortage of candidates. In 2018 they were required to move to only using the aptitude test.
They weren't turned down. The aptitude test was meant to draw in minorities, for sure. But it's because there was a shortage.

Think about that for a second.
 

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They weren't turned down. The aptitude test was meant to draw in minorities, for sure. But it's because there was a shortage.

Think about that for a second.
They were turned down. Even with good AT-SAT scores. It was not just meant to draw in minorities. It was meant to draw in minorities at the expense of more qualified candidates. If they just wanted to broaden their reach, the biographical questionnaire could have been used to give people another way to qualify that didn't meat the traditional requirements. There was zero reason to disqualify candidates that were otherwise qualified based on the questionnaire and the way it was scored.
 
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Government is not there to build bridges and roads or software. It's there to plan, fund and regulate. That's what you don't get. The private sector cannot do those things because there is bias and conflict of interest. Which is why air traffic is still under the government wing even in the midst of rich people trying to privatize it for their own gain.......you cannot show bias in it. Same with transportation planning. If roadway planning was based on money and profit, only the cities would have roads.

The private and public sectors don't compete. That's a load of BS fed to you by people who want less regulation so they can break rules and profit.
Air traffic is certainly better under DEI***
 
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It’s hard to dismiss your POV. Jackson is definitely worse than its peer cities across the south. I’m not scared of anything there, but it simply has not embraced itself as the business center of the state.

The worst parts, and the best parts, of Jackson, are worse than than the best/worst of Memphis/Birmingham/New Orleans and especially Atlanta.

I mean shlt Jackson has a ways to catch up to Shreveport, Macon and Montgomery. Real talk. When the water shlt happened and Barrelhouse closed, I gave up. Truth still remains, future of MS lies with Jackson, so I guess I am pessimistic about the future.
The future of Mississippi does not lie with Jackson. It lies in the Memphis suburbs, the Coast, The Tupelo area, the Golden Triangle, and Hattiesburg.
 

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I mean shlt Jackson has a ways to catch up to Shreveport, Macon and Montgomery. Real talk. When the water shlt happened and Barrelhouse closed, I gave up. Truth still remains, future of MS lies with Jackson, so I guess I am pessimistic about the future.
Man, I don't know... I have been through Montgomery and Shreveport several times and maybe it's just familiarity, but I really believe I might choose Jackson. Definitely over Shreveport. Montgomery has some nice areas, but it's also not the same size, so not really fair to compare to a larger urban area with demographic, political, and urban issues to smaller towns. You'd have to go dump 200,000 more people in Montgomery and then see how they'd compare.

I don't think I've ever been to Macon but it's a much smaller MSA and not really a direct comp. It's closer to the size of Tupelo than it is Jackson.

I'd think you'd want to compare Jackson to Mobile, which is still a smaller MSA but not by much. Or if we want to talk other comparable sized southern cities like Huntsville and Chattanooga, then you can easily make the case of how badly we've fallen behind. It's glaring against those.
 
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"everyone that hates the city"
I honestly don't believe anyone "hates the city". I think they hate the "culture" this past administration has allowed and to some extent supported that has totally over run the city.
This is trash. There are absolutely people who hate the city and can't wait to **** on it at every opportunity. Most of these people either a.) have let politics affect every facet of their daily lives or b.) just don't like black people. Go take a look at the social media comments any time there happens to be a positive development in Jackson. People just can't help themselves.
 
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This is trash. There are absolutely people who hate the city and can't wait to **** on it at every opportunity. Most of these people either a.) have let politics affect every facet of their daily lives or b.) just don't like black people. Go take a look at the social media comments any time there happens to be a positive development in Jackson. People just can't help themselves.
100% correct.
 

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As the old saying goes, every cloud has a silver lining. Jackson's downfall has played into the hands of Clinton, Flowood and Brandon. Clinton posted one of the lowest violent crime rates in their history last year. They also reported a grand total of one business burglary in 2024, and only 34 auto burglaries. Since 2013 residential burglaries have dropped a whopping %94.

Flowood likewise only reported 3 aggravated assaults and zero murders and rapes in 2023.

So if we were to factor in a resurgent Jackson on top of all the statistics in these suburbs, central Mississippi could suddenly become extremely appealing to even those living outside of the state. If Horhn is successful in Jackson it could really raise property values not just in Jackson but in the surrounding area as well.
 

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This is trash. There are absolutely people who hate the city and can't wait to **** on it at every opportunity. Most of these people either a.) have let politics affect every facet of their daily lives or b.) just don't like black people. Go take a look at the social media comments any time there happens to be a positive development in Jackson. People just can't help themselves.
This is definitely a small sample size, but in my experience the people that hate Jackson the most are the ones that would like to live there, if it were decent. People that left the state for a similar but better metro area, or people in the state that are "stuck" commuting or "stuck" living in a smaller town because they don't want to leave Mississippi but can't handle the tradeoffs of living in Jackson.

