What would you rather have?

[Perd Hapley]

I'm not panicked at all. I'm just shocked at how obtuse some of our fanbase is. The scenario you lay out is incredibly bleak. Throw up as many gifs as you'd like, it would be really depressing. You're basically describing what Southern Miss is now.

If MSU athletics is a car. Football is the engine. Baseball is the heated seats. There are some folks in our fanbase who don't care if the engine falls into disrepair as long as the seats are still heated. Sure we may not be able to drive anywhere, but those heated seats sure are nice. That's how I see this. No one is saying you can't like heated seats. I'm saying if you don't realize they're useless without the engine, then you're fooling yourself.

ETA: many, many spelling errors.

A better and more specific analogy is that MSU athletics is not just any car. It’s a Jeep Wrangler. Yes, football is the engine. And the engine has to run for you to drive somewhere. But because this particular engine and powertrain as a whole were designed and manufactured on the cheap from the very 17ing beginning of human history, guess what? The damn thing is always going to break down at some point unexpectedly (and somewhat frequently), no matter what you do. Spend all the money you want to try and put lipstick on the pig. Put a fancy snorkel intake on there. Slap a turbocharger or supercharger on there. Flowmaster exhaust, change the oil every 500 miles, injector cleaner, etc. None of it matters. Because it was built on the cheap and corners had to necessarily be cut to keep the price point where it was for the core customer base. And because of all that, the damn thing is inevitably going to break….and perhaps break often. Also remember that when the engine its not broken or breaking, its still not built to outrun the Lamborghini’s….or outhaul the F-350’s….both of which reside in the same fancy neighborhood. Even if you had the exact same engine as one of those, there would be no room to fit it between the radiator and the firewall of the Wrangler. Too many design limitations.

As for MSU baseball, it isn’t the heated seats. Lots of vehicles have heated seats. Its actually the removable shell top and doors. The features that are unique to this very specific vehicle. No, it doesn’t actually get you from Point A to Point B, but it makes the journey a lot more fun and different than any other ride out there. And it still looks pretty damn cool with it undressed when its sitting in the driveway, even if the thing won’t even crank. Makes it an enjoyable place to sit with the high school girlfriend and make out right before curfew, or a nice place to sit and enjoy a beer or 2 with a friend or neighbor while taking a break and listening to some tunes off the battery power….all while the hood’s up due to you having to take some more time to inevitably work on the engine.

And even when the whole thing is running well, the ride as a whole is still inevitably going to be rough and bumpy, with a lot of road noise, and something about almost every trip is going to be disappointing in some shape or form. But ever so often, once in a blue moon, you’ll get to take it in crawl mode on a mountain trail, or get a call from your buddy who has 200 acres and some muddy obstacles to run through. And those will be great experiences. And you’ll tell yourself, “Man, I knew I loved this 17-ing ride! I’m gonna make sure to stay in touch with that buddy of mine, and this trip to his land is gonna be an every year thing! And same thing for my vacation time….gonna make that 8 hr drive to the mountains more often, too”. But, you’ll find that you can’t, or won’t. And if / when you finally do, right before that next big trip you hype yourself up for, you’ll throw a conrod through the block while idling in the Chick Fil A drive thru, and the whole thing will get cancelled. Such is life as a Jeep owner.

So, what’s the best way for your wallet and your sanity to own such a vehicle long term? I’d say its certainly not to continue blowing exponentially more and more money on engine repairs at the shop, or bigger / cooler / nicer engine aftermarket parts or mods….because you think THIS time its gonna be different. I’d say its to be handy. Do the grunt work of figuring out how to fix the engine yourself. Figure out where to get the low cost replacements that still do the job. So what if you grabbed an entire short block from that early 90’s model CJ7 that was in an LKQ junkyard? And so what if it had truck nuts on the trailer hitch that the old driver ripped off of someone else’s F-150? Had nothing to do with whether the engine worked or not. Figure out what sensors and o-rings and pumps and gaskets can spell trouble quickly if they go bad, keep them stocked and ready to go when needed. Be individually innovative there.

And as for the more unique features of the vehicle? That’s straightforward. Don’t break the bank there either. But never neglect to do the low cost things that may not greatly affect the resale value, but do ensure long lasting enjoyment. Always keep those door hinges greased to keep out seizure / corrosion so you can keep riding with the doors off. Keep that Armorall on all the leather upholstery to prevent that sun damage when the top is dropped. Maybe add in an extra console compartment for expected or unexpected panty storage. None of that means you don’t care about the engine, it just means you also care about the unique and individual characteristics of the vehicle, too.

Do all the above, and you can be somewhat satisfied with your “purchase”.

