Who, if any, would cause you to think about crossing the line from what you would normally vote.
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Have the parties moved, or have voters moved? It's an interesting question.
I don't know a TON about Tulsi Gabbard, but when I hear her speak she doesn't seem to be drinking the Kool-Aid, she's actually served our country as a member of the Army Reserves (and served in Iraq), and is able to construct a reasonable argument as to why she believes what she does.
She's also pretty damn hot and has that whole GI Joe Baroness / Morticia Addams vibe going on, and I'm kind of weird like that.
She's also pretty damn hot and has that whole GI Joe Baroness / Morticia Addams vibe going on, and I'm kind of weird like that.
I’ve voted for dems local and state before but the Overton window done ran off and left me.
Ha, I had forgotten the name and got busy and couldn’t look it up. But honestly I’d be alright with a millenial, or a very young Gen Xer. Someone who has ideals.
Tired of boomers.
Real talk: the people that say the Dems have moved "far left" the last 20 years......were saying the same thing 20 years ago, and 20 years before that.
Real talk: the Dems are a center to center left party. The GOP is a far right party. And those that just have to view both of them as equally "off center" just can't accept it.
Nah, we thought you were a selfish boomer who wanted everybody else to wear masks and stay home, while you got to keep working. Your politics don’t matter.
Fair enough. The youngest Baby Boomers are about 60, and the very oldest Millennials are about 43 - leaves a large gap of folks.
Which, being forgettable is kind of Gen X's thing...
I think the parties becoming more extreme has caused voters to become more extreme in their opposition of the other party. So I think they are opposing the other party's extremism more so than supporting their party's extremism.
Same guy. Waiting on On 3 to give me back "Cantdoitsallie".
Team Biden issued too many tons of new regs for me including hammering energy and Natural Gas Exports. Regs thwart start ups and small bidness and big bidness willingly pays and complied to stifle competition. I'm all for leniency as long as they haven't maliciously harmed physically or stolen somebody's schit. Like Trump did with the crack dealing granny from Bamer.
So much for keeping it civil. I'm not going to respond in kind.
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There’s no “far left‘ when I talk to Nashville liberals. We recently had a bunch of moving trucks show up transporting what looked like a neo-Nazi group. I mean people filmed them getting back in the box trucks after they did a march through. Of course city halllost its collective ****, folks grandstanded, all well and good. BUT….
We also had a penis version of the Oscar Mayer wiener mobile drive all over town with fetish afficianados hanging all over it. We had a San Antonio attorney / trans activist do a “kids are into kink” spoken word performance at City Winery. Not a word from city hall. No coverage of those events. No ‘far left‘ in the media
Me too. Reagan was the first POTUS I ever voted for. And I voted for HW Bush too. When the Rockefeller Republicans began fading, I did too. It's hard to find fiscal conservatives who are somewhat liberal on other issues like gay marriage and abortion (my abortion stance is really that of the mainstream Baptist/Methodist/Presby churches of the 1970s). So be it. Maybe I'm just stuck in that time.
fair enough. I think regulation is very necessary, but i agree that in some ways they favor big business. That's one reason I don't mind taxing Big Business: they have built in advantages, so it levels the playing field a little.
Anecdotes not being data aside, I was speaking of the national party. I'm sure each side has its enclaves that deviates from the national.
Gerrymandering has made it so that to get a start in politics you have to adhere rigidly to the base of whoever controls the district. Gerrymandering needs to be outlawed but both sides LOVE those safe seats. It has destroyed the center.
I'd like to believe this, but Biden has a voting record, of decades, as a moderate, the left does not care for him, yet I still voted party the last two elections (i.e I was sucked into the party machine and not really paying attention to much else).
Yes, I'd like to agree with onewoof here. I think it's a great path for all the conservatives on the board to really show your spite... especially the conservative sixpackers in Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, the greater Southwest, and the Rust Belt. Really stick it to the man!
Well, Biden did win an election in 2020 that many people thought was a runaway for Trump.
This time around (you and most won’t agree), but Trump is probably more center than Harris. Real talk. And he will probably win, up right now.
Here’s the thing about Trump. At least he is an outsider. The swamp thing is real. He did a poor job of draining it last time. But in theory he actually might try. Whereas these career politicians are just part of the machine. I’m tired of career politicians. Also I did not vote for Trump in 16 because I wasn’t sure what to think of him. I did in 20 because it was obvious then that Biden was dementia riddled. I can’t in good conscience vote for anyone involved in Biden’s admin because they were in on putting a puppet nursing home patient in the oval.
I’m a true liberal just like George Washington was. Let me do what I want within the confines of bare bones laws, institute a small government that doesn’t need much money so we are taxed little and have state’s rights first. Anyone and their friends fit that description I’ll vote for all of them.
Same here. i have been left behind on a national level. On the state level I am forced to vote democrat for most races, other than Mee Maw Ivey. The blatant and open corruption in Montgomery is just more than I can tolerate.