Certainly there are people that love to **** on whatever they don't personally like and there are lots of people that just genuinely like small towns or rural living that bizarrely like to bash Jackson rather than just recognize that people have different tastes/preferences/likes, just like there are people in cities that like to bash small towns and rural areas. I think those people are just weirdly insecure about their own preferences and feel like they need to be validated by the other options being ****** rather than just different. But the hatred of Jackson seems strongest to me in people that feel like they actually lose something by Jackson being ****** because they would like to live there.
 
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This is trash. There are absolutely people who hate the city and can't wait to **** on it at every opportunity. Most of these people either a.) have let politics affect every facet of their daily lives or b.) just don't like black people. Go take a look at the social media comments any time there happens to be a positive development in Jackson. People just can't help themselves.
i mean that still doesn't mean most people hate the city or black people, but there is a lot of low hanging fruit to make fun.

They didn't collect more 60% of water bills for over a decade (maybe 2 or 3 decades?). 17 they didn't even send out a bill to most people. Thats literally the easiest thing to do. Its hilarious and people should ridicule and laugh at that level of ineptitude.
 
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They were turned down. Even with good AT-SAT scores. It was not just meant to draw in minorities. It was meant to draw in minorities at the expense of more qualified candidates. If they just wanted to broaden their reach, the biographical questionnaire could have been used to give people another way to qualify that didn't meat the traditional requirements. There was zero reason to disqualify candidates that were otherwise qualified based on the questionnaire and the way it was scored.
I just linked about 6 articles confirming what you are saying.

@OG Goat Holder will now disappear from this topic.
 

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Name the ones that exist that someone else couldn't do better.

We'll patiently wait.
Mail delivery.

For as much crap that USPS receives for being in the red, while also having limited opportunity to change pricing and funding laws, the fact that it isnt more in the red is impressive.

I have read multiple analysis articles that showed the same things if mail were privatized- fewer deliveries to rural addresses and higher prices overall.
So basically, to be profitable we would have to allow a private model to operate differently than the current model, which means apples would be compared to oranges.

USPS being viewed as a profit/loss center within the Federal Government is an absurd way to view the service.
- It is limited by laws what it can charge for a lot of mail it is forced to transport and deliver.
- It is forced to deliver to areas and addresses that create clear financial losses.
- For 16 recent years USPS had to pre-fund benefits, even for people who didnt yet work there.

Not all services need to be or should be profitable. I dont expect my town's Parks Department to be profitable. If they can figure out a way while providing excellent experiences, then cool. But their priority needs to be providing spaces for people to use, so that may mean they are in the red at the end of the year.
USPS exists to deliver mail and the cost of stamps and packages is a way to reduce the overall expense. If USPS must be in the black, then allow USPS to set their own pricing and schedules and delivery contracts with overseas vendors/postal services.

Make UPS or FedEx deliver under the exact same parameters as USPS and see how long either of those companies renews that contract.
 

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Funny since multiple studies exist showing conservatives are more charitable than liberals.

Funny you bring up social security. Trying to read through your rambling, it appears you are saying 7% of SS is used for "the greater good". Well here's an idea. Reduce social security down to 1% of my check vs 6.2% of my check and let me invest my 5.2% how i see fit. 1% of 6.2% is 16.13% of SS FYI. So i'm willing to give more to the greater good to actually have more control of my money.

And if you think people need protection b/c they are too stupid to save for retirment? Ok. Reduce my SS down to 1% and then put 5.2% in retirement account that is mine and mine alone and i can invest it just like a 401k.

Most americans would be better off in this situation. and the ones who weren't would still be putting money away for retirment and they can see their actual progress.

Now would you like to try again? @horshack.sixpack
What? 7% of federal spend is social programs (not social security). How was that not clear? Otherwise, nothing stated here even remotely addresses the point. Ramble. Sees actual facts. Ramble on a tangent...
 
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Mail delivery.

For as much crap that USPS receives for being in the red, while also having limited opportunity to change pricing and funding laws, the fact that it isnt more in the red is impressive.

I have read multiple analysis articles that showed the same things if mail were privatized- fewer deliveries to rural addresses and higher prices overall.
So basically, to be profitable we would have to allow a private model to operate differently than the current model, which means apples would be compared to oranges.

USPS being viewed as a profit/loss center within the Federal Government is an absurd way to view the service.
- It is limited by laws what it can charge for a lot of mail it is forced to transport and deliver.
- It is forced to deliver to areas and addresses that create clear financial losses.
- For 16 recent years USPS had to pre-fund benefits, even for people who didnt yet work there.

Not all services need to be or should be profitable. I dont expect my town's Parks Department to be profitable. If they can figure out a way while providing excellent experiences, then cool. But their priority needs to be providing spaces for people to use, so that may mean they are in the red at the end of the year.
USPS exists to deliver mail and the cost of stamps and packages is a way to reduce the overall expense. If USPS must be in the black, then allow USPS to set their own pricing and schedules and delivery contracts with overseas vendors/postal services.

Make UPS or FedEx deliver under the exact same parameters as USPS and see how long either of those companies renews that contract.
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Get back to me when you can walk into ANY post office and have a 50% chance of getting even decent slightly fast service. Or how about the dependability of getting mail somewhere through USPS?

$80 billion in revenue divided by 32,000 post offices is $2.5 million per store. McDonald's type revenue.

