I will say we made a little progress last season by at least pulling off that win in the Coliseum when the chips were down. That win got us into the playoff. USC had talent and was playing well (played well in that game, especially in 1st half) so that win cannot be dismissed. Unfortunately, we then lose to OSU, Oregon and of course the come from ahead brutal loss to ND. We gotta start with beating Oregon. Have to win that one.
What are your positives & negatives from game #1
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Name the coaches who meet your criteria. Make sure they have a good record vs the top 5.
Don’t worry - he says he ignores people but he still comments on their posts. So you’re not as lucky as you’d hope!
For me the positive was I think PSU got exactly what they wanted from that game. A clean game with very few penalties and no injuries. Allar got to show his calm demeanor and made some nice throws to the new wrs. Both running backs ran hard, especially Allen. Get the o line in slightly better sync and the long runs will come. The D was of course very solid and I expect them to get even better.
My only disappointment was that Allar played the entire third quarter. Unnecessary and puts him at risk. Grunkenmeyer looked pretty good and showed a very solid arm. I guess that's a positive. He needs more game time to be fully ready. The game was won. Grunkemeyer should have come in after the first PSU possession of the third quarter. It's a long season.
It should be a fun season. My only hope is that Franklin doesn't go for it at mid-field on 4th down against the really good teams unless he has no choice. Please please appreciate the value of your punter and defense.
My only disappointment was that Allar played the entire third quarter. Unnecessary and puts him at risk. Grunkenmeyer looked pretty good and showed a very solid arm. I guess that's a positive. He needs more game time to be fully ready. The game was won. Grunkemeyer should have come in after the first PSU possession of the third quarter. It's a long season.
It should be a fun season. My only hope is that Franklin doesn't go for it at mid-field on 4th down against the really good teams unless he has no choice. Please please appreciate the value of your punter and defense.
My only complaint on offense was the constant shuffling on the offense with different formations before the snap. Don’t try to fool people, just line up and out talent them; we have the horses.
I don’t love this 4-2-5 base we run. I think it leaves you open for running qbs and quick hitters up the middle.
I don’t love this 4-2-5 base we run. I think it leaves you open for running qbs and quick hitters up the middle.
I'm tired. Just call yourself an idiot. Running the ball would have limited the plays and experience opportunities for the roster. The clock only stops on incompletions and 1st downs until the ball is set to play. Limited passes would have resulted in a final score of something like 24-9 and you would be crying about how "we" didn't blow them out.
Everyone agrees, that's why they finished top 5 last year and are currently #2. Imagine the Charmin in the other 7 or 8 dozen locker rooms? I'll bet a real man like you could take them on one at a time or all at once.
"deserve a chance....." priceless. I'll bet that was your argument, when you were cut from the jv shadow boxing team.
I'm a newbie. Please list "multiple" games where PSU has won vs #1, on the road, in the past 30 years.
Very little changes in football except terminology. When I played and coached, the 5-2 Oklahoma was a very popular defensive set.
Today, it's a 3-4 and the DE are now OLB. We often ran our 52 with a rover or monster. Today, they'd probably call him a nickle or something like that. So the defense I ran might be called a 3-5-3? Sounds scary.....
I'm guessing that the 4-2-5 is basically an old school 4-3, designed to put a high bred S/LB on the field. Based on the down and distance perhaps it can be a DB or if the situation calls a more traditional LB type?
Joe revolutionized defensive football in 67 or 68 when he stood a guy up in what used to be called a split 6 and called him a LB. He found studs that could still play the run from the inside eye of a TE and were athletic enough to play in space if they split out. This became the split 4 base that many colleges played in the 70's and I contend was the blue print for Buddy Ryan's famed 46.
