Weather nerds........Milton

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I always think at some point someone said .... Hey I've got an idea, let's fly an airplane straight into it. Who wants to go first?
I'd think turbulence and downdrafts would be the biggie. The cruising speed of an airliner is maybe 550 mph (in much thinner atmosphere) but landing speed is pretty close to the wind speed of Milton. You get bounced around a lot more flying into a hurricane, but the relative wind speed, if that was the only factor, shouldn't be a huge deal. That said, I'm not going to fly into a hurricane.
 

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That’s what all the local Tampa and Orlando weather guys are saying too. My family is at Disney now. We got here before they were sure exactly what this storm would do. By the time they figured it out, a flight out was virtually impossible.

I grew up in Tampa, so I’ve been through a few of these. Typically, as far inland as Orlando is usually fine… but I’m still concerned. I’m more concerned for friends and family in Tampa though. That is a town with a flooding problem anyway and looks like the worst of this storm will be the surge.
Disney is closing everything in phases starting tomorrow, I think at noon. I believe the forecast is for 100 mph winds in Orlando.
 

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Use less C02. They didn't drive cars either. I don't think they had TikTok either. I think they lived differently if I'm not mistaken and there were fewer people. They didn't live as long but I think that's because they were vaccinated***
Seriously, do most people who think there's no such thing as climate change, with part of it is because of how we live, because they studied the science and think scientists are idiots? Or is it because of some crazy policy responses proposed by far lefties?
My guess is any negativity toward "climate change" in general would be the second thing. Plus, a certain faith in humanity to adapt. As has been said in this debate a few times, humans' inventions (like say, medicine, air conditioning, insulation, etc.) have saved way more lives than they have caused deaths.
 
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It can weaken and still be the most costly and destructive hurricane of all time simply due to where it makes landfall. The insurance industry is about to have a real stress test. Tampa is the ONE city that they never wanted to see take a direct hit. We're also about to see just how robust the worldwide reinsurance industry is. Lloyds hasn't seen anything like this. Capital may be hard to come by for new reinsurance purchases next year.
Why and how did we get to a place where we think Tampa would not get hit with a major hurricane at some point in time? These storms have always happened and we continue to build bigger, more concentrated and more expensive every time they hit. Insanity anyone?
 
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My guess is any negativity toward "climate change" in general would be the second thing. Plus, a certain faith in humanity to adapt. As has been said in this debate a few times, humans' inventions (like say, medicine, air conditioning, insulation, etc.) have saved way more lives than they have caused deaths.
Yes they have and science and technology will likely help mitigate the worst effects of climate change. Ignore the unformed on the extremes and let scientists and engineers figure out solutions that are reasonable. I'm not giving up air conditioning, air travel, modern medicine etc.
 
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Not sure when that wind shear is expected but this morning the top of Milton was getting lopped off by it and it just pushed through it, like someone else said Michael did. I assume there is more?
 

Darryl Steight

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Yes they have and science and technology will likely help mitigate the worst effects of climate change. Ignore the unformed on the extremes and let scientists and engineers figure out solutions that are reasonable. I'm not giving up air conditioning, air travel, modern medicine etc.
"Ignore the uninformed on the extremes" is a really good and necessary life philosophy these days. It's harder than it should be sometimes, I'll admit.
 

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Use less C02. They didn't drive cars either. I don't think they had TikTok either. I think they lived differently if I'm not mistaken and there were fewer people. They didn't live as long but I think that's because they were vaccinated***
Seriously, do most people who think there's no such thing as climate change, with part of it is because of how we live, because they studied the science and think scientists are idiots? Or is it because of some crazy policy responses proposed by far lefties?
Earth is 4.3 Billion years old. The climate of Earth has been changing for 4.3 Billion years. The climate of Earth will continue to change for the remainder of the existence of Earth. Humankind is a gnat's fart in relation to the climate history of Earth. Earth's climate has been MUCH more extreme. Long before humans occupied it. "Climate change" is short for income redistribution. That's why it's always tied to a tax of some sort
 
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Not sure when that wind shear is expected but this morning the top of Milton was getting lopped off by it and it just pushed through it, like someone else said Michael did. I assume there is more?
Last I heard today was going to be its peak and then start coming back down for good. It went through an eyewall replacement cycle last night which weakened it, but it's coming back now and a 5 again.
 
