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[HarrisburgDave]

If you know anything about ballistics (I trust you do not), this is a complete joke to think that very, very slight change would have been cause by the magic bullet is hand slapping ludicrous.

Ask Dr. Wecht.

Ask the Doctors in the ER?

What would they know?!

Actually this is a good point to show how the conspiracy theorists only show the side view without deformation. These angles show the forceful changes in shape. Of course, this view is not a good one to show if you want to push an argument that is ********. The bullet went thru Kennedy, but his soft tissue, and was decelerating as it injured the Governor. No less a student of criminal activity, Arlen Spector then Philadelphia DA, looked at the evidence and found this compelling. It sizes up with the appearance of Kennedys throat exit wound and that the bullet was found on the Governors stretcher. So do not act as though uneducated people with little experience came up with the single bullet conclusion. Like most things from the critics, that is not true.

 

[MacNit2.0]

I would have to go back and reread Wecht's stuff, but my recollection was that his objections were mostly over the "magic bullet theory" and not the fatal head shot.


Again, it was NOT a "top" security clearance. It was a routine Confidential level clearance that every single member of his unit would have had.

I have spoken directly to Dr. Wecht in numerous occasions. He gives a pretty solid 90 minute presentation that refutes tbecWarren Commisuon.

BTW, the HSCA also refuted the Warren Commission.

 

[MacNit2.0]

The Ruby shooting is one of the things that really fueled the conspiracy theories, and rightly so.

Ruby claims it was a spur of the moment decision, and he wanted to save Jackie Kennedy from having to go through a trial.

But, man, it muddies the waters.

Simply places a bow on the case. Open and shut conspiracy.

 

[HarrisburgDave]

When there is a top murder care in the country for past 60 years, who was turned to? Not the two people who conducted their very first autopsy on JFK!

How about the ER doctors? All are mistaken I guess.

If you bother to listen to the interviews of the trauma room physicians they later came to the conclusion that they mistook the exit wound for an entrance wound. They were not even aware that Kennedy was shot in the back! We have their interviews after they looked at the autopsy photographs and xrays at the national archives. The trauma room doctors who took their time to go to Washington decades after the event unanimously came to the conclusion they were confused at the time of the assassination. Can't blame them.

 

[MacNit2.0]

The problem is there were three shots. It would have required an impossible coordination for multiple shots from different locations to come off as three shots. Nobody, that is nobody, heard a shot from the Secret Service.

As hard as it is to believe the President was murdered by a single nut. The incredible, and they are incredible, theories of conspiracies have no evidence to support them. I will not suspend belief in reality to buy any of them.

Not hard at all…In fact quite easy for trained assassins.

You might want to look into the role of the “Umbrella Man” and “the Cuban.” Most likely they played a role.

Again, the truest incredible conspiracy theory that stretch all belief and logic is the lone nutter conspiracy theory.

 

[MacNit2.0]

I would have to go back and reread Wecht's stuff, but my recollection was that his objections were mostly over the "magic bullet theory" and not the fatal head shot.


Again, it was NOT a "top" security clearance. It was a routine Confidential level clearance that every single member of his unit would have had.

Irrelevant. He was there.

 

[MacNit2.0]

My dear neighbor served in Vietnam and had a similar security clearance. He was a sweet man, but dumb as a stump. They hand those clearances out like potato chips. Does anyone seriously think the Soviets would have let Oswald come and go if he possessed special knowledge of anything? They shipped him off to work in a city in the provinces, where he would be less of a problem with his inflated ego and twisted sense of self. They sized him up as a nut case and trouble and they were right.

They eyeballed him closely for years suspecting a plant and they were proven correct.

Lots can be derived from open Soviet files. Not sure what about what Putin have done with them now.

 

[slwlion01]

On an Icebreaker in Antarctica. Got the news via CW (Morse code).

 

[MacNit2.0]

I have no doubt that Wecht is a smart guy, and obviously qualified to have an opinion. The problem comes in when it comes to motive. Do I think Wecht is lying? No.

