It was one of my biggest criticisms of Pat Chambers. He never ran any baseline or sideline out of bounds to score.
I know it’s tougher in college, but as a high school coach, I try to get at least 10 points a game from those.
2022-23 PSU MBB Thread
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I know it’s tougher in college, but as a high school coach, I try to get at least 10 points a game from those.
It was my biggest gripe with Chambers. I honestly don’t think I ever lost a game as a coach where I outscored the other team in ob plays. If I was a D1 coach, I would love TV time outs. Especially a TV time out where I was bringing the ball in under my own basket.
One thing I saw last night was how athletic Funk really is. I actually think he could play at the next level… reminds me an awful lot of Pat Connaughton of the Bucks.
Chambers almost never scored coming out of a timeout…used to drive me crazy
I see Funk in Europe…his game fits there perfectly.
I would bet my bottom dollar the roster will not look like this.
As a NLC Member, an Alumnus and a PSU Basketball fan, I felt compelled to send Pat Kraft an email about the importance of retaining Coach Shrewsberry. I know he already knows this and it probably won't be read, at least by him but I still felt it was important for our AD to hear the opinions of the Alumni.
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Kevin Huerter plays in the Show. One would think that Funk and Huerter are cut from the same cloth.
I was thinking about doing the same as well as an individual one to coach, but I think that might be a little much. I also love how winter and dread fought back from confidence issues to have a really strong runs over the last two weeks.
Several players from Temple have just entered the portal including Khalif Battle, a guard, who averaged over 17 points per game. He was sidelined with a foot injury at the end of the year. They also have a big man,Jamille Reynolds(6’10” 285 lbs) who is going into the portal. Four players are going into the portal since their coach Aaron MacKie announced he was not returning.
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I brought him up either in a different thread here or on the old board. He and Jameer Nelson Junior are two Philly area guards who could step in next year.
Penn State and Shrewsberry agreed to a long-term contract just two years ago.
That contract called for PSU to guarantee many millions of dollars of payments to Micah Shrewsberry.
TTBOMK, Penn State has made good on every provision of that agreement.
That contract has many years to run.
Why should there be any concern whatsoever wrt "needing to retain" a coach who is already under a very lucrative long-term contract - agreed to by both parties?
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If you sign a coach to a long-term multi-million-dollar fully-guaranteed contract.... why do you (either the Coach or the School) do that? With the expectation of failure?
Regardless: Isn't a contract a contract between two parties?
If Shrewsberry’s “market price” goes up significantly based on this year’s success, such that good programs pursue him aggressively, does PSU let him walk because he’s already under contract (negotiated before the market price changed)?
In any situation, if I entered into a contract with someone to do a job, and mid-way through they said they wanted more $$$, than what we agreed to, to complete that job, even though I had fulfilled every aspect of my obligations under the contract, the LAST thing I would want to do is enter into ANOTHER contract with that person.
That contract - between two honorable parties, negotiated in good faith - IS the "market price" for that job.
(To be clear, I have ZERO information that such a process is unwinding vav Shrewsberry/PSU, and wouldn't suggest as such. Just how I would view such a situation in any circumstance.)
Getting back to Bob's point, the question is whether PSU wants to retain Coach Shrewsberry going forward. Should another suitor offer him considerably more money, PSU has to decide whether it will offer the same or more (presumably there is a buyout in PSU's current contract). It's the price of success in today's world of college sports.
Exactly. Sports is different than most of the rest of the world. A coach’s stock can soar with the slightest success (e.g., one season). We’ve seen young coaches, particularly in college basketball, suddenly become a lead candidate for top jobs. The coach has leverage. As such, his current school is put in a position to pony up the cash to meet the new going rate to retain him.
I certainly have no idea what may be happening with Shrewsberry, but I think it’s fair to assume that he will be pursued by other schools. Kraft then will have a decision to make. Obviously PSU doesn’t have this year’s success very often. Would Kraft let Shrewsberry get away and trust the next guy to have the same success? PSU isn’t kansas or unc (yet
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My sense is that Kraft will do as much as he can to retain Coach Shrewsberry. Wonder if he asks himself the question that I previously posed which is can PSU afford success in basketball. If you look at the numbers, basketball loses money on what I term a direct operating basis i.e. the net before the Big Ten allocation. Filling the BJC (if my numbers are correct, attendance was down this season from last) at current ticket prices doesn't cover much. So the dilemma facing Kraft is how does he pay for a successful coach. Will the fans fill the arena for all home games? Will they swallow increased ticket prices?Exactly. Sports is different than most of the rest of the world. A coach’s stock can soar with the slightest success (e.g., one season). We’ve seen young coaches, particularly in college basketball, suddenly become a lead candidate for top jobs. The coach has leverage. As such, his current school is put in a position to pony up the cash to meet the new going rate to retain him.