 

[85Bears]

We made bowl games for a decade, and one bad hire, and we were back I’m on the trash heap. Thank God for Leach, who came in and restored order.

Then we make another bad hire, and now we will see on Lebby. But the problem is, as outlined before, we have to fight NIL/portal. This is not Mullen’s 2008, where we could talk about 6 hour radius and development of Tunica diamonds. AND, we have to get to 10-2, which was already happening about once every 15 years. Bowl games simply do not matter anymore, only the playoff. So it just seems illogical that we can compete the way so many of you think we can, which is by going out and trying to outspend people.

So, I choose to be a winner. And I won’t lie, letting go of MSU football sucks. Leach’s death just did me in. I was like, “finally, we have a niche coach and a guy whose name cache can help us recruit during the new era, and he will be here for a decade”. But nope, the dead ones took him. I’m just glad I made some good family memories during 2021 and 2022. Our fans didn’t appreciate any of it, they never saw what could be built, now we’re back doing the same ole shlt like it’s 2006. It’s not that we aren’t spending money, it’s that it’s a futile effort.

But oh well, it’s NFL for me now. And MSU baseball, of course.

ETA: This poll tells the tale. Our fanbase is split, and there are a little less than half of us that want to pick a winner. I bet those people all semi- understand that we need a different type of football coach, not Selmon’s buddy, the easy hire. The problem is, slightly over half don’t even recognize the real problem.

Hard to believe last year the run the ball smash mouth fans thought this philosophy of talent on talent was the answer in the age of $$&NIL/portal. This is the height of stupidity as we all saw. The era of nfl D lineman being signed in state is just not realistic. Those guys will be signing big contracts with the Alabama, Georgia, Auburn before they graduate from high school.

you have to set money aside for sports where you can actually compete at the highest levels, baseball and basketball, otherwise you will just suck in all three.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I love message boards. I have been coming on here and reading since the very beginning. One thing I have never been able to process is how some people think they can decide what someone else prefers. It is actually hilarious. The question is.....LITERALLY "Which would you rather have" and you are flying off the rails. Guess what, there are people in our fanbase that would rather win a track meet that ever win another football game. No matter how big a hissy fit you throw that's what they like. Get over it....or don't.

Oh. I chose baseball. In your face.

They have to figure out some way to make the summer go by but keep it MSU-centered.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

A better and more specific analogy is that MSU athletics is not just any car. It’s a Jeep Wrangler.

Southern Miss…

 

[OG Goat Holder]

A better and more specific analogy is that MSU athletics is not just any car. It’s a Jeep Wrangler. Yes, football is the engine. And the engine has to run for you to drive somewhere. But because this particular engine and powertrain as a whole was designed and manufactured on the cheap from the very 17ing beginning of human history, guess what? The damn thing is always going to break down at some point unexpectedly (and somewhat frequently), no matter what you do. Spend all the money you want to try and put lipstick on the pig. Put a fancy snorkel intake on there. Slap a turbocharger or supercharger on there. Flowmaster exhaust, change the oil every 500 miles, injector cleaner, etc. None of it matters. Because it was built on the cheap and corners had to necessarily be cut to keep the price point where it was for the core customer base. And because of all that, the damn thing is inevitably going to break….and perhaps break often.

As for MSU baseball, it isn’t the heated seats. Lots of vehicles have heated seats. Its actually the removable shell top and doors. The features that are unique to this very specific vehicle. No, it doesn’t actually get you from Point A to Point B, but it makes the journey a lot more fun and different than any other ride out there. And it still looks pretty damn cool with it undressed when its sitting in the driveway, even if the thing won’t even crank. Makes it an enjoyable place to sit with the high school girlfriend and make out right before curfew, or a nice place to sit and enjoy a beer or 2 with a friend or neighbor while taking a break and listening to some tunes off the battery power….all while the hood’s up due to you having to take some more time to inevitably work on the engine.

And even when the whole thing is running well, the ride as a whole is still inevitably going to be rough and bumpy, with a lot of road noise, and something about almost every trip is going to be disappointing in some shape or form. But ever so often, once in a blue moon, you’ll get to take it in crawl mode on a mountain trail, or get a call from your buddy who has 200 acres and some muddy obstacles to run through. And those will be great experiences. And you’ll tell yourself, “Man, I knew I loved this 17-ing ride! I’m gonna make sure to stay in touch with that buddy of mine, and this trip to his land is gonna be an every year thing! And same thing for my vacation time….gonna make that 8 hr drive to the mountains more often, too”. But, you’ll find that you can’t, or won’t. And if / when you finally do, right before that next big trip you hype yourself up for, you’ll throw a conrod through the block while idling in the Chick Fil A drive thru, and the whole thing will get cancelled. Such is life as a Jeep owner.