But you don't get on TV to discuss the Jon Benet Ramsey case by agreeing with the Warren Commission. There is incentive for him to have an alternative theory.

Are his motives pure? I have no idea.....

Well he was invited to do the autopsy on RFK too. Guess they were setting him up for the all important Jon Benet case in 1968?

You lone nutter conspiracy theorists are a real hoot.

Want another gasp. Read the autopsy report of RFK. And then compare it to the Sirhan Sirhan story

 

[MacNit2.0]

As did many bullets fired into cadavers to try to prove or disprove the theory....

And it is not pristine. The lead core is exposed from fairly significant flattening of the bullet. Not coincidentally, the fragments removed from Connally's wrist wound were found to be lead, not copper.

Again, it is very, very slightly distorted. But is not at all (to put it mildly) consistent with the what would have transpired. Not even remotely close (or even possible).

 

[MacNit2.0]

OK, if we are treading into the witness "mystery deaths" we are venturing into lunacy territory. Seriously.

Seriously? Have you reviewed them? Coincidences to the level of over 1 trillion to 1.

But not needed to prove conspiracy. Interesting/fascinating supporting evidence though.

 

[MacNit2.0]

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Actually this is a good point to show how the conspiracy theorists only show the side view without deformation. These angles show the forceful changes in shape. Of course, this view is not a good one to show if you want to push an argument that is ********. The bullet went thru Kennedy, but his soft tissue, and was decelerating as it injured the Governor. No less a student of criminal activity, Arlen Spector then Philadelphia DA, looked at the evidence and found this compelling. It sizes up with the appearance of Kennedys throat exit wound and that the bullet was found on the Governors stretcher. So do not act as though uneducated people with little experience came up with the single bullet conclusion. Like most things from the critics, that is not true.

Wecht laughs at Spector’s conclusions.

I will take his word (along with many, many others) over Spectors. It is all a laughable concoction to try and fit a narrative created to sell to the public. It was an amazing web to try to assemble (kudos to Arlen for trying).

But in the end, it is simply an out there lone nutter conspiracy theory.

 

[MacNit2.0]

If you bother to listen to the interviews of the trauma room physicians they later came to the conclusion that they mistook the exit wound for an entrance wound. They were not even aware that Kennedy was shot in the back! We have their interviews after they looked at the autopsy photographs and xrays at the national archives. The trauma room doctors who took their time to go to Washington decades after the event unanimously came to the conclusion they were confused at the time of the assassination. Can't blame them.

I have listened to and read all of their testimony. And others as well (Secret Service, hospital staff)..

All have stated entrance wound in front of head, exit would in back of head. Consistent with shot from front, Zapruder film, eyewitness testimony, other film and still shots, and Dr. Wecht.

Conspiracy.

 

[PSU87]

Seriously? Have you reviewed them? Coincidences to the level of over 1 trillion to 1.

But not needed to prove conspiracy. Interesting/fascinating supporting evidence though.

Yeah, I have.

Couple things...

The odds you cite do not take into account the huge number of people involved in the events.

Many of the "mystery deaths" involve people with only a fringe involvement in the case. For example, the judge presiding over the Jack Ruby trial.

Many of the mystery deaths were of natural causes in people of extreme age. But if you want to list Clay Shaw's cancer death as suspicious...knock yourself out.

Many of the deaths were people who had either already testified and were no longer involved or who had testified in support of the official story. In other words people who it would have made no sense to kill.

The Ruby thing, the possible CIA connections with Ruth Paine, the rushed autopsy....all grounds for wondering about a conspiracy.

The mystery deaths are pure hooey up there with the switched casket and doctored body theories.

 

[PSU87]

Simply places a bow on the case. Open and shut conspiracy.

I don't know what you do for a living, but in my career, proof requires an awful lot more than that.

As I admitted, makes you go hmmmmm....and warrants additional investigation.

