2022 B1G Tournament, Session 1 Thread

Tryingtodoitright

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I know injuries stink. I get it. I don't like it when kids get hurt. But perhaps I'd have more empathy for a non-seventh-year-senior getting injured.
 
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He screamed in agony. Ref rightfully stopped it. Smith was granted choice and took bottom.
Should be more of a penalty for that. So in football if you get hit hard and get hurt and fumble then the offense gets the ball back? I want to keep these kids safe but he jumped right back up like nothing.
 
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At least he went for it, stayed aggressive, shot and got the winning takedown, unlike Eireman, who I can’t stand. Good for Kemerer, wish he would have lost, but as you noted seems like a good kid (or middle aged man at this point 😀).
He and Cliff on the same plan?
 

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Should be more of a penalty for that. So in football if you get hit hard and get hurt and fumble then the offense gets the ball back? I want to keep these kids safe but he jumped right back up like nothing.
Call the NCAA
 

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197 pounds: Max Dean vs. Greg Bulsak

First period
Dean drops in on a right leg single and they gave Dean a takedown. Action was stopped, then, and now we're off to a review. After review, the takedown is wiped out. No issue with that decision. Dean in on another single leg and this time it's definitely a takedown. Bulsak escapes to 2-1. Dean dropped in on another shot but couldn't finish before the horn. However, Bulsak was hit with stalling. 2-1 Dean.

Second period
Dean down. He's out pretty quickly to 3-1. Now Dean is in on another single and trying to finish it. He picks up Bulsak's leg and finally does bring him to the mat for two. It's 5-1. Bulsak escapes to 5-2.

Third period
Bulsak down. Dean has a punishing ride going. Riding time point is secured. Dean wins by decision, 6-2. 2:11 in RT.
 

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285 pounds: Greg Kerkvliet vs. Christian Lance
First period
Kerkvliet gets the first takedown and leads 2-0.

Second period
Kerkvliet gets a takedown late in the second for a 4-1 lead. He has 2:41 in riding time.

Third period
Kerkvliet down. He's out in about 10 seconds. It's 5-1, and the riding time point is assured. Stall penalty on Lance. It's 6-1. With riding time, Kerkvliet wins, 7-1.
 

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Outside of Drew losing at 125, it is nice to have 7 in the semi-finals. Michigan is staying close in the team race.
 
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285 pounds: Greg Kerkvliet vs. Christian Lance
First period
Kerkvliet gets the first takedown and leads 2-0.

Second period
Kerkvliet gets a takedown late in the second for a 4-1 lead. He has 2:41 in riding time.

Third period
Kerkvliet down. He's out in about 10 seconds. It's 5-1, and the riding time point is assured. Stall penalty on Lance. It's 6-1. With riding time, Kerkvliet wins, 7-1.
Love that Kerk was really going after Lance, but bummer that he couldn’t get one more takedown to get the major. Mark this one down if we lose a very close team race.
 

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EVERYONE. Make sure you get your tickets for Nationals !!!! We need to outnumber Iowa and EVERYONE…..Been going for years now and it’s simply insane. Nothing like being there Live. Come cheer our team on to the National Championship. 👍🥇
 
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He screamed in agony. Ref rightfully stopped it. Smith was granted choice and took bottom.
Nothing rightful in my opinion. That was extremely lame. Maybe that scoring rule should be looked at. My problem is that all athletes (especially football players and wrestlers) are usually competing with some sort of aches, pains, dings, dare I say “injuries.” He wasn’t in a dangerous position and he was going to lose that shot (if I’m wrong please correct me because I’m watching on my phone). If you can strap it on, you can’t get the benefit of stifling an opponent’s offense because something hurts. That being said, I don’t know why his opponents haven’t worked that shoulder the whole tournament… And I’m just not saying it because it’s Kem-Dog. I’ve never agreed with stoppages like that. They seem to sometimes help out reeling wrestlers.
 
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Tough consolation for Drew against Patrick McKee who beat him in last year's NCAA tournament. Any idea when that one starts?
 

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Tough consolation for Drew against Patrick McKee who beat him in last year's NCAA tournament. Any idea when that one starts?
Yes. Drew wrestles this evening during Semifinals….Drew can beat him IF he looks for angles on his feet.
 