So, what’s the best way for your wallet and your sanity to own such a vehicle long term? I’d say its certainly not to continue blowing exponentially more and more money on engine repairs at the shop, or bigger / cooler / nicer engine aftermarket parts or mods….because you think THIS time its gonna be different. I’d say its to be handy. Do the grunt work of figuring out how to fix the engine yourself. Figure out where to get the low cost replacements that still do the job. So what if you grabbed an entire short block from that early 90’s model CJ7 was in an LKQ junkyard? And so what if it had truck nuts on the trailer hitch that the old driver ripped off of someone else’s F-150? Had nothing to do with whether the engine worked or not. Figure out what sensors and o-rings and pumps and gaskets can spell trouble quickly if they go bad, keep them stocked and ready to go when needed. Be individually innovative there.

And as for the more unique features of the vehicle? That’s straightforward. Don’t break the bank there either. But never neglect to do the low cost things that may not greatly affect the resale value, but do ensure long lasting enjoyment. Always keep those door hinges greased to keep out seizure / corrosion so you can keep riding with the doors off. Keep that Armorall on all the leather upholstery to prevent that sun damage. Maybe add in an extra console compartment for expected or unexpected panty storage. None of that means you don’t care about the engine, it just means you also care about the unique and individual characteristics of the vehicle, too.

Do all the above, and you can be somewhat satisfied with your “purchase”.

Outstanding analogy. Slow clap.

 

[RopeDawg]

A better and more specific analogy is that MSU athletics is not just any car. It’s a Jeep Wrangler. Yes, football is the engine. And the engine has to run for you to drive somewhere. But because this particular engine and powertrain as a whole were designed and manufactured on the cheap from the very 17ing beginning of human history, guess what? The damn thing is always going to break down at some point unexpectedly (and somewhat frequently), no matter what you do. Spend all the money you want to try and put lipstick on the pig. Put a fancy snorkel intake on there. Slap a turbocharger or supercharger on there. Flowmaster exhaust, change the oil every 500 miles, injector cleaner, etc. None of it matters. Because it was built on the cheap and corners had to necessarily be cut to keep the price point where it was for the core customer base. And because of all that, the damn thing is inevitably going to break….and perhaps break often. Also remember that when the engine its not broken or breaking, its still not built to outrun the Lamborghini’s….or outhaul the F-350’s….both of which reside in the same fancy neighborhood. Even if you had the exact same engine as one of those, there would be no room to fit it between the radiator and the firewall of the Wrangler. Too many design limitations.

As for MSU baseball, it isn’t the heated seats. Lots of vehicles have heated seats. Its actually the removable shell top and doors. The features that are unique to this very specific vehicle. No, it doesn’t actually get you from Point A to Point B, but it makes the journey a lot more fun and different than any other ride out there. And it still looks pretty damn cool with it undressed when its sitting in the driveway, even if the thing won’t even crank. Makes it an enjoyable place to sit with the high school girlfriend and make out right before curfew, or a nice place to sit and enjoy a beer or 2 with a friend or neighbor while taking a break and listening to some tunes off the battery power….all while the hood’s up due to you having to take some more time to inevitably work on the engine.

And even when the whole thing is running well, the ride as a whole is still inevitably going to be rough and bumpy, with a lot of road noise, and something about almost every trip is going to be disappointing in some shape or form. But ever so often, once in a blue moon, you’ll get to take it in crawl mode on a mountain trail, or get a call from your buddy who has 200 acres and some muddy obstacles to run through. And those will be great experiences. And you’ll tell yourself, “Man, I knew I loved this 17-ing ride! I’m gonna make sure to stay in touch with that buddy of mine, and this trip to his land is gonna be an every year thing! And same thing for my vacation time….gonna make that 8 hr drive to the mountains more often, too”. But, you’ll find that you can’t, or won’t. And if / when you finally do, right before that next big trip you hype yourself up for, you’ll throw a conrod through the block while idling in the Chick Fil A drive thru, and the whole thing will get cancelled. Such is life as a Jeep owner.

So, what’s the best way for your wallet and your sanity to own such a vehicle long term? I’d say its certainly not to continue blowing exponentially more and more money on engine repairs at the shop, or bigger / cooler / nicer engine aftermarket parts or mods….because you think THIS time its gonna be different. I’d say its to be handy. Do the grunt work of figuring out how to fix the engine yourself. Figure out where to get the low cost replacements that still do the job. So what if you grabbed an entire short block from that early 90’s model CJ7 that was in an LKQ junkyard? And so what if it had truck nuts on the trailer hitch that the old driver ripped off of someone else’s F-150? Had nothing to do with whether the engine worked or not. Figure out what sensors and o-rings and pumps and gaskets can spell trouble quickly if they go bad, keep them stocked and ready to go when needed. Be individually innovative there.