Hardly open and shut.

Lest we forget, the transfer would have happened prior to Ruby arriving except at the last minute Oswald requested a jacket.

So unless we are admitting Oswald was complicit in his own death, Ruby wouldn't have had the opportunity to do it.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Yeah, I have.

Couple things...

The odds you cite do not take into account the huge number of people involved in the events.

Many of the "mystery deaths" involve people with only a fringe involvement in the case. For example, the judge presiding over the Jack Ruby trial.

Many of the mystery deaths were of natural causes in people of extreme age. But if you want to list Clay Shaw's cancer death as suspicious...knock yourself out.

Many of the deaths were people who had either already testified and were no longer involved or who had testified in support of the official story. In other words people who it would have made no sense to kill.

The Ruby thing, the possible CIA connections with Ruth Paine, the rushed autopsy....all grounds for wondering about a conspiracy.

The mystery deaths are pure hooey up there with the switched casket and doctored body theories.

Pure hooey? Doubtful. Read through all of them and then think “do I know anyone who died in this fashion”.

Dorothy Kilgarren is a prime example. But there are many others close to the case who have had their lives destroyed. And most of them just normal people trying to lead normal lives.

Of course, it must be some huge coincidence. Or it could be the most likely solution to a problem.

Again, more lone nutter conspiracy explanations.

 

[MacNit2.0]

I don't know what you do for a living, but in my career, proof requires an awful lot more than that.

As I admitted, makes you go hmmmmm....and warrants additional investigation.

Hardly open and shut.

Lest we forget, the transfer would have happened prior to Ruby arriving except at the last minute Oswald requested a jacket.

So unless we are admitting Oswald was complicit in his own death, Ruby wouldn't have had the opportunity to do it.

Intersting to challenge what I do for a living.

Not going down that path other than to say it requires mathematical proof.

In this case, Ruby had stalked LHO since he was arrested. It is on film, for Pete’s sake…he even spoke up at one of Oswald’s public interrogations and corrected a questioner!

Just another coincidence (what are we up to -,about 1000?).

Ruby finally got a clear chance and sealed the deal.

Have you been to Ruby’s residence? Oswald’s boarding house? The Texas Theater? Where JDT was killed?
Breathakingly close and aligned!

Heard from witnesses who saw them together and conversing?

Just another pesky coincidence for the lone nutters.

 

[PSU89er]

Again, it is very, very slightly distorted. But is not at all (to put it mildly) consistent with the what would have transpired. Not even remotely close (or even possible).

Slightly distorted. That bullet hit something very hard sidewise to flatten it. Like pound it with a hammer hard, or hit a solid object at about 1500 feet per second. I guess 4 inches of rib would do it. A lot of people really don't follow the investigation. IF they did they would know the that bullet that hit Connelly hit something else first because it has a keyhole entry wound into his back. Of course, that would match the bullet hitting his rib sidewise. Its basically been proved with modern computer modeling that the single bullet theory is pretty full of proof, and should be foolproof, but there are a lot of fools out there.

Couple things MacNit.

Your hero Dr. Wecht testified to congress in the 70s under oath, that JFK was hit twice from behind. He has never disputed that fact. HE actually said to congress that it is remotely possible that a second shooter hit JFK from the front or the side at the exact same time he was hit from behind. I bet he never says that in any of his presentation, but he's made a good living at it for a lot of years from people who love the conspiracy theory.

I used to think there was more to it, but in really looking into it. Oswald likely acted alone, and if you just look at the facts of the shooting and nothing else, its hard to come to another conclusion. The Zapruder film actually confirms that JFK was hit from behind. Check out figure two of this study. His head did move forward on contact. Its plain as day.

