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L4Dawg

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They weren't turned down. The aptitude test was meant to draw in minorities, for sure. But it's because there was a shortage.

Think about that for a second.
Goat and I don't often agree, but he is absolutely correct on this.
 
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They were turned down. Even with good AT-SAT scores. It was not just meant to draw in minorities. It was meant to draw in minorities at the expense of more qualified candidates. If they just wanted to broaden their reach, the biographical questionnaire could have been used to give people another way to qualify that didn't meat the traditional requirements. There was zero reason to disqualify candidates that were otherwise qualified based on the questionnaire and the way it was scored.
They took anyone who qualified and STILL couldn't fill all the jobs. You need to quit.
 

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Is the Wall Street journal brain rot too?

Donald Trump GIF by Election 2016

…I agree with your points about DEI. Dipping my toe in the airline industry and having constant present interaction with ATC now….i can vouch for a noted decline. Had a guy on JAN approach today that was having a hard time directing traffic, and JAN isn’t busy.
But, WSJ is brain rot. I’d say anything mainstream….brain rot
 

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So you think the FAA was lying about using the biographical assessment?
No, just that it didn’t eliminate any qualified applicants. They were taking people who weren’t qualified, but that was because there was a SHORTAGE of qualified applicants. They were trying to attract anyone even remotely qualified. Do you know any ATCs?
 
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No, just that it didn’t eliminate any qualified applicants. They were taking people who weren’t qualified, but that because there was a SHORTAGE of qualified applicants. They were trying to attract anyone even remotely qualified. Do you know any ATCs?
And that’s just false according to the FAA. According to them, they were disqualifying applicants based on the biographical questionnaire. They were asked why so few CTI graduates were “passing” the biographical questionnaire by a democratic senator back in 2014 and the FAA provided no explanation. If they weren’t disqualifying applicants based on the biographical questionnaire, that seems like it would have been a good time to clarify that. They had thousands of CTI graduates in the pipeline at that time waiting for spots.
 
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Honest question here. I've stated I did over 2 decades in Jackson and nothing could make me go back at this stage in life (retirement). But
is there a success story anywhere of a city comparable in size and number of negative issues that Jackson has that came back from the ashes of death and is a success story now?
 
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No, just that it didn’t eliminate any qualified applicants. They were taking people who weren’t qualified, but that was because there was a SHORTAGE of qualified applicants. They were trying to attract anyone even remotely qualified. Do you know any ATCs?
Are you suggesting both happened?

a lack of qualified candidates and a preference for DEI to get numbers up?

if you are, ok? Still doesn’t make it ok or right.
 
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Honest question here. I've stated I did over 2 decades in Jackson and nothing could make me go back at this stage in life (retirement). But
is there a success story anywhere of a city comparable in size and number of negative issues that Jackson has that came back from the ashes of death and is a success story now?
Birmingham had a pretty good resurgence but like they always do they F it up
 
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Honest question here. I've stated I did over 2 decades in Jackson and nothing could make me go back at this stage in life (retirement). But
is there a success story anywhere of a city comparable in size and number of negative issues that Jackson has that came back from the ashes of death and is a success story now?
I believe Chattanooga had a string of years when they were losing population or stagnant, but in recent years they've overcome all that. They're growing moderately and most say it's a nice place to visit live. It probably went as low as you guys say Jackson is now, however. I have no idea - haven't been to Jackson in a long, long time.
 
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Birmingham had a pretty good resurgence but like they always do they F it up
The B'ham area is a lot larger than Jackson, so not really comparable, but the city itself has lost almost 150,000 people since the 80s. And the homicide rate is high. So I'm not sure they've had much of a resurgence.
 

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No, just that it didn’t eliminate any qualified applicants. They were taking people who weren’t qualified, but that was because there was a SHORTAGE of qualified applicants. They were trying to attract anyone even remotely qualified. Do you know any ATCs?
You are getting suckered by the way they are using qualified. Yes, when you disqualify people based on the biographical questionnaire and throw out AT-SAT scores and don’t allow retesting unless they pass the biographical questionnaire, you can say there were no more qualified candidates. But that’s not what normal people are referring to as qualified.
 
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The B'ham area is a lot larger than Jackson, so not really comparable, but the city itself has lost almost 150,000 people since the 80s. And the homicide rate is high. So I'm not sure they've had much of a resurgence.
I thought they had done some good things 20 ish years ago and things had gotten better

new they had some issues come back

But yeah it’s probably not a good example. Not sure there is a good one.
 

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The B'ham area is a lot larger than Jackson, so not really comparable, but the city itself has lost almost 150,000 people since the 80s. And the homicide rate is high. So I'm not sure they've had much of a resurgence.
They’ve rebuilt downtown and made itself viable for young people. That’s all anybody really wants to happen with Jackson. It’s actually a pretty model to use.
 
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It makes it the exact opposite of what you and @johnson86-1 claimed.
No it doesn’t.

2 things can be true at once but I realize you are too stupid to know that.