And as for the more unique features of the vehicle? That’s straightforward. Don’t break the bank there either. But never neglect to do the low cost things that may not greatly affect the resale value, but do ensure long lasting enjoyment. Always keep those door hinges greased to keep out seizure / corrosion so you can keep riding with the doors off. Keep that Armorall on all the leather upholstery to prevent that sun damage when the top is dropped. Maybe add in an extra console compartment for expected or unexpected panty storage. None of that means you don’t care about the engine, it just means you also care about the unique and individual characteristics of the vehicle, too.

Do all the above, and you can be somewhat satisfied with your “purchase”.

Standing ovation

 

[Maroon13]

Most people will choose the football option, simply because beating OM this year would be so awesome because of the hype they have, and at their place. That would be a feather in the cap of MSU people too. OM has so much momentum from football, you can see it in enrollment and on and on. State beating them this year would not be just another egg bowl win, it would be an EPIC egg bowl win.

ON baseball, if the choice was another CWS appearance and at least one win......that would be tempting.

Just an FYI on basketball, someone mentioned a Final Four 4 run........we did not make the tournament in 1997, So while that feat was awesome in the moment, it meant nothing 12 months later as far as building the program.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Most people will choose the football option, simply because beating OM this year would be so awesome because of the hype they have, and at their place. That would be a feather in the cap of MSU people too. OM has so much momentum from football, you can see it in enrollment and on and on. State beating them this year would not be just another egg bowl win, it would be an EPIC egg bowl win.

ON baseball, if the choice was another CWS appearance and at least one win......that would be tempting.

Just an FYI on basketball, someone mentioned a Final Four 4 run........we did not make the tournament in 1997, So while that feat was awesome in the moment, it meant nothing 12 months later as far as building the program.

Our basketball program lived off that Final Four appearance for at least a decade, man. That mattered.

 

[Bulldawg77]

We made bowl games for a decade, and one bad hire, and we were back I’m on the trash heap. Thank God for Leach, who came in and restored order.

Then we make another bad hire, and now we will see on Lebby. But the problem is, as outlined before, we have to fight NIL/portal. This is not Mullen’s 2008, where we could talk about 6 hour radius and development of Tunica diamonds. AND, we have to get to 10-2, which was already happening about once every 15 years. Bowl games simply do not matter anymore, only the playoff. So it just seems illogical that we can compete the way so many of you think we can, which is by going out and trying to outspend people.

So, I choose to be a winner. And I won’t lie, letting go of MSU football sucks. Leach’s death just did me in. I was like, “finally, we have a niche coach and a guy whose name cache can help us recruit during the new era, and he will be here for a decade”. But nope, the dead ones took him. I’m just glad I made some good family memories during 2021 and 2022. Our fans didn’t appreciate any of it, they never saw what could be built, now we’re back doing the same ole shlt like it’s 2006. It’s not that we aren’t spending money, it’s that it’s a futile effort.

But oh well, it’s NFL for me now. And MSU baseball, of course.

ETA: This poll tells the tale. Our fanbase is split, and there are a little less than half of us that want to pick a winner. I bet those people all semi- understand that we need a different type of football coach, not Selmon’s buddy, the easy hire. The problem is, slightly over half don’t even recognize the real problem.

I struggle to understand why you dislike the Lebby hire but loves the leach hire. I loved Leach but the AR was getting stale. Now would he have adapted who knows. However your takes on Lebby are ones that come from a lack of knowledge about his offense. It’s not that much difference in the AR. A few modifications are this offense will be more run heavy than the AR (Lebbys team have led both big 12 and SEC in rushing) combined with more down filed shots . This offense will also take advantage of the middle of the field with mesh routes and the use of a TE. So basically this is the perfect offense for us at state. I just think some have a negative attitude cause they don’t think we can compete. They still think Bob in Bogue chitta is the source

 

[L4Dawg]

If we go 6-6 with a win over Univ of Northern MS, then lets do some rational assuming. That probably means we beat the 4 out of conference teams (2023 records 3-9 AZ St, 5-6 E. KY, 11-3 Toledo, and 3-9 UMASS) and Black Bears, that's 5 wins. That means we go 1-6 in the SEC against the rest and go to a shi tty a ss bowl game, at best. Does that really excite you? That's basically saying you have an extreme hard on against Univ of N MS because the rest of that schedule and results totally sucks.......

The thing is, beating Ole Miss in football matters more to most than even good seasons in baseball and basketball. Football just matters more because more people live and breathe it.