Gunshot-wound dynamics model for John F. Kennedy assassination - PMC

U.S. President John F. Kennedy was assassinated while riding in an open motorcade by a sniper in Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963. A civilian bystander, Mr. Abraham Zapruder, filmed the motorcade with a 8-mm home movie camera as it drove through ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also, a great documentary floating around youtube on all the events at TSBD the day of the assassination. Very well researched.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Slightly distorted. That bullet hit something very hard sidewise to flatten it. Like pound it with a hammer hard, or hit a solid object at about 1500 feet per second. I guess 4 inches of rib would do it. A lot of people really don't follow the investigation. IF they did they would know the that bullet that hit Connelly hit something else first because it has a keyhole entry would into his back. Of course, that would match the bullet hitting his rib sidewise. Its basically been proved with modern computer modeling that the single bullet theory is pretty full of proof, and should be foolproof, but there are a lot of fools out there.

Couple things MacNit.

Your hero Dr. Wecht testified to congress in the 70s under oath, that JFK was hit twice from behind. He has never disputed that fact. HE actually said to congress that it is remotely possible that a second shooter hit JFK from the front or the side at the exact same time he was hit from behind. I bet he never says that in any of his presentation, but he's made a good living at it for a lot of years from people who love the conspiracy theory.

I used to think there was more to it, but in really looking into it. Oswald likely acted alone, and if you just look at the facts of the shooting and nothing else, its hard to come to another conclusion. The Zapruder film actually confirms that JFK was hit from behind. Check out figure two of this study. His head did move forward on contact. Its plan as day.

Gunshot-wound dynamics model for John F. Kennedy assassination - PMC

U.S. President John F. Kennedy was assassinated while riding in an open motorcade by a sniper in Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963. A civilian bystander, Mr. Abraham Zapruder, filmed the motorcade with a 8-mm home movie camera as it drove through ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Also, a great documentary floating around youtube on all the events at TSBD the day of the assassination. Very well researched.

Not at all true. The single bullet theory is just as unlikely as ever. In fact, virtually impossible to get the amount of deformation. Va what it is being “ asked” to do. Dr. Wecht (my hero on this type of subject, yes) has stated this unequivocally.

And he is very much in the record now in a kill shot from the front. I have seen him, in person, review the Zapruder film to confirm this. Again, for 60 years he has been the top expert in his field. No one is even close. Before I was even born.
You have not even come close to looking into this assassination enough if you think Oswald was a lone nut shooting from the 6th floor.

Most experts (not all, but most) agree that the ballistics confirm a conspiracy. As do most eyewitnesses. And there are mountains of additional evidence. Easy acquittal for Oswald

You are correct, most people are not fully acquainted with the facts. If they were and were not subverted for subverted fur so long, there would be a much greater uproar. Lots of very well researched books and documentaries out there. Don’t be so trusting in one or two which confirms your beliefs.

Back to Wecht. Check out RFK’s autopsy.. Your jaw will drop.

Or maybe just coincidence 1001…

 

[dcf4psu]

Willis slide #7

 

[dcf4psu]

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Actually this is a good point to show how the conspiracy theorists only show the side view without deformation. These angles show the forceful changes in shape. Of course, this view is not a good one to show if you want to push an argument that is ********. The bullet went thru Kennedy, but his soft tissue, and was decelerating as it injured the Governor. No less a student of criminal activity, Arlen Spector then Philadelphia DA, looked at the evidence and found this compelling. It sizes up with the appearance of Kennedys throat exit wound and that the bullet was found on the Governors stretcher. So do not act as though uneducated people with little experience came up with the single bullet conclusion. Like most things from the critics, that is not true.

Also of note and it was 100% repeatable by ballistics is the bullet began to tumble existing the President's throat and was sideways when it entered Governor Connolly.

