2024-25 PSU MBB Thread

Erial_Lion

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Need to defend better than that to beat a decent team on the road. We couldn’t get stops when we needed them, and it really should have been an easier win for Indiana if they made their FTs.
 

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How many games has Rhodes lost in the last 2 minutes of a close game. Too many. He is an awful coach in the closing minutes of a game. Awful.
 
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Honestly, I think they should pare it down to a twelve team tournament.
I think that 16 is the right number. 4 games on Wednesday just like Thursday and Friday. I said it at the time, but I have no idea how they landed on an odd number like 15.
 

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I think that 16 is the right number. 4 games on Wednesday just like Thursday and Friday. I said it at the time, but I have no idea how they landed on an odd number like 15.

I prefer twelve so the top teams are rewarded for the regular season with a bye.
 

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So now we play the "can we hold on to any talent?" game during the offseason. Oh joy.
 

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Year after year, we learn that results in close games are related a lot more to
Year after year, we learn that results in close games are related a lot more to variance than coaching.
I respectfully disagree. If 'variance' is a factor, one would assume it is somewhat random, thus PSU would win approximately one half of the close games. PSU won none of these. To not include 'coaching' has an explanatory variable is unwise.
 

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I respectfully disagree. If 'variance' is a factor, one would assume it is somewhat random, thus PSU would win approximately one half of the close games. PSU won none of these. To not include 'coaching' has an explanatory variable is unwise.
I guess confirmation bias plays into it too. We won “none” of our close games, yet Northwestern had the ball down 2 with under 5 seconds left, and Rutgers cut it to 3 with ~20 seconds left? What is considered a “close game” if those aren’t?

Year after year, fans/gamblers read too much into coaches/teams losing close games, when year after year, data will show us it’s mostly “noise”. A team that loses close games early in the season is no more likely to lose them later, and coaches that lose close games this year are no more likely to lose them next year. Gonzaga is now 0-7 in games decided in OT or by two possessions (6 points) or less this season…is that because Mark Few suddenly forgot how to coach?
 

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Year after year, we learn that results in close games are related a lot more to variance than coaching.
Last I saw we were #350 in KenPom's "luck" measure. On the surface that implies we have had bad luck. But what it really means is that we are significantly underperforming relative to what the in-season metrics imply.

Same thing happened under Chambers. The luck measure is the residual of actual vs. expected performance. It captures everything that cannot be specified in the model, including coaching and late-game decision making.
 

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Last I saw we were #350 in KenPom's "luck" measure. On the surface that implies we have had bad luck. But what it really means is that we are significantly underperforming relative to what the in-season metrics imply.

Same thing happened under Chambers. The luck measure is the residual of actual vs. expected performance. It captures everything that cannot be specified in the model, including coaching and late-game decision making.
The luck rating is measuring your offensive/defensive efficiency vs your record…so it finds teams that are blowing people out and losing close games, vs those that win close games and get blown out.

We’re currently 355th. Based on our overall performance, we should have 3 more wins. The Gonzaga team I just mentioned is 351st.
 

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Year after year, we learn that results in close games are related a lot more to variance than coaching.
I often wonder how people today can even play pickup games of any sport without a coach there telling them how to play. It’s like every dumb play, turnover, or missed shot is the coach’s fault.
 
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I often wonder how people today can even play pickup games of any sport without a coach there telling them how to play. It’s like every dumb play, turnover, or missed shot is the coach’s fault.
I've been bitching about this for years. Do kids even play pickup baseball or bball any more? Little kids play t-ball and soccer from about 6 years of age and it's always supervised. Gotta have uniforms. Gotta have parents in attendance. Gotta have snacks after games. My generation played baseball every day in the summer. No coaches. No parents. No pressure. We also played league games, but that was nowhere near as supervised as it is now. Never heard a parent yell at a coach or umpire. That's my rant.
 

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I've been bitching about this for years. Do kids even play pickup baseball or bball any more? Little kids play t-ball and soccer from about 6 years of age and it's always supervised. Gotta have uniforms. Gotta have parents in attendance. Gotta have snacks after games. My generation played baseball every day in the summer. No coaches. No parents. No pressure. We also played league games, but that was nowhere near as supervised as it is now. Never heard a parent yell at a coach or umpire. That's my rant.
No pressure? My pickup games were pressure packed. But it was awesome fun.
 
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Are any of the 'seniors' planning on coming back next year? I know its early to declare for the portal but just wondering if anyone has hinted at their decisions.
 

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I was thinking Puff and Dunn had one more but guess they actually were class of 2020 HS kids
Puff and Ace were both 2020 and played their 5 years, including the 2020-2021 COVID year. Kern, Dunn, and Hicks were 2021, but played their 4 years so they are out of eligibility.