COGS - 20%?? maybe?
 
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What? 7% of federal spend is social programs (not social security). How was that not clear? Otherwise, nothing stated here even remotely addresses the point. Ramble. Sees actual facts. Ramble on a tangent...
it wasn't clear at all.

So heres a pointed question.

Give me the breakdown of 6.2% social security. Where does the money go?
 

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TLDR

Get back to me when you can walk into ANY post office and have a 50% chance of getting even decent slightly fast service. Or how about the dependability of getting mail somewhere through USPS?

$80 billion in revenue divided by 32,000 post offices is $2.5 million per store. McDonald's type revenue.

COGS - 20%?? maybe?
Dividing revenue by locations is a meaningless statistic. Like really, what are you trying to show? The Ochopee FL post office isnt pulling in that much revenue and the Farley post office in NYC isnt making that little.

USPS absolutely has areas where they could improve. But that is not the discussion here. Dont try to shift goalposts.
The point I made when I responded to your prior comment was that a private company would not be able to operate at a profit if it also had to follow all laws/regulations that USPS follows. The only way a private company would be in the black for postal delivery is if they were allowed to significantly change current laws/regulations.
 

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Those articles are plumb brain rot. Explains why you inhale those talking points so quickly. No confirmations of anything, and no context.

Again, I say. There is a SHORTAGE. It's not possible to screen candidates out assuming they were smart enough to get there to begin with.
 

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it wasn't clear at all.

So heres a pointed question.

Give me the breakdown of 6.2% social security. Where does the money go?
Holy crap. I simply referenced a few key programs and % of federal spend that goes toward each with no comment on social security at all, just the 7% of federal spend that goes toward federal social programs, even called it "welfare" to be clear of the distinction. Then I pointed out that if the feds gave me the 7%, I do not know of any avenue to have a similar impact to what those programs have, IF I were able to self-direct it. You dove into some liberal vs conservative crap that has nothing to do with the point.
 

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Dividing revenue by locations is a meaningless statistic. Like really, what are you trying to show? The Ochopee FL post office isnt pulling in that much revenue and the Farley post office in NYC isnt making that little.

USPS absolutely has areas where they could improve. But that is not the discussion here. Dont try to shift goalposts.
The point I made when I responded to your prior comment was that a private company would not be able to operate at a profit if it also had to follow all laws/regulations that USPS follows. The only way a private company would be in the black for postal delivery is if they were allowed to significantly change current laws/regulations.
Goalpost shifting is the specialty here. Literally no willingness, or maybe ability, to discuss facts. At all. It's crazy.
 
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Dividing revenue by locations is a meaningless statistic. Like really, what are you trying to show? The Ochopee FL post office isnt pulling in that much revenue and the Farley post office in NYC isnt making that little.

USPS absolutely has areas where they could improve. But that is not the discussion here. Dont try to shift goalposts.
The point I made when I responded to your prior comment was that a private company would not be able to operate at a profit if it also had to follow all laws/regulations that USPS follows. The only way a private company would be in the black for postal delivery is if they were allowed to significantly change current laws/regulations.
I’m not moving the goal post. If they can’t make it work with $80 billion in revenue they suck.

Lot of private companies could make that work.

raising prices? Id be all for raising the price of postage if they people running the place were held accountable like private business employees are.
 
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Those articles are plumb brain rot. Explains why you inhale those talking points so quickly. No confirmations of anything, and no context.

Again, I say. There is a SHORTAGE. It's not possible to screen candidates out assuming they were smart enough to get there to begin with.
You must be really stupid.

Are you saying none of those sources are more reliable than tou?
 
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Goalpost shifting is the specialty here. Literally no willingness, or maybe ability, to discuss facts. At all. It's crazy.
Facts? It’s a fact the USPS generates $80 billion in revenue but can’t be effective and efficient or balance their books.

Thats the only important fact there is. That’s not moving the goal posts.

that’s simply stating a fact.
 
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I’m not moving the goal post. If they can’t make it work with $80 billion in revenue they suck.

Lot of private companies could make that work.

raising prices? Id be all for raising the price of postage if they people running the place were held accountable like private business employees are.
Oh my gosh, you are so clearly ignorant of what you are posting about.

Listing revenue and declaring a profit should be made based on just revenue is completely misunderstanding the issue.
Saying you are OK with raising prices when you don’t even know why prices aren’t raised more or why they are forced to accept business they know will be a loss is completely misunderstanding the issue.
 

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They absolutely did up until 2018. Unless you think the FAA was lying about the use of the biographical assessment. There were candidates that had acceptable scores on the aptitude tests eliminated, while the FAA was complaining about a shortage of candidates. In 2018 they were required to move to only using the aptitude test.


If you limit the public sector to things that private entities don't do, they don't compete directly, but I suspect that is a much smaller sphere than you are thinking. Even then though, they are competing for debt financing.
They were and are BEGGING for qualified applicants of any stripe. You are just flat out wrong man. It's not a great job to work. I have a relative that is a air traffic controller in the military. He likes it a lot in the service, BUT, he wants no part of it in civilian life when he gets his 20 done.