I didn't realize you were funding the athletic department solo. By all means, emphasize whatever you want.
Would you be okay with becoming a farm team for the rest of the SEC in other sports
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This is me and nothing against anyone who enjoys it.
I can't stand women's basketball. I tried watching a few times this year and it was awful. I was wondering how I and many State fans really got into it when Vic was here. When discussing this with my friend who is a huge basketball fan, he cleared it up.
Outside of about 8-10 teams, women's basketball is a terrible product. That's why the WNBA sucks so bad. Outside of Connecticut and South Carolina, the other 6-8 decent teams change. For a couple years it was Baylor and Washington. Then it was Mississippi State and Louisville. Then it was LSU and Iowa. Now it seems to be Texas and the LA schools. Thats it. The only thing that keeps college women's basketball interesting is the rotation of who is good besides South Carolina and Connecticut.
The rest of the teams are awful. Awful coaches. Awful players. Awful. That's why we can go from back to back national championship appearances to missing the tournament in a 2 year period. We lost one of the few elite coaches.
I wouldn't put one dime toward women's basketball. The other women's sports are decent. Volleyball is incredible to watch. Soccer couldnt compete with men but they are fundamentally strong. Softball has strategy and the pitching makes it fun to watch. What is the redeeming quality of women's basketball?
I can't stand women's basketball. I tried watching a few times this year and it was awful. I was wondering how I and many State fans really got into it when Vic was here. When discussing this with my friend who is a huge basketball fan, he cleared it up.
Outside of about 8-10 teams, women's basketball is a terrible product. That's why the WNBA sucks so bad. Outside of Connecticut and South Carolina, the other 6-8 decent teams change. For a couple years it was Baylor and Washington. Then it was Mississippi State and Louisville. Then it was LSU and Iowa. Now it seems to be Texas and the LA schools. Thats it. The only thing that keeps college women's basketball interesting is the rotation of who is good besides South Carolina and Connecticut.
The rest of the teams are awful. Awful coaches. Awful players. Awful. That's why we can go from back to back national championship appearances to missing the tournament in a 2 year period. We lost one of the few elite coaches.
I wouldn't put one dime toward women's basketball. The other women's sports are decent. Volleyball is incredible to watch. Soccer couldnt compete with men but they are fundamentally strong. Softball has strategy and the pitching makes it fun to watch. What is the redeeming quality of women's basketball?
Are we not a farm team in most sports? How many athletes with good years at State who are recruited by other schools do we keep from transferring? I think we kept Dakota last year. Anyone else?
That's completely absurd. Msu is setting record enrollment and no one in Mississippi is interested....spare me!! How about we call out the lazy and worthless recruitment efforts at Mississippi state?!
Feel free to make a list of 4 star signings in recent years. When is the last time we signed a 4 star DL from Mississippi? RB ? WR ?
Nope. Not significantly anyway.
The answer to our football problem is right there under our noses.
We are not flashy, we are not style, we are not a blue blood, and likely won't be without years and years and years of sustained winning. So how to we get there? We have to have a commitment from the top of the AD down to the fans that we are going to be as different as possible. We literally need to be the most unique program in college football. And whatever 'idea' we choose, needs to be bigger than just one coach.
This is going to piss off a lot of fans but it’s going to happen. The break down of REV share will look like this for all P4 teams
22/25MM
Football. 17MM
MBB. 4-5 MM
The rest spread out over all other non rev sports.
It’s time we understand that baseball does zero for us and time to invest in sports that matter.
22/25MM
Football. 17MM
MBB. 4-5 MM
The rest spread out over all other non rev sports.
It’s time we understand that baseball does zero for us and time to invest in sports that matter.
Well we signed two 4 star WR in 24 Burnside and Harrell. Signed OL Jimothy Lewis. In 25 class we signed Taylor Willis and Lockhart. All instate 4⭐️
we have Williams a four star WR we added from the 23 class.
I think some of you all just want to be negative without facts
No but in reality that's where we're headed more or less if super conferences are formed.
