2024 - 2025 Premier League Thread

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Man City-Arsenal was nuts. Arsenal nearly got the win on the road despite playing with 10 men for over half the match.
 

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TV Schedule This Weekend (9/28, 9/29, 9/30)

Saturday
7:30 am EDT -- Newcastle U. vs. Man C. (USA Network)
10:00 am EDT -- Brentford vs. West Ham U. (USA Network)
10:00 am EDT -- Nottingham Forest vs. Fulham (Peacock)
10:00 am EDT -- Everton vs. Crystal Palace (Peacock)
10:00 am EDT -- Arsenal vs. Leicester C. (Peacock)
10:00 am EDT -- Chelsea vs. Brighton & Hove Albion (Peacock)
12:30 pm EDT -- Wolverhampton Wanderers vs. Liverpool (USA Network)

Sunday
9:00 am EDT -- Ipswich Town vs. Aston Villa (USA Network)
11:30 am EDT -- Man U. vs. Tottenham Hotspur (USA Network)

Monday
3:00 pm EDT -- AFC Bournemouth vs. Southampton (USA Network)
 
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Final: Newcastle United 1, Manchester City 1

Anthony Gordon with the equalizer on a penalty kick in the 2nd half.
 

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Halftime: Chelsea 4, Brighton 2

Cole Palmer with all four goals for Chelsea (one on a penalty kick), in the 1st half.
 

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Manchester United v. Tottenham starting in a few minutes on USA. Son is out today for Spurs. The studio guys on USA are talking about seven hag’s hot seat.
 

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Tottenham 1, Untied 0. Johnson scores into a wide open goal in the 3rd minute, set up brilliantly by van de Ven.
 

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Still 1-0, Spurs, approaching halftime. Untied lose Bruno Fernandes to a red card in the 42nd minute due to a high tackle. It clearly wasn’t intentional. Bad break for Untied.
 

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Still 1-0, Spurs, approaching halftime. Untied lose Bruno Fernandes to a red card in the 42nd minute due to a high tackle. It clearly wasn’t intentional. Bad break for Untied.
It was the height of the foul but he was clearly slipping as he reached. It’s a yellow all day long, but a really harsh straight red. To be fair United deserved to be a man down for coming out that flat at home after a poor mid week showing.
 

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It was the height of the foul but he was clearly slipping as he reached. It’s a yellow all day long, but a really harsh straight red. To be fair United deserved to be a man down for coming out that flat at home after a poor mid week showing.

Despite what the color analyst says in the below video, the height wasn't much of a factor in the call, IMHO. Fernandes would have been shown a card if he had hit Maddison in the ankle area. For several years, FIFA, US Soccer, etc., in their ongoing training of referees, ongoing videos sent out to refs, has really stressed that cleats to the body on a challenge should almost always result in a red card. About the only exception is a challenge where one or both of the players ends up rolling, and in contact after the initial challenge, there is an inadvertent cleats to the body as the player(s) are rolling around.

The red card may seem harsh, in that Fernandes didn't hit Maddison all that hard with his cleat. But that's not really something the ref is supposed to factor into the evaluation.

 
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Despite what the color analyst says in the below video, the height wasn't much of a factor in the call, IMHO. Fernandes would have been shown a card if he had hit Maddison in the ankle area. For several years, FIFA, US Soccer, etc., in their ongoing training of referees, ongoing videos sent out to refs, has really stressed that cleats to the body on a challenge should almost always result in a red card. About the only exception is a challenge where one or both of the players ends up rolling, and in contact after the initial challenge, there is an inadvertent cleats to the body as the player(s) are rolling around.

The red card may seem harsh, in that Fernandes didn't hit Maddison all that hard with his cleat. But that's not really something the ref is supposed to factor into the evaluation.


Except his spikes missed the player in question and the side of foot grazed the player, but the dive/acting which again bad refs don't account for made it look worse than it was. Bruno does this acting/diving (they all do) on simple fouls and sometimes it does work on producing a card. If anything that was a karma card for a notorious flopper.

There wasn't real force to the side of his shin from the side of Bruno's foot, but there was contact. It wasn't a spike out foul at all. Mattison's reaction to the red and Bruno said it all as Mattison even knew it was harsh. I have yet to read opinions of people that I trust in the game say that is a no brainer red card.

It's a foul all day long and a yellow as Mattison was clearly about to break which it did slow up, but that isn't a straight red. Never was and if that is what FIFA is pumping down refs throats it explains the total lack of quality in officiating. The refs aren't there to be the stars of the show (2 weeks in a row in big matches) and a straight red card should really be warranted. If that was a second yellow, no problem with that at all, but that isn't the case. Spurs were probably going to win if United had 12 men the way they were playing. They deserved to lose and more than likely would have even without that red card.

If you want to believe that was a good call, by all means feel free to. I'll disagree all day long on this one as the side of a foot weakly hitting the side of a shin by a player who slipped is indeed very harsh for straight red.



However, that doesn't change the fact that this should have been a VAR review to downgrade red to yellow.

For Kavanagh and especially his assistant, who was flagging furiously as Maddison went down, you can see why they went for a red card. Fernandes went in high at around shin height, had no prospect of playing the ball and at first looked like it was cynical with studs into the opponent.


Yet once different camera angles were shown, it became clear that Fernandes had not led with, or made any contact with his studs, and there was low force. It was a glancing blow with the outside of his boot.

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