 

[PSU89er]

Well, if Wecht is so certain these days that JFK was hit from the front. He didn’t seem so certain on September 7, 1978. Wecht has always disputed the single bullet, but that JFK was hit in the head from behind was not contended, and he even called the possibility of JFK being hit from the front, very meager and extremely remote. This is also after he had over 10 years to look at the data. Facts, and written history are hard to neglect. It was Wechts own testimony that has soured me on everything about him. Like I’ve already said, he made a lot of money off JFK. If he is changing his own story now. It fits in with most conspiracy people who go with things said years after the fact, instead of what was said at the time.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol1/pdf/HSCA_Vol1_0907_8_Wecht.pdf

Page 346

Mr. PURDY. Dr. Wecht, you stated earlier that you have a disagreement with the certainty of the forensic pathology panel's conclusion that the President was struck in the head with only one bullet. If the President was struck by a second bullet in the head, how close in time to the first bullet do you think the other came?

Dr. WECHT. If the President had been struck in the head with a second bullet, then it would have been fired in synchronized fashion simultaneous with the shot that did strike him in the rear of the head, as has been presented here today.

Mr. PURDY. Dr. Wecht, what evidence is there which supports the possibility that there was a shot from the side or from the lower right rear?

Dr. WECHT. Very meager, and the possibility based upon the existing evidence is extremely remote…………

Also, I do assume you know that they did held a pretty serious mock trail of Oswald in the mid 80s using Gary Spence, who never lost a real case, as Oswald defense attorney. He was found guilty.

Spence also said that Vincent Bugliosi, was the best prosecuting's attorney he's ever come up against, and that's who presented the other side.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Well, if Wecht is so certain these days that JFK was hit from the front. He didn’t seem so certain on September 7, 1978. Wecht has always disputed the single bullet, but that JFK was hit in the head from behind was not contended, and he even called the possibility of JFK being hit from the front, very meager and extremely remote. This is also after he had over 10 years to look at the data. Facts, and written history are hard to neglect. It was Wechts own testimony that has soured me on everything about him. Like I’ve already said, he made a lot of money off JFK. If he is changing his own story now. It fits in with most conspiracy people who go with things said years after the fact, instead of what was said at the time.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol1/pdf/HSCA_Vol1_0907_8_Wecht.pdf

Page 346

Mr. PURDY. Dr. Wecht, you stated earlier that you have a disagreement with the certainty of the forensic pathology panel's conclusion that the President was struck in the head with only one bullet. If the President was struck by a second bullet in the head, how close in time to the first bullet do you think the other came?

Dr. WECHT. If the President had been struck in the head with a second bullet, then it would have been fired in synchronized fashion simultaneous with the shot that did strike him in the rear of the head, as has been presented here today.

Mr. PURDY. Dr. Wecht, what evidence is there which supports the possibility that there was a shot from the side or from the lower right rear?

Dr. WECHT. Very meager, and the possibility based upon the existing evidence is extremely remote…………

Also, I do assume you know that they did held a pretty serious mock trail of Oswald in the mid 80s using Gary Spence, who never lost a real case, as Oswald defense attorney. He was found guilty.

Spence also said that Vincent Bugliosi, was the best prosecuting's attorney he's ever come up against, and that's who presented the other side.

Lots has changed over 40 years. We have an incredible amount of additional evidence. And weaving together info that has been released from files kept from the American public (and those with the end of the Soviet Union) for years and adding it to studies conducted at the time (impossible to get off shots in time) have helped better establish what most believe - conspiracy.

Some lone nutter conspiracy theorists remain but ballistics, testimony, files, and plain old common sense have shown that the conspiracy theory of the line but is pure fantasy land.

BTW, Dr. Wecht confirmed this again today!

Today’s challenge is to simply establish as many of the conspirators as possible and bring to justice any that remain alive.

 

[PSU87]

Well, if Wecht is so certain these days that JFK was hit from the front. He didn’t seem so certain on September 7, 1978. Wecht has always disputed the single bullet, but that JFK was hit in the head from behind was not contended, and he even called the possibility of JFK being hit from the front, very meager and extremely remote. This is also after he had over 10 years to look at the data. Facts, and written history are hard to neglect. It was Wechts own testimony that has soured me on everything about him. Like I’ve already said, he made a lot of money off JFK. If he is changing his own story now. It fits in with most conspiracy people who go with things said years after the fact, instead of what was said at the time.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol1/pdf/HSCA_Vol1_0907_8_Wecht.pdf

Page 346

Mr. PURDY. Dr. Wecht, you stated earlier that you have a disagreement with the certainty of the forensic pathology panel's conclusion that the President was struck in the head with only one bullet. If the President was struck by a second bullet in the head, how close in time to the first bullet do you think the other came?