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Earth is 4.3 Billion years old. The climate of Earth has been changing for 4.3 Billion years. The climate of Earth will continue to change for the remainder of the existence of Earth. Humankind is a gnat's fart in relation to the climate history of Earth. Earth's climate has been MUCH more extreme. Long before humans occupied it. "Climate change" is short for income redistribution. That's why it's always tied to a tax of some sort
Do you really think climate scientists are this selfish and so ignorant that they are unaware that earth's climate has changed over time? Is this something we should tell them? Do you really think scientists are gonna read this and say "oh shite, I didn't know that. All those years of education wasted." Climate changes from natural disasters have devastated some societies and the little Ice Age was unpleasant for lots of people. Try not to confuse science with public policy and conspiracies about taxes and redistribution pushed by some far lefties.
 

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Do you really think climate scientists are this selfish and so ignorant that they are unaware that earth's climate has changed over time? Is this something we should tell them? Do you really think scientists are gonna read this and say "oh shite, I didn't know that. All those years of education wasted." Climate changes from natural disasters have devastated some societies and the little Ice Age was unpleasant for lots of people. Try not to confuse science with public policy and conspiracies about taxes and redistribution pushed by some far lefties.
"Climate scientists " receive their income from government contracts. They're not independent
 

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"Climate scientists " receive their income from government contracts. They're not independent
Oh no. You figured them out. It's like gravity. We pay taxes to build guard rails on bridges so cars and people don't fall off even though people have been falling down for eons and we're still here. They want to control us with taxes. Screw you Isaac Newton. No one who gets a government contract or is on the public payroll should be trusted. Only trust, uh, some other people. I'd trust a plumber's apprentice over a geologist at a state university on the topic of climate change.
 
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Oh no. You figured them out. It's like gravity. We pay taxes to build guard rails on bridges so cars and people don't fall off even though people have been falling down for eons and we're still here. They want to control us with taxes. Screw you Isaac Newton. No one who gets a government contract or is on the public payroll should be trusted. Only trust, uh, some other people. I'd trust a plumber's apprentice over a geologist at a state university on the topic of climate change.
Dawg61 has re-surfaced
 

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Pucker up, Buttercup…

 
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"Climate scientists " receive their income from government contracts. They're not independent
All of them? They're all (or like 99%) corrupt and cooking their results? No idealistic respect for the scientific method? All across the globe?

I think some of you have never met a scientist in real life.
 

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We have some on here who know a bit about science and are able to add interesting insights on the storm.
 

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Why and how did we get to a place where we think Tampa would not get hit with a major hurricane at some point in time? These storms have always happened and we continue to build bigger, more concentrated and more expensive every time they hit. Insanity anyone?
Of course it was always going to happen. Just like New Orleans 17 years ago. But greed leads to overbuilding and neglecting mitigation efforts. Everyone plays the game of thinking, it won’t happen while I own/insure the properties. But for a lot of people/companies, it inevitably will.
 

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All of them? They're all (or like 99%) corrupt and cooking their results? No idealistic respect for the scientific method? All across the globe?

I think some of you have never met a scientist in real life.
I spent everyday of the pandemic taking care of Covid patients, yet I will be damned if everybody with an internet connection didn’t know more about it than I did
 

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Don't ever listen to a college professor. They work for the government. Many get grants. Don't go to college. It's funded to a large degree by the government. Student loans are federally funded. Don't listen to anyone who ever got one. Read anyone on Twitter, even Russian bots, who call themselves patriot to get the truth. Listen to radio talk show hosts, who, unlike scientists, have no financial incentives to lie or be dishonest. And by all means avoid people who do research or who have read a lot of non-fiction books unless they were written by someone in the news infotainment industry.***
 

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Back on track you say. OK. I have family in the area. It depends on the wobble. If it moves a bit north there will be billions more in damage than if it goes south to Bradenton. You'll still have devastation, some snowbird areas, a few fancy trailer park communities and golf communities, some have more than a few Yankee transplants, but Tampa and St. Pete would be spared much of it. Tampa and St. Pete do have some vulnerable areas: https://en-us.topographic-map.com/m...FoYD2KOb_-iVbCs8bg_aem_ncQIOKl8BlMxTsLq6FXyaA
 

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I don't know about the democrats cooling off the hurricane but I've independently warmed the waters of the Gulf multiple times since the spring, so blame me for those warm currents
 
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