 

[L4Dawg]

6-6 in football is a bad year. Beating OM doesn't somehow make it a good year, nor does it add wins to the record. I hate OM as much as anyone but 99% of us have lives that are completely unaffected whether we win or lose to them. Of course we'd rather go 6-6 with the egg than without it, but going 6-6 with an egg bowl win earns us a bid to a terrible bowl. We'd have more fans show up at a Super Regional at the Dude than the Jiffy Peanut Butter Celebration Bowl in BFE.

If you live in Mississippi and losing to Ole Miss in football doesn't affect you, you live in a very maroon bubble.

 

[L4Dawg]

So is 7-5 (4-4) the floor? If so, I can live with that. We'd have a shot at an 8th win if that were the case.

I can too, but as you have pointed out that isn't the floor this year. I'd say that is 3-9 (0-8). 6-6 (2-6) with one of the 2 being Ole Miss? After last year and with the expectations Ole Miss has this year, sign me up right now.

 

[L4Dawg]

It’s cute that you presume that we’re not already in the toilet athletically, which is why many folks want their supported sports to survive.

But yeah please be demonstrative about the need to protect our border at Sturgis. **

We suck at football.

Other SEC programs want to fund their programs at the expense of other sports so why not just continue to do the bare minimum for football — which in the conference is what State historically does — and emphasize other programs if the money and funding exists?

Football pays the bills for the rest. If we never do well in football, the other sports will also suffer. It's not just money either, interest in and enthusiasm for the University as a whole tends to rise and fall with football. The other sports don't matter as much, not in the south.

 

[L4Dawg]

The situation is bleak but is it better to waste money in pursuit of an unattainable prize or know your limitations, plan accordingly, and be self-sustainable.



Slight correction. Since it’s the south, I’d quibble and also argue that baseball is air conditioning but I’ll let you keep it.



We agree about the importance of the engine but disagree as to what represents it.

So you want us to be what USM is. You have been down there too long. To avoid that we have to make the effort in football. Football drives everything. It pays the bills, it drives conference realignment, it even drives overall enthusiasm for universities. With your philosophy we need to pick a real niche sport and become the best at it, maybe disc golf or something. Then we can brag about that to ourselves. Nobody else would even be listening.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I struggle to understand why you dislike the Lebby hire but loves the leach hire. I loved Leach but the AR was getting stale. Now would he have adapted who knows. However your takes on Lebby are ones that come from a lack of knowledge about his offense. It’s not that much difference in the AR. A few modifications are this offense will be more run heavy than the AR (Lebbys team have led both big 12 and SEC in rushing) combined with more down filed shots . This offense will also take advantage of the middle of the field with mesh routes and the use of a TE. So basically this is the perfect offense for us at state. I just think some have a negative attitude cause they don’t think we can compete. They still think Bob in Bogue chitta is the source

Blah blah blah. The AR was not getting stale, it was just getting started, like everywhere Leach had been. That’s the strength of a niche offense, they are slower to implement, but once it gets rolling it becomes plug and play and recruits itself. But there’s simply no point in trying to explain this to you, you simply will not get it. I mean we ran the thing with Noodle Arm Rogers, no telling what would have happened when we got better talent like Locke.

Lebby is running mainstream stuff. Which is fine, as long as it works, but it’s nothing earth shattering. He will still need to find defense. And I also have discipline concerns like we had under Moorhead, Lebby is a known players coach, and butted heads with Venables, who was more of a hard nosed guy.

So there you have it, but you won’t listen or respect my opinion. So I guess we’ll just have to see, won’t we?

 

[L4Dawg]

We made bowl games for a decade, and one bad hire, and we were back I’m on the trash heap. Thank God for Leach, who came in and restored order.

Then we make another bad hire, and now we will see on Lebby. But the problem is, as outlined before, we have to fight NIL/portal. This is not Mullen’s 2008, where we could talk about 6 hour radius and development of Tunica diamonds. AND, we have to get to 10-2, which was already happening about once every 15 years. Bowl games simply do not matter anymore, only the playoff. So it just seems illogical that we can compete the way so many of you think we can, which is by going out and trying to outspend people.

So, I choose to be a winner. And I won’t lie, letting go of MSU football sucks. Leach’s death just did me in. I was like, “finally, we have a niche coach and a guy whose name cache can help us recruit during the new era, and he will be here for a decade”. But nope, the dead ones took him. I’m just glad I made some good family memories during 2021 and 2022. Our fans didn’t appreciate any of it, they never saw what could be built, now we’re back doing the same ole shlt like it’s 2006. It’s not that we aren’t spending money, it’s that it’s a futile effort.

But oh well, it’s NFL for me now. And MSU baseball, of course.

ETA: This poll tells the tale. Our fanbase is split, and there are a little less than half of us that want to pick a winner. I bet those people all semi- understand that we need a different type of football coach, not Selmon’s buddy, the easy hire. The problem is, slightly over half don’t even recognize the real problem.