You are saying 6-8 wins and 9-10 wins like that is awesome, but Leach recently went 9-4 and was roundly hated and smeared by this fan base and local media.
This is the funny part. We already are and have been a farm team. The haves take whatever coach (and now with the portal, player) they want from us whenever they want them. If you aren't a cynic, just cheer for State for a minute.
Obviously some of you hate Clay Travis, which I get. He can be tiresome. But I just wanted to put this here because he's discussing Florida's success as an athletic program this century and he doesn't even mention that they won a baseball national title in 2017. It's completely ignored. And it's not like he doesn't care about baseball, he openly cheers for the current champs. But this is why some of us hate our emphasis on baseball. It's an afterthought. It literally does not matter in the scheme of things.
What are you thinking here, Goat? Would love to hear your thoughts on how to be the most unique program in college football.
this is going to rile up the hate Lemonis cult ...of all of the MSU coaches, Lemonis has done the best at retaining the draftable players he has recruited and each year has brought in key pieces several draft picks out of the portal.......DeBrule, Ledbetter, Yeager, Stephen, JP France
Because baseball isn’t a major sport. People love it here but it’s a non rev sport. Most of the sec gets it but we hold into baseball like it’s the holy grail. It means zero
Could be Air Raid, could be Triple Option......it could be some modern variation of either, could be Jackie's strategy - all athletes on defense, build up 2 strings of huge OL, and just run downhill with a big RB and a high school CB playing QB. You could go even further with the NIL......basically let it be known that our rev share is for existing players only.......high school and transfer portal don't get any. Make a commitment to recruit hungry ball players. Get innovative in the weight room. Develop a true culture that lasts.
Get crazy with uniforms. Get rid of all the damn stripes and such. Some variation of Jackie's original ones and Mullen's original ones. Go with interlocking or banner M on the helmets, but get rid of State.
lemonis has missed a lot and been average at best in the portal. its easy to say he's brought in pieces... but every SEC school brings in pieces b/c the SEC is the mountain top. He continues to whiff on the big names that are in the portal.. the difference makers... he's always come up short in that regard.
He may do better than Football and Basketball... but there are less programs that care about college baseball than CBB and FB.. therefore its easier to land portal pieces and keep the pieces you have
Burnside flips to safety and where is Harrell ? Williams signed with OM originally out of high school. True we got Lewis and Lockhart. Kamario Taylor huge surprise. Thanks to Omarr. We dont have a history of signing the best players in Mississippi.
People like you are too short-sighted to understand that it's not all about the monetary payoff. There is school pride, tradition, not to mention that DNF is a big recruiting tool for us.
Football rosters are just too big for that to make a difference. Men’s Basketball, with its small roster size, would be the sport to push all in with and see results.
The ultimate problem with your scenario is that it isn’t even possible…..as you’ve freely acknowledged with your “Sun Belt” remarks above. Even if we let basketball and baseball rot, football still wouldn’t be competitive at the level you suggest. The money isn’t there. Barring what would be a cataclysmic reversion back to the old status quo that takes pay for play and open transfers completely off the table, MSU is absolutely straight up done being relevant in football ever again.
What you’re suggesting is tantamount to saying, “even though I only have this teacher’s salary, could I get out of this 1993 Honda Civic and into a 2024 Lamborghini if I just stop eating out?”. No….you can’t, because you still just have the teacher’s salary.
I alluded to this in a previous thread, but the only sport that makes sense for MSU with this type of approach is men’s basketball. Its the right mix of exposure, small roster size, and something where we actually have both recent and long term history of success. We’ve actually had a higher SEC winning % in basketball than we have had in baseball for the past 25 years.
In football, all we need to do is continue to field a team. That’s it. Well over half of MSU’s athletic department budget is essentially subsidized by fans of other SEC schools football teams (or non-fans in other states). That money is still going to be there regardless of whether we go 12-0 or 0-12.
We don’t know yet. We just started cutting back on baseball. FB is in the middle of a rebuild and recruiting has picked up tremendously. New hires on defense and offense line have helped. Basketball has been to 3 NCAAs. I’m confident FB is going to be a lot better this year.
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