Dr. WECHT. If the President had been struck in the head with a second bullet, then it would have been fired in synchronized fashion simultaneous with the shot that did strike him in the rear of the head, as has been presented here today.

Mr. PURDY. Dr. Wecht, what evidence is there which supports the possibility that there was a shot from the side or from the lower right rear?

Dr. WECHT. Very meager, and the possibility based upon the existing evidence is extremely remote…………

Also, I do assume you know that they did held a pretty serious mock trail of Oswald in the mid 80s using Gary Spence, who never lost a real case, as Oswald defense attorney. He was found guilty.

Spence also said that Vincent Bugliosi, was the best prosecuting's attorney he's ever come up against, and that's who presented the other side.

Its the biggest problem for the conspiracy theorists...

The experts and the witnesses are constantly playing the "what story can I tell to get on TV or get my book published" game

 

[PSU89er]

Its the biggest problem for the conspiracy theorists...

The experts and the witnesses are constantly playing the "what story can I tell to get on TV or get my book published" game

I would really recommend the documentary I posted if you are interested in the JFK shooting. Its 100% fact driven, very well done and points out that a lot of people had to have been wrong about things they were saying right up front. It is testimony driven and the testimonies conflict. He does give his own opinion in the end, but up to that. He's just going for facts.

I think the guy doing it is French. He has other videos on Jack the Ripper and DB Cooper. He's good at what he does.

 

[PSU87]

Intersting to challenge what I do for a living.

Not going down that path other than to say it requires mathematical proof.

In this case, Ruby had stalked LHO since he was arrested. It is on film, for Pete’s sake…he even spoke up at one of Oswald’s public interrogations and corrected a questioner!

Just another coincidence (what are we up to -,about 1000?).

Ruby finally got a clear chance and sealed the deal.

Have you been to Ruby’s residence? Oswald’s boarding house? The Texas Theater? Where JDT was killed?
Breathakingly close and aligned!

Heard from witnesses who saw them together and conversing?

Just another pesky coincidence for the lone nutters.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...
I am not challenging what you do for a living. I am asking.
Apologies if it sounded otherwise.

 

[MrTailgate]

It’s not an overreach to say that this single day altered history in seismic fashion. I think it’s safe to say that the nation’s spirit and innocence was shattered and many say it has never recovered. Many have stated that the decline in the US started on that day in Dallas. The conflict in Vietnam might have never accelerated with countless lives saved resulting in an absence of protest and changed attitudes in the nation’s youth. Heck, maybe Robert Zimmerman becomes a plumber instead of the voice of his generation. Maybe there is no massacre at Kent State and Max Yazgar never leases his land out for three days of peace, love, and music. You can go on and on.

 

[NewEra 2014]

It’s not an overreach to say that this single day altered history in seismic fashion. I think it’s safe to say that the nation’s spirit and innocence was shattered and many say it has never recovered. Many have stated that the decline in the US started on that day in Dallas. The conflict in Vietnam might have never accelerated with countless lives saved resulting in an absence of protest and changed attitudes in the nation’s youth. Heck, maybe Robert Zimmerman becomes a plumber instead of the voice of his generation. Maybe there is no massacre at Kent State and Max Yazgar never leases his land out for three days of peace, love, and music. You can go on and on.

Unless it was the CIA/FBI that killed Kennedy. In that case, it was just a continuation of the crap they have been pulling since at least WWII through this very day.

 

[FTLPSU]

George de Mohrenschildt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Another interesting character that 24 year old LHO just happened to bump into.

