Yes I visited that place. The grassy knoll is right there and not “far away” as they said, it sits almost on top of it as the turn is made. Coffin corner is what it should be called. Amazing that was the route.
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Funny, they didn't have to make that fatal turn...could have headed straight A Piece and then gotten on the freeway.
That's their opinion, apparently- one which I happen to share, btw. But that's' not the same as knowing, which was my point.
If they went straight they cannot get on the exit of the freeway that was to take them to the trade mart. They had to make the goofy turns to do that. Had they went straight they could have gone to the trade mart on a longer route that does not include the freeway.
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Now, you got a 19 year old kid entrusted to make up a story to the cops to cover for (I really don't now what) right after the POTUS has been killed. BTW, you need to throw in Buell Wesley sister as a conspirator, as she saw the package as well.
At this point in time, when a guy has gone as far a you have on something like this. You are either just plain crazy, or you really don't believe what you are saying, and you like jerking people around.
Like I said before, if you really look into it, and use nothing but facts. Its gets pretty hard to not think Oswald did it and without any help. Based on everything I've ever read about Oswald. One of the funniest things about the whole assassination, is that if Oswald understood (and he thought he was doing to die, he wrote a goodbye letter to his wife) that after his death, people were not going to give him credit for killing JFK on his own. It would have really ticked him off.
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and yet as many people who were there, not one single person saw a shooter at that location. Also, if a gun was fired from that fence. Zapruder would have jumped out of his boots. Its all of 10 to 15 feet behind him.
Rubys sister said that he cried more about JFK getting shot than he did at their mother or fathers funerals. That doesn't make any sense to me either, but neither does gunning someone down.
That is not necessarily true. There were several people on the overpass who saw what could have been a shooter at that location.
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And if a sole shooter was in tne 6th floor, he would have fired at JFK as motorcade can almost to a complete stop.
Classic triangulation of fire is what actually happens. Very similar to how Stone hypothesized.
I had not heard this before. Apologies if it’s old news.
www.foxnews.com
JFK author discovered eerie incident that occurred a year before the assassination
Author Stephen F. Knott reveals an incident occurred at another open presidential motorcade about a year before John F. Kennedy's assassination.
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I can only assume you are talking about these guys. Not one of them says they saw a shooter, and if they ran to behind the picket fence from their location, they would have been there in as quick as about 5 seconds. The area is really small. They saw footprints, but no shells, no gunman. They do all say they saw smoke hanging under the trees. So, if the grassy knoll shooter was firing a musket, you might be on to something. Its just as likely some dude was back there smoking a doobie and took off when he saw people running at him. Or exhaust from a car or motorcycle was caught under those trees from 30 seconds before, and they noticed it when they looked there.
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I have looked into it extensively (reading, researching, questioning real witnesses, visiting sites, talking 1-on-1 with the foremost experts.etc), the evidence is overwhelming. And by evidence, I mean the “facts” as you describe them.
At this point, it is just trying to identify all people who played various roles in the plot. You seem to struggle with how these things are compartmentalized.
Did you watch the doctors? Just another coincidence where everyone was 100% consistent, in sync, and out of step with Warren Commission fairy tales? For 6 decades. With zero motivation to lie. Or do you believe politicians and criminals covering their footsteps.
I know it hard for people to move off of cherished long held beliefs. Even with the evidence overwhelming. I stated 40 years ago in a project to learn about this incident. It has led me (and most others) to conspiracy.
You know informed people in other countries actually laugh at our gullibility?
To each is own.
Hopefully this dialog will cause a few others to look into this. Too late for any real justice.
But never too late for ‘Never Again.’
Not true at all…a number of people testified they saw a shooter behind the picket fence (more than testified seeing a 6th floor shooter). All captured and even available for viewing at your fingertips this morning.
And the reaction on the scene was mostly that shots came precisely from behind the fence (including from a WW2 combat veteran).
Numerous people testified that they saw suspicious activity, men with guns (and walkie-talkie type devices, heard shots originating from behind fence, saw flash from shots, and smoke.
Again much more than from TSBD.
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I don’t see a conspiracy here. That said, John F. Kennedy never actually existed.
As Harry Truman once stated, If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen lol!
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I think rational people could look at it both ways.
A couple telling things to me:
Ruby asked for a lie detector test for his Warren Commission testimony. Yes I know they are unreliable. Yes i know they are inadmissible. But to me itvis huge that Ruby asked for it against the advice of his own counsel. I just don't see him asking for it with any sort of risk that it catches him lying.
Secondly, and probably controversially....
I actually think Ruby killing Oswald points LESS towards a conspiracy than more.
Let's think about this and assume there was a conspiracy. If so, they did a really freakin good job for it to survive for 60 years. So I'm the leader of this conspiracy. My patsy is caught. Maybe that was part of the plan, maybe not. So what do I do?
Well, I'm not sure what I do, but I'll tell you what I don't do: I don't get a guy with known mob connections to do it on live TV in the police station. It was probably the event that fueled the conspiracy theories more than anything else. And that's why it makes almost no sense to me as part of a conspiracy. If Oswald doesn't die, now you have 2 guys to shut up instead of one.
If i want Oswald dead, that's the last way I do it. He's gonna be in jail until trial, so i have ample opportunity to have him shivved in the soup line or pay a guard to take him out.
Having Ruby do it makes no sense. At all.
Why? There is nothing political. The discourse has been almost entirely civil and interesting.
