We've obviously settled on 2 RB's and not playing Keyvone Lee - I think that helps the running game. Maybe we aren't trying to do much with Van Buren so the simplicity is allowing him to thrive.
What is making Van Buren more successful than Shapen?...
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Could be. I think Van Buren's just a better quarterback. He's making good decisions. He looks like he's going through progressions somewhat where Shapen would tend to tuck and run if the first option and a half weren't there. When the ball leaves Van Buren's hands, I have some level of confidence that it's going to find our guys and not the defense. I didn't have that confidence in Shapen once Week 2 started.
He’s the backup. They’re always better
Just him getting game reps is helping, whether in a simplified game plan or not. He makes FR mistakes, but steadily improving, I think. He made a few throws Saturday in a collapsing pocket that amazed me they even made it out, not to mention completed.
My question is in the running game. He is obviously been instructed to give himself up on runs. If he were more of a consistent threat to run it would help our overall running game. Is MVB at all a dual threat QB?
My question is in the running game. He is obviously been instructed to give himself up on runs. If he were more of a consistent threat to run it would help our overall running game. Is MVB at all a dual threat QB?
He just looks like a better QB to me. He makes better decisions and throws a better ball.
He’s really athletic- with our OL troubles, you have to have someone who can escape pressure. It’s an added bonus that he seems to be really comfortable seeing his 2nd and 3rd read.
Think Lebby has settled in which has led to more offensive success. Think Lebby didnt realize how bad we were at certain positions... and now has a better grasp on what we can and cannot do as a unit.
Is he? Shapen has a higher efficiency rating 166.9 to 125.7, a higher percentage completion 68.5%-53.5%, and more passing yards per game 243.5-158.4. Granted MVB has played against the best two teams that we have faced and I believe that he has a higher ceiling but I'm not sure that I can say that MVB has been more successful than Shapen.
A running game. Van Buren hasn't been a better QB than Shapen was.
Is he? He has 31 carries for -5 yards on the year along with 11 sacks. No doubt that he’s a step up from Rogers, but he’s far from a dual threat based on what I’ve seen so far
Shapen is a good QB and throws a great deep ball. Unfortunately he played games behind an OL that didn’t know what they were doing to start the season. Then he tried to do too much and took himself out. If he was still playing now, his numbers would have been great.
MVB is playing great for a freshmen’s thrown into the fire but he’s still learning and missing some throws. If he puts a couple of slants in Craver’s chest he has several more TDs. Luckily for him, he’s playing on a terrible team with no expectations so he can play with raw emotion and learn on the job. Next year is different and us fans don’t see them every day on the practice field.
we just need to be very careful not to anoint him as QB Jesus for the next 3 years because anything can happen in this crazy NIL world.
MVB is playing great for a freshmen’s thrown into the fire but he’s still learning and missing some throws. If he puts a couple of slants in Craver’s chest he has several more TDs. Luckily for him, he’s playing on a terrible team with no expectations so he can play with raw emotion and learn on the job. Next year is different and us fans don’t see them every day on the practice field.
we just need to be very careful not to anoint him as QB Jesus for the next 3 years because anything can happen in this crazy NIL world.
To me it just seems like Shapen was almost looking to run and not look for the pass whereas it’s the opposite for MVB. Thats just in the limited time I’ve watched both this year.
Don’t honestly feel like he’s been a ton different. We’ve just been running the ball better to complement things. We had fewer than 100 rushing yards combined against ASU and Toledo.
Will has carried 27 times for -1.7 yards this season so he's definitely more athletic than MVB.
Yeah, this is what I was coming here to say. Van Buren may well be better than Shapen in the future, but he hasn't shown that he is right now. Van Buren is pretty bad on the short routes that should be routine passes.
I like Van Buren a lot for the future though. Count me in as one of his boys.
Because how elusive he is in what some might call a pocket. I refer it to the nanoseconds following the snap.
Fortunately, he reads the situation quick, and he has a quick release.
except for the sacks... He needs to get a better grasp the concept that +0 is better than -7 (or more).
I’m also liking the creativity we are seeing from Lebby. That swing pass to Coleman to score from inside the 10 was a thing of beauty and not something we have ever really seen in the passing game at MSU.
I’m intrigued to see what happens when Lebby can really open it up, pace-wise and with the movement, once he has a QB he can trust to run it all. Whether that is MVB next year or a portal QB, who knows.
El Presidente is simply a damn STUD! Shapen would be a great backup. MVB sees the field and processes so much better than Shapen it's crazy.
MVB has a stiff throwing motion and minimal foot work in the pocket. He needs to shift his feet and put weight onto his lead foot and aim his body toward the target. Most times, like Shapen, he is facing the line when he releases which is probably a quicker but more inaccurate way to throw. Hopefully, he can be coached up since he is a freshmen. News flash, the fake throw after the hand off doesn't fool anybody.
Which is why I hated that almost every play seemingly went thru the rb’s gut first. MVB was not even threatening to keep it. It caused just enough of a delay that Elko crashed from the ends in the 2nd half and basically shut us down.
I’d be interested to see if he will get MVB out of the pocket more and have him throw on the move
You can't help but worry that another school calls and offers twice whatever we are paying to MVB. Of course this is a worry for any school under the new screwed up system.
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