Why don't you pick badminton? I bet if we put resources into that we could win big. You want to know

I struggle to understand why you dislike the Lebby hire but loves the leach hire. I loved Leach but the AR was getting stale. Now would he have adapted who knows. However your takes on Lebby are ones that come from a lack of knowledge about his offense. It’s not that much difference in the AR. A few modifications are this offense will be more run heavy than the AR (Lebbys team have led both big 12 and SEC in rushing) combined with more down filed shots . This offense will also take advantage of the middle of the field with mesh routes and the use of a TE. So basically this is the perfect offense for us at state. I just think some have a negative attitude cause they don’t think we can compete. They still think Bob in Bogue chitta is the source

The pure air raid was almost as antiquated as the wishbone. Leach was the only one still running it. Now that he is gone nobody runs it. He was the last dinosaur. When something goes extinct the reason is always that it doesn't work well under current conditions. We have people who seem to think we had some sort of juggernaut offense under Leach, we didn't. If that offense was as great as some here think, everybody would be running it. Instead, nobody is. It evolved into something else.

 

[L4Dawg]

Blah blah blah. The AR was not getting stale, it was just getting started, like everywhere Leach had been. That’s the strength of a niche offense, they are slower to implement, but once it gets rolling it becomes plug and play and recruits itself. But there’s simply no point in trying to explain this to you, you simply will not get it. I mean we ran the thing with Noodle Arm Rogers, no telling what would have happened when we got better talent like Locke.

Lebby is running mainstream stuff. Which is fine, as long as it works, but it’s nothing earth shattering. He will still need to find defense. And I also have discipline concerns like we had under Moorhead, Lebby is a known players coach, and butted heads with Venables, who was more of a hard nosed guy.

So there you have it, but you won’t listen or respect my opinion. So I guess we’ll just have to see, won’t we?

The pure air raid was dying even before Leach died. It died with him. Those are just facts man. Its descendants are still around, but they evolved into something else.

 

[kired]

Thing is… I know we have low expectations for football, but going 5-6 in our first 11 games is going to suck balls. I’m assuming that’s 1 sec win before the egg bowl

Eta: and our luck they’d probably go 11-1 anyway, egg bowl loss won’t matter, they’ll still get in and win sec championship, win the playoff, national champions. Only blemish is loss to us but who gives a 17

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The pure air raid was dying even before Leach died. It died with him. Those are just facts man. Its descendants are still around, but they evolved into something else.

I have zero desire to go 10 rounds today with our RuN dA bAwL mouthbreathers like yourself. My previous post and this one is it. As if this subject has not been hashed out for years on here.

Simply put, your line of thought is what most holds back MSU, and Mississippi, really.

Have a good day, sir.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Blah blah blah. The AR was not getting stale, it was just getting started, like everywhere Leach had been. That’s the strength of a niche offense, they are slower to implement, but once it gets rolling it becomes plug and play and recruits itself. But there’s simply no point in trying to explain this to you, you simply will not get it. I mean we ran the thing with Noodle Arm Rogers, no telling what would have happened when we got better talent like Locke.

Lebby is running mainstream stuff. Which is fine, as long as it works, but it’s nothing earth shattering. He will still need to find defense. And I also have discipline concerns like we had under Moorhead, Lebby is a known players coach, and butted heads with Venables, who was more of a hard nosed guy.

So there you have it, but you won’t listen or respect my opinion. So I guess we’ll just have to see, won’t we?

I will respect your opinion but so much of what you say and or believe is false. Look I loved Leach and hate he died but he was slow to adapt to the NIl and portal era. We eventually were going to have to makes some changes. And let’s also not forget super Dave Emmerick pissed off several HS coaches in the state of MS that we are just now repairing those relationships.
Now on Lebbys offense. This isn’t some mainstream offense its a product of the AR but I’m sure you did zero research and didn’t know that Briles was leach RB coach at Texas tech and took that offense to Houston and then to Baylor where it was ran to perfection including helping RG3 win the hiesman. Lebby learned that offense and took it to new heights at UCF, OM, and OU.

Now let’s talk about players coach BS. Lebby is a hard nosed guy former OL. And yes he preaches fun but also accountability and the reason he butted heads with Vennables is cause Brent is old school and hates change. He also is slow to adapt. He replaced Lebby internally cause he didn’t want to go out and actually hire someone who could actually be different… but i digress. Now, This so called discipline issue is a bit overstated. Go look up any school right now and they all have kids that get out of line. So far we have seen a few instances and yes one is still pending but there’s more that’s story thats being reported. I’m not getting into all that. But I can tell you that this staff is no where near as bad as Moorehead was when it comes to discipline issues. In fact this staff is more like Mullen than anything else

I respect your opinion but you really don’t have any facts other than what you read on a free message board. How about listen to people who have actually sources about what’s going on inside our programs. Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

So you want us to be what USM is. You have been down there too long. To avoid that we have to make the effort in football. Football drives everything.

