What would you rather have?
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No, the irony is you specifically pointed out to someone else that the thread was asking what you prefer. And then you **** on people for telling you what they prefer.
I agree with what you’re saying as far as what is better for the university but that was not the question.
In other words, morons exist, yourself among them. Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe, next time write it in crayon for the other mouth breathers.
What this poll reveals is that there is a not insignificant part of our fan base who would rather the University go in the toilet athletically as long as their niche sport is serviced. Seriously you'd do less damage cheering for Ole Miss than you would trying to prioritize baseball.
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If we go 6-6 with a win over Univ of Northern MS, then lets do some rational assuming. That probably means we beat the 4 out of conference teams (2023 records 3-9 AZ St, 5-6 E. KY, 11-3 Toledo, and 3-9 UMASS) and Black Bears, that's 5 wins. That means we go 1-6 in the SEC against the rest and go to a shi tty a ss bowl game, at best. Does that really excite you? That's basically saying you have an extreme hard on against Univ of N MS because the rest of that schedule and results totally sucks.......
for those selecting baseball
edited to add: everyone choosing to grill a bratwurst in the left field lounge next year over ruining ole miss’s most anticipated football season in decades can go to hell.
POTUS we’ve had some disagreements in the past, but this was well said.
I’ll give you a write-in vote on the upcoming election.
I get what you’re saying.
In this instance, although it’s a “preference” there’s an answer that’s pretty destructive. For a number of reasons.
As I said earlier, I think this poll would look a lot different in September.
I live in East Tennessee. 2024 football goes 6-6 with a win over Tennessee would be even sweeter than 2024 football goes 6-6 with a win over Ole Miss.
So what do you think is the floor vs. what is the ceiling with this State football team this fall? If 8 regular season wins were to be the floor, then yes this would be coming up on the short end of the stick. I personally think you want a replication of that famous 2007 team that went 7-5 (4-4) and got to 8-5 with the bowl win (didn't win with style points). That would be as solid of a campaign that Lebby could ask for.
Hahaha. Man you got me good. I quit letting stuff like this bother me in the 6th grade.
No, it means that we have a first year coach that came into a ****** situation and not only overachieved, but finished the year on a high note.
People are free to prefer what they want to prefer, but financially, there's no question that making a good football hire is more important than losing in the first weekend of the NCAA in basketball or hosting a regional in baseball.
6-6 in football is a bad year. Beating OM doesn't somehow make it a good year, nor does it add wins to the record. I hate OM as much as anyone but 99% of us have lives that are completely unaffected whether we win or lose to them. Of course we'd rather go 6-6 with the egg than without it, but going 6-6 with an egg bowl win earns us a bid to a terrible bowl. We'd have more fans show up at a Super Regional at the Dude than the Jiffy Peanut Butter Celebration Bowl in BFE.
All this it has to be this or that….I am a MS State fan, I want to be the best at everything. I will show up and ring my artificial noise maker at anyone who dares to try us.
So is 7-5 (4-4) the floor? If so, I can live with that. We'd have a shot at an 8th win if that were the case.
It’s cute that you presume that we’re not already in the toilet athletically, which is why many folks want their supported sports to survive.
But yeah please be demonstrative about the need to protect our border at Sturgis. **
We suck at football.
Other SEC programs want to fund their programs at the expense of other sports so why not just continue to do the bare minimum for football — which in the conference is what State historically does — and emphasize other programs if the money and funding exists?
6-6 with a first year coach after the **** show we had last year would be pretty encouraging.
Hosting in baseball would be great because it would mean Lemonis figured things out and avoided a rebuild year, but it still doesn't move the needle as much as having a good hire in football.
Football only because we have a first-year coach. I'd value a non-losing season much higher than the other options, with or without an egg bowl win.
It would be very encouraging. It would feel like we did at the end of 2009 with a hungry Dan Mullen moving us in a positive direction plus a trip to Birmingham and extra bowl practices.
Damn. It is truly wild to see the lengths people will go to draw conclusions about someone else’s stated intentions from a personal opinion.
It wasn’t even stated anywhere in the poll that there was an assumption of the other 2 unchosen outcomes would automatically revert to the worst-case scenario for those teams / programs. The only question was, if you could totally lock in only one outcome, with the other 2 being complete unknowns, which would you choose?
It’s a very common sense approach to choose the outcome with the highest ceiling for overall achievement for that team / season. And that is clearly the baseball option, if that’s your approach.
A 6-6 football season with a win over Ole Miss isn’t going to move the needle at all for MSU any more than a 5-7 season with an Egg Bowl loss. Just isn’t. It’s not going to boost recruiting / NIL to anywhere it wasn’t going already, nor will it tank it at 5-7. It’s just another in a long line of mediocre MSU football seasons at the end of the day.
Same with basketball. We make the round of 32….who really cares? Making the Sweet 16 would be something, but that wasn’t a choice. And even that, again, isn’t going to change anything for us long term. And its a massive reach to assume that we’re ever going to get any further that the Sweet 16 anytime in the near future unless the powers that be collectively decide to throw football to the wolves, which won’t happen.
Because football is the meal ticket for every other sport. Keep doing bare minimum in football and there is a non-zero chance MSU is not part of the next evolution of college football. Oregon St. & Wazzu would be early examples. At that point, all the other sports go down the drain. You think the Dude is selling out when we’re in CUSA? You’re gonna say, there’s no way that happens. Just think about what all has happened in college athletics in the last 10-15 years that if we were to go back and tell our 2008 selves, we wouldn’t believe. But it did happen.