I just read this
“I get it,” says Kraft, entering his third year as athletic director. “We all sign up for it. We all come to Penn State to win national championships. I know (James Franklin) doesn’t run away from it. I sure don’t. It’s why I came here and why we’re investing. You don’t come to Penn State to be mediocre.
last word is important
“I get it,” says Kraft, entering his third year as athletic director. “We all sign up for it. We all come to Penn State to win national championships. I know (James Franklin) doesn’t run away from it. I sure don’t. It’s why I came here and why we’re investing. You don’t come to Penn State to be mediocre.
last word is important
You can pretend whatever you want. Most reasonable people would see someone spending the majority of their posting time criticizing (over and over ... and over and over ... and over and over again) an objectively very successful coach ... trying desperately to find whatever angle du jour in order to do so ... and label that as "hate."
We've seen it ... the twisting of anything and everything in order to get a dig in (like saying he's done during a game we come back to win, or saying he needs to be replaced after a loss, but prior to a successful playoff run ... or characterizing big games we win as insignificant so you can claim we lose every significant game.)
But, hey, if you want to hype up a win or two that the program had 40-50 years ago, during the Sandusky era, as "proof" that an objectively successful coach in today's era needs to be replaced ... and then repeat that hundreds of times ... and then claim that's not borne of hate ... well, again, I'd HATE to see how you treat folks you actually hate.
Just because you down play every win doesn’t make you right. And how does being happy with 10-2 make someone a “fanboy”? I guess 8-4 with a win over someone you feel is a good team would be better. Of course, that won’t work, because if we beat them, you will say they’re not a good team.
Tengwell gives a good example of why the run blocking was poor in terms of technique . He indicates in a reply that it is easily correctable. Obviously we should trust his assessment, but I am concerned a veteran line can make those mistakes.
They reshuffled the deck by moving Donkoh to RG. Perhaps, that will prove to be a wise move, or perhaps they should have left things alone.
This is the time of year that they are going to try a lot of different combinations..... grade them out on film..... make adjustments. There is no substitute for actual game film/performance which is why teams often make their biggest improvement from week 1 to 2.
Yep. Except here we are with the usual suspects complaining about the OL.
but they're the right color
I will only accept Al Golden as our next coach if he vows to go back to the dress shirt and tie.
Just my opinion, but I'd like to see Cooper Cousins get the RG job and Donkoh be used as a backup tackle and situational (short yardage, goal line, etc.) 6th O-lineman
Our top choices for PSU head coach, in no particular order:
Munchak
Golden
Rhule
Schiano
Munchak
Golden
Rhule
Schiano
The one play I did see with Cooper, in as (I think a pseudo FB), he got pancaked by the DE.
It is not difficult to verify:
There are two ways of "counting":
1) Based on the ranking of the opponent at the time they played
or
2) Based on the opponents final ranking (which probably makes a lot more sense when you are looking at a team you played early in the season, when the rankings are pretty meaningless)
Based on ranking when game was played, since 2014:
PSU is 1-15 vs Top 5
4-20 vs Top 10
16-28 vs all Ranked
Based on final rankings:
PSU is 0-15 vs Top 5
4-22 vs Top 10
12-31 vs all Ranked.
No need to argue about something that is so easily and unambiguously available.
Is that good? bad? mediocre?
That is something that could be debated.
Someone will probably wonder what Paterno's records were:
15-38 vs Top 5
37-49 vs Top 10
94-85 vs all Ranked
Obviously, well above recent record in all areas.
That is also undebatable.
Some other recent coaches vs ranked teams through 2024:
Day 24-9
Smart 37-15
Swinney 40-27
Lanning 10-6
Sarkisian 21-33
DeBoer 15-3
Riley 18-15
Rhule 2-22
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CJF said in the post-game presser that PSU, "...played 73 players in the game. There's a ton of value in that."
This is a sleeper pick for the single biggest "positive" of the game. I agree that it is hugely beneficial to have the non-starters get significant reps in a real game situation, even against a cupcake opponent.
Beyond that, the defense had 17 "havoc" plays throughout the game, which was a strong showing. Obviously, DDS had a big game, and the defense, while maybe not having quite as easy a time in some spots as we might have hoped/expected, did look good, overall.