Buddy, I actually agree with a lot of what you post here, but this just is simply not true. If it were, Biden would have been ahead in the polls. He ran (in 2020) as a moderate but governed as a leftist. Between immigration and gender ideology alone, the Democrats are far out of step with most Americans.
Hell, I view Trump as a liberal.
Trump spends like a liberal president would.
The sonic fights are really the only good thing about these threads****
I disagree.
No. This assumes perfect information. The counter is that the media doesnt impart perfect information.
he ran as a moderate but was seen by voters as a leftist. See above.
Polls say otherwise. The Dems are to the right of the general public, let alone their own party. Of course, this is ignoring our republic's built in tilt toward conservative policy, due to the Senate and Electoral College.
That’s a dirty little secret no one talks about.
Trump is like Lincoln Riley, lot of offense, no defense.
I think the voters have moved left, the democrat party has moved left as fast or faster, and the republicans have moved left more slowly than the voters.
Republicans have stopped pretending to be the party of limited government. They have gotten better about the 1st amendment (although granted like when the left championed it, a lot of that has to do with being on the losing end of discriminatory practices; but still, used to be considered a leftist/liberal value) while the left has more or less abandoned it. They've moved left on gay marriage and marijuana legalization. They are still pretty big on foreign intervention, although a little less so; not sure which direction that points. I don't think they've moved much either way on being the party of law and order outside of niche issues like marijuana? I don't think they've really moved on immigration? I think they've gotten suckered enough on "reform" that they are less likely to get suckered unless they just want cover to increase immigration. I don't think they're actually less open to compromise if there was a way to get credible commitments. They have more or less held the line on abortion; have they actually moved to the right? It's been so long since it was an issue for voters that I'm not sure. I don't think they've really moved much on conservationism v. environmentalism? They have gotten more consistent in treating the 2nd amendment as a constitutional right, which I would think is considered moving right and the one issue I can think of where they both moved to the right and have actually been effective. Have they moved right on taxes? They have been good about cutting taxes but they've also made the tax code more progressive overall. Not sure if that should be considered moving right or not.
Well, he was a Democrat till quite recently. He even contributed to Hariss' campaign when she ran for AG in California.
I would like to see that poll please sir.
Young, center left at the state level. I'm a center right guy who wants conservatives on the Supreme Court because conservatives are more likely than liberals to surprise you with some decisions. I'm also the type of conservative who is a "will y'all slow down" kind of guy. Change, for the most part, should be slow, measured and based on reality and not some moralized ideology that ignores how nice sounding policies can often lead to awful outcomes (defund the police and the murder spike in some major cities that lead to several thousand poor black people being shot and killed).
I've voted Dem in state elections because southern Dems are reasonable. Jon Ossoff of Georgia is a liberal I like and respect. He's not some SJW moral exhibitionist but someone who understands that good policy can help those in need and there's nothing wrong with expecting government to do some things to help citizens (FYI, I'm not a libertarian). I liked John Bel Edwards in Louisiana. I thought Amy Klobuchar was a good candidate in the last election, she's just Midwestern practical, but she got caught up in the rational reckoning around George Floyd.
I also thought Bill Clinton was fine, nothing wrong with loving the ladies, and Barack Obama was good enough as president outside of a few issues. I'm not a Trump fan but I"m not voting for Kamala or any Dem this cycle. But if a Dem wins, my life will go on and I plan to enjoy it. I like political discussions but I honestly don't get too bothered if the team I vote for loses. There's always another election. I've been known to dish out a few things to some on here, and they've gotten in a few licks as well, but I also think it's silly and childish to dislike others because they don't share your political views.
I've voted Dem in state elections because southern Dems are reasonable. Jon Ossoff of Georgia is a liberal I like and respect. He's not some SJW moral exhibitionist but someone who understands that good policy can help those in need and there's nothing wrong with expecting government to do some things to help citizens (FYI, I'm not a libertarian). I liked John Bel Edwards in Louisiana. I thought Amy Klobuchar was a good candidate in the last election, she's just Midwestern practical, but she got caught up in the rational reckoning around George Floyd.
I also thought Bill Clinton was fine, nothing wrong with loving the ladies, and Barack Obama was good enough as president outside of a few issues. I'm not a Trump fan but I"m not voting for Kamala or any Dem this cycle. But if a Dem wins, my life will go on and I plan to enjoy it. I like political discussions but I honestly don't get too bothered if the team I vote for loses. There's always another election. I've been known to dish out a few things to some on here, and they've gotten in a few licks as well, but I also think it's silly and childish to dislike others because they don't share your political views.
Future is blue, whether any of us like it or not. It's just what shade we want it to be. Trump may make a lot of people feel good, but at the end of the day, the real reason people vote for him is because he helps make them money - NOT some Lee Greenwood proud to be an American routine. Insert any other Republican into office right now, Dems slaughter them.
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