I certainly have no idea what may be happening with Shrewsberry, but I think it’s fair to assume that he will be pursued by other schools. Kraft then will have a decision to make. Obviously PSU doesn’t have this year’s success very often. Would Kraft let Shrewsberry get away and trust the next guy to have the same success? PSU isn’t kansas or unc (yet
If you wanna have some real fun, put yourself in the shoes of Kaintuck's AD. You think he doesn't ask himself, or is frequently forced to ask himself, why the fu@k he's paying Calipari $8.5mm p.a.?
Money talks and ******** walks! No such thing as 2 honorable parties when it comes to coaching and getting paid. The question that needs to be answered is what programs are after Shrew, and does he think they are better jobs than the one he currently has.
And buyouts are written into all coaching contracts nowadays.
That is not how things work in the world of college coaching. I wish it did work that way, but it simply doesn't. The market value of a particular coach varies widely from year to year, depending on short-term performance and perception. Coaches get fired for underperformance all the time. Coaches renegotiate their contracts all the time. It is what it is.
Furthermore, Shrews is the best men's basketball coach Penn State has had over the last 40+ years. If Penn State lets him walk "on principle", that would be just great. But the chances of doing any better with the next hire aren't really strong.
Some processing info:
Over the last 15 years, PSU's per game attendance (counting only regular season games in BJC - not home NIT games (which draw very few fans historically), or "home" games at off-site arenas, or the games played in Rec Hall):
Highest annual draws:
Around 9.200 per game in 2018-19 and 2019-20
Lowest annual draws:
Around 6,600 in 2013-14
Last Few Years:
2018-19: 9,200
2019-20: 9,200
2020-21: 250 (COVID)
2021-22: 8,500 (average is likely slightly elevated due to two "pay day" games with lower opponents cancelled due to COVID - and this not depressing the "average'. If those two games had been played, based on recent history, probably looking at about 8,000 as the average)
2022-23: 7,700
How that figures into the equations? Who knows?
That is reported attendance - not, of course, $$ (did ticket prices increase over that time? I would expect so)
If money is the only issue I think he will stay, but it may not be. Not everyone is enamored of the State College area. His family may prefer to live elsewhere. Beyond that, he may prefer a program with a more storied basketball history. There could be a dozen reasons to leave besides money. As always, time will tell.
It's always about the money even when they say it isn't. If money is equal then those other things may factor in. In the end it's always about the money.
Although if Shrewsberry hates us, he may hate any amount of our money.
It is absolutely true. Just look at Pitino now with the SJU coaching gig. Do you think Pitino gives a sh*t about his contract with Iona? And guess what, Iona may not care either. Iona is probably looking at the coupla million that SJU will have to give up to Iona to buyout Pitino's deal...
I hope he stays...the players enjoy playing for him. He seems to like PSU....he also has an advantage of being able to promise portal kids that they can start/play right away. Portal kids can see that he has used the portal already, they get to play in a major conference, and play for a team that made the Big Dance and darn near won the Big Ten...
How could one not be enamored with the State College area? We have great, highly rated schools, we got PSU, we got high rise apartment buildings with empty store fronts, 2 Walmarts, a one-level mall with empty stores and redneck big box stores, a potential casino, great outdoors activities like hiking, lakes, campgrounds, state parks, low traffic(except 6 or 7 weekends out of the year), upcoming layoffs at PSU, great ice cream, vape/smoke shops popping up on every corner like a CVS or Walgreens, lack of athletic facilities for youth sports leagues although that seems to be changing the past several years, high income tax rates in local townships that are comparable to the City of Phila income tax but without all the murders and car jackings, great neighborhoods without many Karens/Bobs because people get along in these parts(except for the professor transplants who think they are better then everyone else because they have a PhD), and if there is something you can't find in a store around town, Amazon delivers to everywhere!!!! - This is a sarcastic post because it's Monday and I am a bit moody this morning for some reason, however, I have enjoyed living in State College for the past 20 years, every place has its flaws of course, but we seem fairly isolated from a lot of the bullshiite that comes with living other places.
And we have The Weather thread! Go spend 20 minutes over there, it will help ya out!
Yep. We had 3 wide open 3s in the last couple of minutes. We didn't hit any of them. The guys fought like hell and I have to think tired legs had something to do with it. I've seen it at all levels. You fight and fight to come from behind, and once you do, it's a tough road to keep it going.
The missed threes, everybody has them. A team will get maybe three, five uncontested threes (my definition: two seconds to shoot) a game. You’ve got to make them all. I saw quite a few head-shaking misses these past few days. You got to make your threes. I still dream about several extremely makable missed shots that would have won a championship. Sports.
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While watching the missed shots I kept telling myself that Bobby Morse wouldn’t have missed.
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