 

[PSU87]

Unless it was the CIA/FBI that killed Kennedy. In that case, it was just a continuation of the crap they have been pulling since at least WWII through this very day.

Sure, but my belief is if it was the CIA or FBI, it would have been discovered by now. Cointelpro, MK Ultra...none of that stuff stays secret forever.

If they were responsible for the Kennedy Assassination, someone woulda spilled it by now.

 

[PSU89er]

Lots has changed over 40 years.........

Nope nothing has changed in 60 years. What happened happened, and it hasn't changed at all. People keep on changing what they want to have happened, and nobody has learned a thing in the last 60 years that really wasn't known in the first couple of days regarding the actual shooting. People can go all into Oswald was this, and he was that. I'll even agree that if all of what people want to believe about Oswald was true, and you can tie him to anything you want. That doesn't change that he probably looked in the paper saw JFK was going by the place he worked and he decided to take him out, and he notified nobody of that decision.

Simple facts are somebody was shooting from that window, three people saw the gun being fired, and the curtain rods that Oswald took into work that morning were never found in the building, unless he didn't take in curtain rods, but he took in a gun instead. A gun that just happened to match all the bullets they found, and one that his wife thought was in the Payne garage until the FBI asked her to show them the gun and she showed them the blanket it was in and they unfolded it and no gun was there. That happened about two hours after the shooting.

One thing that really sells that Oswald was guilty to me. Marina Oswald after hearing JFK was shot and hearing that the location was beside the building he worked at. Went to the garage and was relieved to see the folded blanket. She assumed the gun was there when it wasn't, but what wife thinks her husband is capable of that, unless she knew he was capable of it.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Nope nothing has changed in 60 years. What happened happened, and it hasn't changed at all. People keep on changing what they want to have happened, and nobody has learned a thing in the last 60 years that really wasn't known in the first couple of days regarding the actual shooting. People can go all into Oswald was this, and he was that. I'll even agree that if all of what people want to believe about Oswald was true, and you can tie him to anything you want. That doesn't change that he probably looked in the paper saw JFK was going by the place he worked and he decided to take him out, and he notified nobody of that decision.

Simple facts are somebody was shooting from that window, three people saw the gun being fired, and the curtain rods that Oswald took into work that morning were never found in the building, unless he didn't take in curtain rods, but he took in a gun instead. A gun that just happened to match all the bullets they found, and one that his wife thought was in the Payne garage until the FBI asked her to show them the gun and she showed them the blanket it was in and they unfolded it and no gun was there. That happened about two hours after the shooting.

One thing that really sells that Oswald was guilty to me. Marina Oswald after hearing JFK was shot and hearing that the location was beside the building he worked at. Went to the garage and was relieved to see the folded blanket. She assumed the gun was there when it wasn't, but what wife thinks her husband is capable of that, unless she knew he was capable of it.

Absolute preposterous. One primary example: Zapruder film was not seen publicly until 1975.

Just finished the latest documentary on Paramount+.

First hand interviews of the Parkland doctors and other staff was at its core. All of which could have tried to enrich themselves. None did. They mostly have kept quiet. Some feared for their lives. Many were threatened. Brave men and women of integrity and honor.

They were amazingly consistent in what they saw. All from within 0-3 feet. Their documented testimony from 1963-64 is entirely consistent with their recollections by of today. Wounds on JFK consistent with shots from front-including kill shot. Backed up by the premiere forensic pathologist in the world. Very, very detailed first hand eyewitness testimony. Corroborated by first hand witnesses to the “autopsy” in Bethesda.

One thing that really jumped out: they laughed at the explanation provided by some paper-pushing Government bureaucrat (who was not a witness)!