They can be short on qualified applicants and give preference to DEI (which they did).

let me explain that to you.

Current qualifications:
Must make 80 or above on the test to be considered

no one made above 80 so we are gonna interview the top 50 who had the closest to 80%

or

screw it, no one scored 80% or better so we’ll just go to the bottom of the stack to give these people a fair shot.
 

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I thought they had done some good things 20 ish years ago and things had gotten better

new they had some issues come back

But yeah it’s probably not a good example. Not sure there is a good one.
20 years it was a shlthole. The resurgence happened under William Bell who worked with the investors. Really took off in 2012-2013.

Again, you know nothing about what you speak. Yeah they have crime, always have. It’s a big city.
 

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No it doesn’t.

2 things can be true at once but I realize you are too stupid to know that.

They can be short on qualified applicants and give preference to DEI (which they did).

let me explain that to you.

Current qualifications:
Must make 80 or above on the test to be considered

no one made above 80 so we are gonna interview the top 50 who had the closest to 80%

or

screw it, no one scored 80% or better so we’ll just go to the bottom of the stack to give these people a fair shot.
Man that’s some grade A goalpost moving. We could have used you back during the 99 football season.
 

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The B'ham area is a lot larger than Jackson, so not really comparable, but the city itself has lost almost 150,000 people since the 80s. And the homicide rate is high. So I'm not sure they've had much of a resurgence.
They are trying at least. The area around the Sloss Furnaces has really improved In the last several years.
 

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You are getting suckered by the way they are using qualified. Yes, when you disqualify people based on the biographical questionnaire and throw out AT-SAT scores and don’t allow retesting unless they pass the biographical questionnaire, you can say there were no more qualified candidates. But that’s not what normal people are referring to as qualified.
You can’t seem to get it through your head that they were and are seriously understaffed. Again, do you know any ATCs?
 

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2 things can be true at once but I realize you are too stupid to know that.
- USPS could improve.
- You haven't even remotely shown any proof or support to your claim that privatizing mail delivery, in its exact current laws and regulations, would make mail delivery profitable.


Look at that, two things that are true at once.
 
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- USPS could improve.
- You haven't even remotely shown any proof or support to your claim that privatizing mail delivery, in its exact current laws and regulations, would make mail delivery profitable.


Look at that, two things that are true at once.
I don’t care if it’s profitable

I care if it loses money and has $h1tty service and the current system is losing money and sucks.
 

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Heeeeeyyyy, since we’re conveniently on the topic of Jackson with an air traffic twist….whats the over/under on the city losing the airport?
It is one of the most expensive towers in the country to operate
 

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Heeeeeyyyy, since we’re conveniently on the topic of Jackson with an air traffic twist….whats the over/under on the city losing the airport?
It is one of the most expensive towers in the country to operate
Not happening. Only possible options is the board expanding into a true authority rather than a city board, which will involve other entities bringing their checkbook. Or, the city outright selling to a new authority.
 

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Mail delivery.

For as much crap that USPS receives for being in the red, while also having limited opportunity to change pricing and funding laws, the fact that it isnt more in the red is impressive.

I have read multiple analysis articles that showed the same things if mail were privatized- fewer deliveries to rural addresses and higher prices overall.
So basically, to be profitable we would have to allow a private model to operate differently than the current model, which means apples would be compared to oranges.

USPS being viewed as a profit/loss center within the Federal Government is an absurd way to view the service.
- It is limited by laws what it can charge for a lot of mail it is forced to transport and deliver.
- It is forced to deliver to areas and addresses that create clear financial losses.
- For 16 recent years USPS had to pre-fund benefits, even for people who didnt yet work there.

Not all services need to be or should be profitable. I dont expect my town's Parks Department to be profitable. If they can figure out a way while providing excellent experiences, then cool. But their priority needs to be providing spaces for people to use, so that may mean they are in the red at the end of the year.
USPS exists to deliver mail and the cost of stamps and packages is a way to reduce the overall expense. If USPS must be in the black, then allow USPS to set their own pricing and schedules and delivery contracts with overseas vendors/postal services.

Make UPS or FedEx deliver under the exact same parameters as USPS and see how long either of those companies renews that contract.
I’ve heard FedEx submitted a bid years back to take over mail delivery. They claimed they could perform better than the current (at that time) system and do it for much cheaper. I do not know this to be a fact, it was a common topic around Memphis a while back.
From my observations, I think there is a lot of low hanging fruit at USPS if you’re trying to find areas to improve. Private companies have incentive to improve. USPS does not. Just food for thought. I don’t really care about privatizing the USPS. Hopefully we can have enough name calling in this thread to change my mind.
 

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You can’t seem to get it through your head that they were and are seriously understaffed. Again, do you know any ATCs?
Very on brand for you to be so wrong and so sure. Do you perhaps know why they were understaffed? Or how they decided each year how many people to admit to the faa’s air traffic controller training program?
That information won’t help you update your opinion because you’re not able to do that but it would provide the information you need to know you’re wrong if you were capable of reasoning into once you’ve made your mind up.
 
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