I voted Baseball. But not because I wouldn't love to see football beat Ole Miss. But I feel 99% confident if State is 5-6 and goes into Oxford with the Bears at 9-2, not only will the Bears win but they will curb stomp the Dogs! Who the hell thinks State would have more to play for than Ole Miss in that scenario. Hell, the Dead Injuns have time and time again arisen to crap on State when an opportunity was right in front of them! 2014, even after losing to Alabama in a knock-down drag out game, keeping State in the Top 4, The Dogs crapped all up and down John Howard Vaught-Earnest Hemingway Stadium Field rolling over and playing dead in a game that with a win could have quite possibly kept State in the Top 4, even with not playing in the SEC Championship. So #1 is at least 99.9% impossible. Now if you had said 7-5 with the 7th win over Ole Miss, I think that might be doable simply because then ALL the pressure would be on them.
Increased funding of MSU football would not change that there will still be a non-zero chance.
Early examples of being the secondary universities in those states who were jettisoned.
MSU, Kansas State, & Iowa State are next in line.
Here’s what would more likely happen:
We’d be in a new secondary football league to the elite which could include ag schools, Vanderbilt, and that ilk.
You're looking at MSU the only school being in a vacuum. We won’t be the only school affected positively or negatively so don’t be a headless chicken crying about State to the CUSA.
The post you replied to simply mentioned that people have different tastes and different favorite sports. It said nothing about a person automatically wanting the university to go in the toilet athletically, or wanting football to not succeed (whatever that even means for us), just because they prefer another sport to football.
It’s also not really clear how a random fan moves any particular sport forward or backward due to preferring it or not preferring it.
Example - I’d rather do well in baseball than women’s basketball. I won’t ever pay attention to women’s basketball unless they are on the doorstep of a national title. BUT, I still want MSU to do well in women’s basketball. And I don’t feel I’m helping assure the destruction of MSU women’s basketball by being the fairest of fair weather fans of it. Do you disagree?
I'm not panicked at all. I'm just shocked at how obtuse some of our fanbase is. The scenario you lay out is incredibly bleak. Throw up as many gifs as you'd like, it would be really depressing. You're basically describing what Southern Miss is now.
If MSU athletics is a car. Football is the engine. Baseball is the heated seats. There are some folks in our fanbase who don't care if the engine falls into disrepair as long as the seats are still heated. Sure we may not be able to drive anywhere, but those heated seats sure are nice. That's how I see this. No one is saying you can't like heated seats. I'm saying if you don't realize they're useless without the engine, then you're fooling yourself.
ETA: many, many spelling errors.
"Other SEC programs want to fund their programs at the expense of other sports so why not just continue to do the bare minimum for football — which in the conference is what State historically does — and emphasize other programs if the money and funding exists? "
Good idea in theory but the fact is most other SEC programs can fund football heavily and still out fund us in baseball out of their "petty cash".
Good idea in theory but the fact is most other SEC programs can fund football heavily and still out fund us in baseball out of their "petty cash".
Many could.
There’s no doubt about that.
But if Ole Miss can’t fund baseball while going for glory in football, why should us Mississippi Smiths try to keep up in football with Ol’ Miss Jones?
Let the Rebels be Icarus and fall to the ground in their effort to fly sky high.
More people watched us play Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowl (talking TV) than watched us win a national championship in baseball. Yes, I'm serious.
Just for some perspective, the Liberty Bowl (with Memphis and Iowa State) had 3.6 million viewers. Not exactly two blue bloods. Last year's College World Series (with two blue bloods) drew 2.8 million.
Even bottom tier bowls are far more important than college baseball (and so is the NCAA basketball tournament for that matter). It's not close...it's not even in the same universe. Thankfully we have an AD that understands that.
Even bottom tier bowls are far more important than college baseball (and so is the NCAA basketball tournament for that matter). It's not close...it's not even in the same universe. Thankfully we have an AD that understands that.
The situation is bleak but is it better to waste money in pursuit of an unattainable prize or know your limitations, plan accordingly, and be self-sustainable.
Slight correction. Since it’s the south, I’d quibble and also argue that baseball is air conditioning but I’ll let you keep it.
We agree about the importance of the engine but disagree as to what represents it.
We made bowl games for a decade, and one bad hire, and we were back I’m on the trash heap. Thank God for Leach, who came in and restored order.
Then we make another bad hire, and now we will see on Lebby. But the problem is, as outlined before, we have to fight NIL/portal. This is not Mullen’s 2008, where we could talk about 6 hour radius and development of Tunica diamonds. AND, we have to get to 10-2, which was already happening about once every 15 years. Bowl games simply do not matter anymore, only the playoff. So it just seems illogical that we can compete the way so many of you think we can, which is by going out and trying to outspend people.
So, I choose to be a winner. And I won’t lie, letting go of MSU football sucks. Leach’s death just did me in. I was like, “finally, we have a niche coach and a guy whose name cache can help us recruit during the new era, and he will be here for a decade”. But nope, the dead ones took him. I’m just glad I made some good family memories during 2021 and 2022. Our fans didn’t appreciate any of it, they never saw what could be built, now we’re back doing the same ole shlt like it’s 2006. It’s not that we aren’t spending money, it’s that it’s a futile effort.
But oh well, it’s NFL for me now. And MSU baseball, of course.
ETA: This poll tells the tale. Our fanbase is split, and there are a little less than half of us that want to pick a winner. I bet those people all semi- understand that we need a different type of football coach, not Selmon’s buddy, the easy hire. The problem is, slightly over half don’t even recognize the real problem.
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This is the only answer that counts. I know it's not one of the choices, but dammit why is this question even being posed. The poll is a loser attitude in itself. Talk about ironic, we are arguing about mediocre results for the largest university in Mississippi with an athletic budget north or $100 million and this is the best we can come up with? God, we are hopeless. We should have all three.
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