You thought Penn State was going to beat one or both of the top teams in the country with a rookie QB? And you think Franklin is stupid? Thanks for all your advice.
What a bunch of babies
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I don't buy the "rookie quarterback" excuse. It's Allar's second year in the program and yesterday was his tenth start of the season. He's neither a rookie nor inexperienced. The play calling was bad but that's not his fault. OTOH, the crucial fumble was all on him. At this point in the season there's no room for the inexperience excuse. Guys simply need to make plays and the coaches need to be better.
What he conveniently doesn't mention is his overall record against not only these two, but against all Top 10 teams. In short, It's pathetic.
That’s largely the history of PSU football. The numbers don’t lie.
Rookie QB? Perhaps relative to Sean Clifford, but as JF is keen on pointing out, Drew got meaningful snaps last season and started 9 games this season prior to Michigan. It's not exactly as if he's a true freshman playing in his first big game.
Just silly. Penn State needed its 5 star QB to make a couple plays to win each of those games and he didn't/couldn't. Now what percentage of the blame is his versus play calling, line play, deficiencies at WR, lack of explosion from the RBs, who knows. But the idea that winning either of those game with Allar was a pipe dream is pure nonsense.
Franklin wouldn’t beat them with Patrick Mahomes, let alone a college rookie.
Since late in the last century we have rarely been a top 10 team. However, we have consistently been in the 10 - 20 range. That is our fate. It would be nice to be Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State or Michigan, but we aren't them. After the Sandusky debacle and sanctions, we could have degenerated into pitt status. We didn't. We should embrace what we are and accept it. We will finish 10 - 2 this year and go to a great bowl. I am happy with where we are as a football program and am proud to be a Penn Stater. There are about 150 significant college football programs. We are in the top 10% year after year. There are about 125 programs that envy us and would love to be us.
The attitude of most on this board is like the high school guy who got a pretty prom date but is pissed because she isn't the homecoming queen. That attitude makes no sense. Embrace who we are. We are an elite program.
yeah, it pretty much is- he hasn't progressed much, if at all.
The biggest problem is he seems to be regressing, as is Singleton.
I think a lot of what you write is true. The problem is what has transpired at Michigan. They, and Harbaugh, were left for dead after the 2020 season. We had beaten them 2 years in a row. Since then, however, they have become unbeatable. Haven't lost a B1G game in 2 years. Blew out OSU at OSU last year. Just beat us yesterday without their head coach. So I think it's pretty natural for Penn Staters to see what Michigan is doing and ask why they can have this transformation and we can't. I think it's a very fair question.
Interesting you do not mention the coaching. You do bring up an excuse, but no mention of the staff and the head coach?
Tell you what, Franklin has been universally criticized for a horrid coaching job. Find me a defender in the media. Anyone?
so if you can't beat 'em, cheat?
Michigan’s QB was certainly not a rookie and he didn’t look too great either. Good defenses have a tendency to make QB’s look bad.
Yes he has been criticized for some of his decisions. The question is had he made the opposite calls in those situations, would we have won? I think not. He definitely made some mind numbing calls, but that’s not what lost us the game.
I just want competence from the coaching staff. The lack of disciplined play, the gametime decisions, the lack of development, year after year.
The 125 programs that would envy PSU envy the program, not the coaches.
Michigan's quarterback killed Penn State. What were you watching? He did not throw after the middle of the second quarter. He still was near perfect and only passed for less than 10 yards than our 5*. He did not have to pass though. His runs kept their td drives alive and broke our defense. After they got their lead they went on cruise control. They were never threatened. The kid simply managed a game, kept the ball, and did what he was told. He is a winner.
Last year, we had the most experienced QB in college football, who went 7/19 for 120 yards vs. Michigan in the Yurcich/Franklin offense. Our offense was so predictably awful, that Michigan didn’t have to attempt more than one pass (PI) in the entire second half.
He was a better running back than a QB. He didn’t win that game and if you think he did then you know less about football than I thought.
Good lord. His decisions did not cost Penn State the game? They blew up in his face. The game deciding td came after his brutal 4th down call. He cost Penn State a valuable timeout reconsidering going for a fourth down earlier in the 4th quarter. He gave away two points that would have made it a one score game with more than two minutes left in the game, that would have given Penn State a chance to win with a defensive stop.
Just stop the excuse making. Nobody buys it.
This is where we’ve been for almost 30 years and not even that high for many of those years.
He did not win the game? Could have fooled me.
All he did was run? Not bad too, if you look at the results.
Playing quarterback? He managed the game with no errors. He did exactly what his coaches asked.
Results? He won the game.
Good grief, just go on denying the obvious.
You’ll only find them here, where they are a very vocal minority. No Penn Stater I know personally likes and defends Franklin. Calling him out is like admitting defeat or something…
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Strongly agree with this. We could not have asked for a better schedule to get a first time starting QB some experience before being tested. Drew was not ready. There is a pattern to this now. We need to stack running QB's that can pass if we're not going to have an OL. Often (not always) Drew does not get set. His feet are moving or his body is leaning when he passes. A product of rarely having a clean pocket OR Drew is anticipating pressure before it's there.
He won the game single-handedly? Hm, could have fooled me. And when your team is hiding you on offense and you’re the QB, that’s not a big plus for you as a QB. If the roles were reversed and we had won just as Michigan did, this board would be roasting Allar for not passing and the coaches not having any faith in him. At least be consistent .
You don’t think Mahomes would have made a difference yesterday? I guess the question is whether it’s him now or in college.
Just give us Marvin Harrison and we win both games.
It's because they cheated at recruiting during Covid then brazenly cheated at stealing signs. Yesterday's loss will be vacated but it means nothing unless there's wholesale changes to the program.
Personally I think there's a distinction to be made between rookie status and a question of development and execution.
So, It's the Defenses fault for not stopping his runs
or it's Allar's fault because he didn't do exactly what the PSU coaches asked
maybe it's your fault you didn't cheer loud enough.
my God fans like you are insufferable, you deserve better
Could you imagine what it would be like here if Allar dropped that gimmick Philly special pass on 4th down.
Still saving the much feared Pribula package for Rutgers or MSU.Could you imagine what it would be like here if Allar dropped that gimmick Philly special pass on 4th down.
Huh?So, It's the Defenses fault for not stopping his runs
or it's Allar's fault because he didn't do exactly what the PSU coaches asked
maybe it's your fault you didn't cheer loud enough.
my God fans like you are insufferable, you deserve better
Those willing to settle for less often do. It’s the difference between Georgia and Penn State. If we’re going to freeze expectations based on past performance I’d like the PSU administration to find better, more productive ways to spend hundreds of millions of dollars. Start with axing the HC. If we don’t want the things that are going to make us better, because we don’t care about results, why spend money on them?
Allar is playing like a rookie. But that’s on CJF. He sacrificed this year’s version of Allar and our offense on the altar of a 6th year Clifford (who lost to OSU and Michigan anyway) and a not what it used to mean rose bowl against a non elite Utah. He made the choice. Just like those indefensible don’t punt go for it 4th down calls inside your own 30 against osu and Michigan.
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