Hah! Ironically, USM is what it is because it tried to make the effort in football and fell down from the skies.

Firing a perfectly good coach in Jeff Bower.
Hiring Larry Fedora who won a C-USA title and went to UNC.
Hiring Ellis Johnson who was let go the next season.
And since USM has only 10 Fans, the athletics department doesn’t have enough money for a buyout and sells a home game back to Nebraska
At the same time, schools have been leaving CUSA for the new American conference.

So yeah. Football drives everything.

Except in Southern Miss’s case, their vehicle was a Ford Pinto.

And as @Perd Hapley noted, we drive a finicky Jeep Wrangler.

It pays the bills, it drives conference realignment, it even drives overall enthusiasm for universities. With your philosophy we need to pick a real niche sport and become the best at it, maybe disc golf or something. Then we can brag about that to ourselves. Nobody else would even be listening.

Yawn.

There’s your small town Shangri-La Northeast Mississippi mentality: All people should care about is football.

My response to that is simple: 17 Football

You’re conservative so you should appreciate the idea that Mississippi State Athletics should live within its means.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

This thread epitomizes message boards. We will literally argue about anything.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I will respect your opinion but so much of what you say and or believe is false. Look I loved Leach and hate he died but he was slow to adapt to the NIl and portal era. We eventually were going to have to makes some changes. And let’s also not forget super Dave Emmerick pissed off several HS coaches in the state of MS that we are just now repairing those relationships.
Now on Lebbys offense. This isn’t some mainstream offense its a product of the AR but I’m sure you did zero research and didn’t know that Briles was leach RB coach at Texas tech and took that offense to Houston and then to Baylor where it was ran to perfection including helping RG3 win the hiesman. Lebby learned that offense and took it to new heights at UCF, OM, and OU.

Now let’s talk about players coach BS. Lebby is a hard nosed guy former OL. And yes he preaches fun but also accountability and the reason he butted heads with Vennables is cause Brent is old school and hates change. He also is slow to adapt. He replaced Lebby internally cause he didn’t want to go out and actually hire someone who could actually be different… but i digress. Now, This so called discipline issue is a bit overstated. Go look up any school right now and they all have kids that get out of line. So far we have seen a few instances and yes one is still pending but there’s more that’s story thats being reported. I’m not getting into all that. But I can tell you that this staff is no where near as bad as Moorehead was when it comes to discipline issues. In fact this staff is more like Mullen than anything else

I respect your opinion but you really don’t have any facts other than what you read on a free message board. How about listen to people who have actually sources about what’s going on inside our programs. Stop being part of the problem and start being part of the solution.

I keep hearing this word ‘adapt’. There are some things that can be adapted and some things that should never change.

It’s just an excuse.

 

[L4Dawg]

Hah! Ironically, USM is what it is because it tried to make the effort in football and fell down from the skies.

Firing a perfectly good coach in Jeff Bower.
Hiring Larry Fedora who won a C-USA title and went to UNC.
Hiring Ellis Johnson who was let go the next season.
And since USM has only 10 Fans, the athletics department doesn’t have enough money for a buyout and sells a home game back to Nebraska
At the same time, schools have been leaving CUSA for the new American conference.

So yeah. Football drives everything.

Except in Southern Miss’s case, their vehicle was a Ford Pinto.

And as @Perd Hapley noted, we drive a finicky Jeep Wrangler.



Yawn.

There’s your small town Shangri-La Northeast Mississippi mentality: All people should care about is football.

My response to that is simple: 17 Football

You’re conservative so you should appreciate the idea that Mississippi State Athletics should live within its means.

You just illustrated my point. Thanks. USM athletics went as its football program did. They have a decent baseball program and that's it. Notice how much that gets them? That's exactly what you are arguing MSU should become. You have been in Hattiesburg too long.

 

[85Bears]

Delete

 

[L4Dawg]

I have zero desire to go 10 rounds today with our RuN dA bAwL mouthbreathers like yourself. My previous post and this one is it. As if this subject has not been hashed out for years on here.

Simply put, your line of thought is what most holds back MSU, and Mississippi, really.

Have a good day, sir.

You put words in people's mouths to argue. I'm not a run only guy, just like I'm not a pass only guy. A one dimensional offense can and will be stopped by a good defense in modern football. It doesn't matter if that one dimension is passing or running. If you don't do both, you are dead in the water.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

You just illustrated my point. Thanks. USM athletics went as its football program did. They have a decent baseball program and that's it. Notice how much that gets them? That's exactly what you are arguing MSU should become. You have been in Hattiesburg too long.