If others were involved.....the sooner Oswald is taken care of....the less chance he has to talk and make some sort of deal. So, I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that it makes no sense at all. As noted in the Podcast mentioned above...there are some people that believe an interrogator of Oswald was making progress toward getting him to talk.
I also never understand the rationale of .....It's been 60 years .....we would have heard by now. If an investigation is butchered and agenda is put forth that doesn't mean it has to be true.
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“What the Doctors saw” is outstanding and so credible. The best part is when they review the autopsy results from Bethesda and laugh at the staging that must have done after the body left Parkland because what the Bethesda docs saw is not what they saw.
As they say, they were there to save someone’s life and not there to examine someone. Kennedy was on his back the entire time with eyes wide open and no damage in the front other than entry wounds on the throat, which is the hole the top doctor performed a tracheotomy on, and on Kennedy’s front right side hairline. A third entry wound was found on his upper back just below the shoulder but they never turned him over at Parkland. They are also adamant that the back of his head was blown out just as agent Hill recollects.
Watch it. Their recall is fascinating. I’ve been to the SBD too and there is no way LHO took three shots with that rifle from his nest. Besides, was there ever any footage or eyewitness of someone in that window?
I’ve been an amateur sleuth since I can remember and my belief has always been that it was a three gunmen turkey shoot with Oswald involved. The grassy noll shooter was the assassin. Eyewitnesses saw puffs of smoke like someone smoking a cigar from that location. Was it CIA or mafia? Not sure the mafia hits in the fashion. Its always appeared to be very military like.
Also, Jackie knew as there were credible threats throughout that year. It was also reported in the Boston area that the truth is in a safety deposit box, amongst other things she had, that is to be opened 50 yrs after her death to insure that everyone involved is dead.
Nevertheless, so fascinating and yes it changed the world forever. I was 5 yrs old soon to turn six on the day of his funeral! Never forget what they did.
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The internet is your friend. Look up Amos Lee Euins, Howard Leslie Brennan or James Richard Worrell, Jr..
OK, here is your true chance to show how accurate your statement is after all these years of research you have been doing The link at the bottom is an enclosed map with names and locations of everyone in Dealy Plaza that was interviewed with the Dallas Police, FBI or the Warren Commission. Just click on the name it shows their location and what their statements were. You got 216 people. BTW, this is a conspiracy website, so you will love it, but they also stay with a lot of the facts.
You said a number of people testified they saw a shooter behind the picket fence, not something suspicious, not something odd, but a shooter.
Time put up it or give it up. Give me a name. You said a number of people testified they saw a grassy knoll shooter. I'm just asking for one, but not the typical stuff you are saying. "Trust me, they said it." I want the name of the person that said it so I can read it.
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You missed what I was getting at. I conceded that the person running this alleged conspiracy had decided he needed to take Oswald out. What I'm saying, is the way it was done was, possibly, the worst possible way.
Seriously.... someone with known mob ties, televised, in a police station where it is possible that the attempt is stopped or fails. Plus, it is probably the biggest event fueling the conspiracy theories. If it was a conspiracy, that is absolutely not the way Oswald would have been disposed of. It just makes zero sense to me. They had a better chance of Oswald talking and being labeled as a loon than they did with the complete clusterflock that the Ruby thing was. It was a giant flashing neon sign that said CONSPIRACY. Which is why I don't buy it.
Want a conspiracy web site? It is the Warren Commission report. Laughable.
There is no one that testified seeing a shooter - at either TSBD or picket fence. There was a deaf mute gentleman whose testimony was not included but you can view his testimony via numerous sources.
There were plenty of others that you can see in YouTube, etc. You do realize that many testimonies were parsed to fit the narrative? Did you think they were going to allow otherwise? They were counting on gullibility and intellectual laziness. They almost succeeded. But common sense, diligent investigation, and following the science has won the day. It’s now just a matter of determining all the participants.
Did you watch Doctors documentary? ~20 sold citizens with no motive to lie at both Parkland and Bethesda - all with identical stories. All which supports shots from front. But why believe them? Let’s go with politicians and paper-pushing bureaucrats who were not there. They have swere ch a solid reputation for truth-telling
Lone nutter conspiracy? Laughable.
There is no one that testified seeing a shooter - at either TSBD or picket fence. There was a deaf mute gentleman whose testimony was not included but you can view his testimony via numerous sources.
There were plenty of others that you can see in YouTube, etc. You do realize that many testimonies were parsed to fit the narrative? Did you think they were going to allow otherwise? They were counting on gullibility and intellectual laziness. They almost succeeded. But common sense, diligent investigation, and following the science has won the day. It’s now just a matter of determining all the participants.
Did you watch Doctors documentary? ~20 sold citizens with no motive to lie at both Parkland and Bethesda - all with identical stories. All which supports shots from front. But why believe them? Let’s go with politicians and paper-pushing bureaucrats who were not there. They have swere ch a solid reputation for truth-telling
Lone nutter conspiracy? Laughable.
Just another coincidence…nothing to see here…move on..I had not heard this before. Apologies if it’s old news.
JFK author discovered eerie incident that occurred a year before the assassination
Author Stephen F. Knott reveals an incident occurred at another open presidential motorcade about a year before John F. Kennedy's assassination.
Would that not be the way with anyone who is silenced?
And yet it happened.
if you go to Oak Cliff, you will discover that the Texas Theater is on a straight line between ImOswald’s boarding g house and Ruby’s apartment. All very close together.
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