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Geez. We have a small crowd at this tournament. That’s VERY rare for PSU. Let’s ALL get our National tournament tickets. Got my 8….
 

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I mean we have 10 spots at 125 Drew should be at nationals.

Bartlett and Edsell have to wrestle to make it. 7 spots not counting wild cards.
 

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Nothing rightful in my opinion. That was extremely lame. Maybe that scoring rule should be looked at. My problem is that all athletes (especially football players and wrestlers) are usually competing with some sort of aches, pains, dings, dare I say “injuries.” He wasn’t in a dangerous position and he was going to lose that shot (if I’m wrong please correct me because I’m watching on my phone). If you can strap it on, you can’t get the benefit of stifling an opponent’s offense because something hurts. That being said, I don’t know why his opponents haven’t worked that shoulder the whole tournament… And I’m just not saying it because it’s Kem-Dog. I’ve never agreed with stoppages like that. They seem to sometimes help out reeling wrestlers.
All fair points.

What if two guys shoot at the same time, knock heads, and one guy gets it worse than the other? The rules don’t allow the other wrestler to jump on him and get the pin.

I should read the rule. I don’t know to what extent the referee has discretion. You’re right. A takedown for Smith seemed fair, even taking into account Kem’s injury. Another fair point is that if you wrestle with an injury, you accept the risk that the injury could cause you pain and harm your chances in the match.

I was simply going on what I’ve always seen. Injury occurs, referee calls injury time, other guy gets choice. That said, I can recall other times where the injury is so fluid within the match that the wrestling is not stopped until the action completes, which could include the takedown or other.

In the end, I agree with you more than I originally did, but I also didn’t disagree with the ref’s call. It just seems like how they call it. It also seems like it can be gamed.

Interested to see if Kem wrestled tonight. Seems wiser to rest his shoulder, but I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
 
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Tryingtodoitright

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All fair points.

What if two guys shoot at the same time, knock heads, and one guy gets it worse than the other? The rules don’t allow the other wrestler to jump on him and get the pin.

I should read the rule. I don’t know to what extent the referee has discretion. You’re right. A takedown for Smith seemed fair, even taking into account Kem’s injury. Another fair point is that if you wrestle with an injury, you accept the risk that the injury could cause you pain and harm your chances in the match.

I was simply going on what I’ve always seen. Injury occurs, referee calls injury time, other guy gets choice. That said, I can recall other times where the injury is so fluid within the match that the wrestling is not stopped until the action completes, which could include the takedown or other.

In the end, I agree with you more than I originally did, but I also didn’t disagree with the ref’s call. It just seems like how they call it. It also seems like it can be gamed.

Interested to see if Kem wrestled tonight. Seems wiser to rest his shoulder, but I guess we’ll find out soon enough
 
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All fair points.

What if two guys shoot at the same time, knock heads, and one guy gets it worse than the other? The rules don’t allow the other wrestler to jump on him and get the pin.

I should read the rule. I don’t know to what extent the referee has discretion. You’re right. A takedown for Smith seemed fair, even taking into account Kem’s injury. Another fair point is that if you wrestle with an injury, you accept the risk that the injury could cause you pain and harm your chances in the match.

I was simply going on what I’ve always seen. Injury occurs, referee calls injury time, other guy gets choice. That said, I can recall other times where the injury is so fluid within the match that the wrestling is not stopped until the action completes, which could include the takedown or other.

In the end, I agree with you more than I originally did, but I also didn’t disagree with the ref’s call. It just seems like how they call it. It also seems like it can be gamed.

Interested to see if Kem wrestled tonight. Seems wiser to rest his shoulder, but I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
I too agree with almost all your points and I don’t think Big Mike “faked it,” but I do think that stoppage increased his chances of staying in the match greatly. He’s a tough kid so I can never see him quitting on a match, but I think he would’ve had to tap reserves he usually doesn’t dip into if he would’ve given up 2 there. I am also ignorant to the level of discretion given to officials. Wrestling is just the only I know where there are in-match, game, etc. stoppages when you’re essentially on defense.

I took a long way to get here, but to answer you’re question, no way should a wrestler be able to benefit from a head knock. I know TnT are intense, but zI would talk him out of going tonight (because you know he wants to). They’ll he a bigger fight soon enough…

Good take though Sonny… I appreciate when folks can disagree and not cut each other.
 
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