Dude.

Your vaunted Shangri-La High School must not be all that it’s cracked up to be considering your Northeast Mississippi Obtuseness.

And I’ve not lived or worked in Hattiesburg or its suburbs since the previous millennium.

I advise you to be more intelligent.

 

[Bulldawg77]

You know I can remember after Leach beat Ole Miss in the egg bowl you came on here whining and complaining because you wanted Leach fired. So spare me your BS. leach went 9-4 in the NIL/Portal era which probably won’t be duplicated here. you’re clueless.

Hey Fam. I never ever posted anything about wanting leach gone especially after the egg bowl. Now I was adamant we should have never hired meathead Arnette the day he was promoted based on how he had handled other duties. Guess what my sources were spot on with how he handled the team and program.

the only people clueless on this subject are you and Goat. Again you have zero basis to hate Lebby other than your opinion of we have zero talent… wrong zero money … wrong again. On the NIl portal really didn’t take off until 22. But again you taking Ls is pretty common these days

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You put words in people's mouths to argue. I'm not a run only guy, just like I'm not a pass only guy. A one dimensional offense can and will be stopped by a good defense in modern football. It doesn't matter if that one dimension is passing or running. If you don't do both, you are dead in the water.

A one dimensional run offense can be stopped, unless you just have over the top superior size and talent. There is no such thing as a one dimensional pass offense, because it opens up the whole field, run included. And it can be done with less talent. That’s what you hard heads don’t get, you only understand one way of thinking.

And damnit, you successfully lured me in for another post. I really am done this time. Your troll skills are on par with Peaches - if you were trolling. Bad thing is, I think you absolutely believe what you type.

 

[85Bears]

Hey Fam. I never ever posted anything about wanting leach gone especially after the egg bowl. Now I was adamant we should have never hired meathead Arnette the day he was promoted based on how he had handled other duties. Guess what my sources were spot on with how he handled the team and program.

the only people clueless on this subject are you and Goat. Again you have zero basis to hate Lebby other than your opinion of we have zero talent… wrong zero money … wrong again. On the NIl portal really didn’t take off until 22. But again you taking Ls is pretty common these days

I apologize, that post was meant for L4, not you.

 

[85Bears]

You put words in people's mouths to argue. I'm not a run only guy, just like I'm not a pass only guy. A one dimensional offense can and will be stopped by a good defense in modern football. It doesn't matter if that one dimension is passing or running. If you don't do both, you are dead in the water.

You absolutely came onto the board the night Leach beat ole miss crying and whining because you wanted Leach fired. So I take very little you have to say regarding football or leach seriously.

You’re clueless.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You absolutely came onto the board the night Leach beat ole miss crying and whining because you wanted Leach fired. So I take very little you have to say regarding football or leach seriously.

You’re clueless.

It’s time to totally ignore the guy. I can see him in my head, we all know the type. Guy that talks too much in real life, never listens. Probably tucks in his T-shirt into his shorts and sends goofy sports memes multiple times daily on Facebook.

 

[Mr. Cook]

More people watched us play Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowl (talking TV) than watched us win a national championship in baseball. Yes, I'm serious.

And more than that witnessed the post-game melee that ensued between the two teams*************

 

[Mr. Cook]

Came close in 2019.

"Close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.*******

 

[Mr. Cook]

This is the only answer that counts. I know it's not one of the choices, but dammit why is this question even being posed. The poll is a loser attitude in itself. Talk about ironic, we are arguing about mediocre results for the largest university in Mississippi with an athletic budget north or $100 million and this is the best we can come up with? God, we are hopeless. We should have all three.

The pursuit of excellence is not in the mantra of MSU.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

It’s time to totally ignore the guy. I can see him in my head, we all know the type. Guy that talks too much in real life, never listens. Probably tucks in his T-shirt into his shorts and sends goofy sports memes multiple times daily on Facebook.

Eh.

He usually makes some sense when the European Leagues & Premier League action begins. He’s knowledgeable about soccer.

He’s completely wrong of course about the importance of National Teams but that’s to be expected since he tends to be more parochial and local when discussing any topic.

 

[Mr. Cook]

Southern Miss…

I mildly disagree.

Most SEC schools:

MSU:

 

[Mr. Cook]

This thread epitomizes message boards. We will literally argue about anything.

You are WRONG on so many levels*****************************

 

[Maroon Eagle]

The pursuit of excellence is not in the mantra of MSU.

If it’s in the game, it’s in the game.

 

[Mr. Cook]

If it’s in the game, it’s in the game.

MSU: "We have 'game?'***********