For those dwindling few remaining lone nutter conspiracy theorists, highly recommended.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Nope nothing has changed in 60 years. What happened happened, and it hasn't changed at all. People keep on changing what they want to have happened, and nobody has learned a thing in the last 60 years that really wasn't known in the first couple of days regarding the actual shooting. People can go all into Oswald was this, and he was that. I'll even agree that if all of what people want to believe about Oswald was true, and you can tie him to anything you want. That doesn't change that he probably looked in the paper saw JFK was going by the place he worked and he decided to take him out, and he notified nobody of that decision.

Simple facts are somebody was shooting from that window, three people saw the gun being fired, and the curtain rods that Oswald took into work that morning were never found in the building, unless he didn't take in curtain rods, but he took in a gun instead. A gun that just happened to match all the bullets they found, and one that his wife thought was in the Payne garage until the FBI asked her to show them the gun and she showed them the blanket it was in and they unfolded it and no gun was there. That happened about two hours after the shooting.

One thing that really sells that Oswald was guilty to me. Marina Oswald after hearing JFK was shot and hearing that the location was beside the building he worked at. Went to the garage and was relieved to see the folded blanket. She assumed the gun was there when it wasn't, but what wife thinks her husband is capable of that, unless she knew he was capable of it.

As for the curtain rods, I met and spoke with and read the book of the man who drove Oswald to work that fatal day - Buell Wesley Frazier. He alone concocted the curtain rods story. Intersting fellow. Also a suspected conspirator. If you truly understand how a job like this is pulled off, entirely plausible. No one / very few persons know the entire story. They just do their small part in isolation.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Whoa, whoa, whoa...
I am not challenging what you do for a living. I am asking.
Apologies if it sounded otherwise.

No worries. Back at you.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Its the biggest problem for the conspiracy theorists...

The experts and the witnesses are constantly playing the "what story can I tell to get on TV or get my book published" game

You mean like Posner and Bugliosi? Two lone nut conspiracy theorists of the nth degree who have certainly profited from their nonsensical tripe.

 

[MacNit2.0]

Dr. Cyril Wecht continues to reject Warren Commission's findings on JFK's assassination

Sixty years ago today, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[BostonNit]

The Oliver Stone movie was entertaining for sure, but....

And the scene between Garrison and the mysterious military man played by Donald Sutherland? Complete and total fabrication.

I agree that the Sutherland character was an Oliver Stone fabrication. In that conversation between Garrison and the nameless Sutherland character, Stone found a way to present a synopsis of theories/events that would've taken hours to develop cinematically. The 3 hr movie would've been 5 hrs had he developed all that content, and it never would've played in a theater.

 

[Auxgym]

Here in the Wyoming Valley there is an old saying... Everyone remembers where they were on two dates,,, June 23, 1972 (The Agnes Flood) and November 22, 1963 (JFK assassination) .

and 9/11...

 

[Auxgym]

Who the hell does know. Unfortunately, the technology available at the time was what it was. An event like that today would have been captured by 100 cell phones from every angle.

I've read an awful lot about it over the years, and honestly, when you look at the facts, the official version is not as unbelievable as the conspiracy theorists make it out to be.

Two problems with most of the conspiracy theories...
1. Most if them rely on testimony that has changed over the years. For example, one of the more "famous" witnesses...can't remember if it was Moorman or Hill claimed to have run towards the grassy knoll moments after the shooting. However, photographs from that day taken many minutes after the event show her still standing in her original spot. The witnesses have changed their stories over the years.
2. The conspiracy would had to have been so large....Dallas PD, Secret Service, the Mob...there's just no way a conspiracy that big survives this long.

Plus....the conspiracy theorists do themselves no favors with some of the more outlandish tales...like fake trees in Dealey Plaza.

I disagree with your assumptions. Jack Ruby.........................a strip club owner basically commits suicide by killing Oswald because.......he loves the Kennedy's........give me a break. Could we possibly come up with a reasoning that is more absurd?

 

[pamdlion]

We didn't know then, don't know now, and never will know.

50 former intelligence experts have signed on together to say it wasn’t a conspiracy…oops never mind.