The offense, I thought, looked adequate. Some people have suggested they were intentionally coached as though this was a scrimmage, and that may indeed be the case. But either way, I don't think it's realistic to say that they looked particularly impressive at any point. A few drops on less-than-perfect balls (that probably should have been caught). Kaytron looked pretty good, but Singleton was contained.
Drew got sacked once, and we got dropped for 6 total TFL.
Going into the game, there was a dominant narrative that, "We won't learn much from this," and I think we have to acknowledge that is more or less the truth.
Nevertheless, 1-0. Bring on Florida International (who did us the courtesy of also going 1-0).
This is a sleeper pick for the single biggest "positive" of the game. I agree that it is hugely beneficial to have the non-starters get significant reps in a real game situation, even against a cupcake opponent.
Beyond that, the defense had 17 "havoc" plays throughout the game, which was a strong showing. Obviously, DDS had a big game, and the defense, while maybe not having quite as easy a time in some spots as we might have hoped/expected, did look good, overall.
The offense, I thought, looked adequate. Some people have suggested they were intentionally coached as though this was a scrimmage, and that may indeed be the case. But either way, I don't think it's realistic to say that they looked particularly impressive at any point. A few drops on less-than-perfect balls (that probably should have been caught). Kaytron looked pretty good, but Singleton was contained.
Drew got sacked once, and we got dropped for 6 total TFL.
Going into the game, there was a dominant narrative that, "We won't learn much from this," and I think we have to acknowledge that is more or less the truth.
Nevertheless, 1-0. Bring on Florida International (who did us the courtesy of also going 1-0).
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The metric is vs top 5. The top 5 are usually in the neighborhood of 55-5 during the regular season.
0 wins vs the top 5.Our top choices for PSU head coach, in no particular order:
Munchak
Golden
Rhule
Schiano
Im not concerned about what we call it, I’m concerned because I think it’s being done to hide LB depth. Secondary is going to have to come up more to stop the run. Leaves us open for down field throws more often. See how it plays out as the season develops.
Once again we saw a college football record. 50% of all competing teams lost.
Sucks to be Alabama, Texas, Notre Dame and Clemson.
Winning is hard.
Sucks to be Alabama, Texas, Notre Dame and Clemson.
Winning is hard.
Well I can't prove it isn't about "hiding" something. But, it doesn't appear to deviate from the format of what Knowles has done in the past. I trust most division one coaches to find schemes that put their 11 best players on the field. Looking at the other side of the ball....how much #2 tight end plays, will be determined in part, by how good WR#3 performs.
I haven't made a of study of it, but in watching college games, it seems rare to see alot of 2 running back sets. So if the offense is geared to more wide outs....doesn't it make sense to put more safety types on the field?
I'll bet when we go to Iowa, one of the "5" will be a LB most of the time.
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Give them all a chance......These 10-11 win seasons are boring. We deserve better. I remember when PSU football was popular.Our top choices for PSU head coach, in no particular order:
Munchak
Golden
Rhule
Schiano
Fire Franklin. He called and missed a 2 point conversion. What next? He must be stopped. He makes decisions like he's a dictator. He refuses to give money to high school kids. Things can't possibly get worse. We need to start beating Ohio State like everyone else does. We have resources.It’s hard for Franklin. Notice that everyone else does it.
I agree with Cousins at RG. I think the issue may be that Donkoh is too good to be a backup and when he was injured last year, Rucci showed he deserves the spot also. So, they have two starting RTs and they are trying to accommodate both, but it looked a little disjointed or something. And where is J’ven Williams and Birchmeier? Did they play in the second half? They were prized OL recruits, but have rarely seen the field.
Paterno was 13-33 vs top 5 over 46 seasons. 8 of this wins came in the 80’s. So, across the 60’s, 70’s, 90’s and 2000’s he only had 5 wins against top 5 competition. He was 1-9 in his first ten games against top 5 competition and didn’t win his second game against a top 5 opponent until his 13th season as head coach. His third win against top 5 competition didn’t come until 1981. He was 0-4 against Bear Bryant and had losing records vs Tressel, Carr, and Ferentz. He also once lost 9 in a row to Michigan.
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