A question for those who don't want Clemson in the SEC

[Maxcy]

If money = wins, why aren't Texas and A&M winning titles year in and year out?

Furthermore, why has all that SEC money not made one lick of our difference in our overall win percentage since joined the conference?

Our fans conveniently overlook the fact that our own track record after joining the SEC destroys any "SEC boost" conspiracies.

The historical SEC boost has been moderate. It is about to become substantial.

If the money means nothing, why are both CU and FSU looking to leave their current cream-puff conference?

Prior to joining the SEC, USC had zero championships across all sports. We now have several. Did you mention something about some sort of "SEC boost"..."conspiracy"?

 

[Deleted11512]

You can't cancel series. It is required by state legislation that was passed years ago!

Tell that to TX/A&M. They did the same.

 

[Maxcy]

Yes. Virtually nothing about our on-field situation has changed since we joined the SEC.

And, yes, stick Clemson with 3-4 losses every year in the SEC.

Clemson in the SEC leads to 3-4 losses every year.

Clemson continuing in the ACC leads to Clemson being Cincinnati...if they are lucky.

 

[SeaMountain]

But the question is, would you be ok sacrificing the Clemson series in if meant keeping them out of the SEC?

In a hypothetical case. Hard YES.

 

[Cadcock]

NIL has changed the status quo. MONEY MATTERS! The delta in the amount of money between the SEC and ACC hasn’t been near as great as it is going to be very soon (2025.) A $40MM to $50MM annual delta gives us a lot more opportunities to differentiate ourselves and puts Clemson in a very bad strategic position. If our administration can’t figure out how to translate that advantage into wins then we hire new leadership. This isn’t just about Football either this is about every sport and this last year has been a lot of fun beating Clemson in every sport.

 

[Lurker123]

NIL has changed the status quo. MONEY MATTERS! The delta in the amount of money between the SEC and ACC hasn’t been near as great as it is going to be very soon (2025.) A $40MM to $50MM annual delta gives us a lot more opportunities to differentiate ourselves and puts Clemson in a very bad strategic position. If our administration can’t figure out how to translate that advantage into wins then we hire new leadership. This isn’t just about Football either this is about every sport and this last year has been a lot of fun beating Clemson in every sport.

This is athletic department money though, not NIL.

 

[Lurker123]

You can't cancel series. It is required by state legislation that was passed years ago!

I have heard this before, and then heard it was made up. I've never seen the actual law referenced.

 

[Lurker123]

The historical SEC boost has been moderate. It is about to become substantial.

Unfortunately, this has been said amongst our fanbase for a few decades, and I'm still waiting.

Imo, the substantial increases in losses more than makes up for clemson having more money.

 

[SeaMountain]

I have heard this before, and then heard it was made up. I've never seen the actual law referenced.

It was on the books but they got rid of it I believe. We had this conversation during the plandemic

 

[CWW]

But the question is, would you be ok sacrificing the Clemson series in if meant keeping them out of the SEC?

YES

 

[Captain_Obvious]

You can't cancel series. It is required by state legislation that was passed years ago!

Let’s look wayyyyy back at the year 2020.
Unfortunately that legislation was not enforced. Although it would have likely meant an 8 game losing streak to them, I do wish the folks in the State House would have done something and the game had happened

 

[Patriot321]

I don't want them in the SEC ever, even if it means we don't play them. Besides, they are not going to join any other conference until 2036. They are locked into the ACC with the exit fee and GOR agreement they were stupid enough to sign.

I don't understand why it is stupid for Clemson (football) to stay in the ACC, until 2036, or even 2026? The 12 team playoff system will all but guarantee them a spot in the playoffs every year.

 

[Anon1658788697]

You can't cancel series. It is required by state legislation that was passed years ago!

Then how did they not play during covid, you know it being a state law and all.

 

[Cadcock]

This is athletic department money though, not NIL.

NIL has transformed the competitive landscape. If your athletic department is bringing in $50MM more annually than your instate competition then it frees up booster money that would otherwise go to fund the athletic department to be spent on NIL programs.

 

[Lurker123]

NIL has transformed the competitive landscape. If your athletic department is bringing in $50MM more annually than your instate competition then it frees up booster money that would otherwise go to fund the athletic department to be spent on NIL programs.

That actually makes sense. I wonder what sort of cash is being diverted from the athletic depth over NIL, and if the new TV deal changes that.

 

[Maxcy]

Unfortunately, this has been said amongst our fanbase for a few decades, and I'm still waiting.

Imo, the substantial increases in losses more than makes up for clemson having more money.

We've never had a $50MM annual advantage over CU in revenue, which is on the very near horizon if the SEC and ACC remain status quo. That's an enormous and highly advantageous amount of money...and the reason why CU and FSU are sweating bullets right now. Both schools need an athletic lifeline. We'd be fools to throw them one.

 

[Maxcy]

I don't understand why it is stupid for Clemson (football) to stay in the ACC, until 2036, or even 2026? The 12 team playoff system will all but guarantee them a spot in the playoffs every year.

Not really. The ACC will in theory keep an automatic playoff bid, which could easily go to FSU, Miami or even Pitt in the future. An ACC team picking up a second playoff bid is not likely today, and will be even less likelly if the ACC schools are operating with 50% of the budget of an SEC or BIG10 school.

 

[The Reel Ess]

I don't want them in the SEC ever, even if it means we don't play them. Besides, they are not going to join any other conference until 2036. They are locked into the ACC with the exit fee and GOR agreement they were stupid enough to sign.

Unless the member institutions vote to dissolve the ACC.

 

[goosecreekcocky]

Yes. I fully understand the opposition to Clemson in the SEC is a purely emotional response with no factual support whatsoever. Kind of like our 18 month old refusing to eat some new food we know she'd actually love but she won't eat it just because of how it looks. I was just curious how deep the emotional response is. Not a surprising result in the least. Fans are emotional.

Actually there is plenty of factual support. In 2 years we will be making about 30 to 40 million more from the SEC than they will from the ACC. Why the heck would we want them to be able to ride our gravy train? The rivalry in any sport just isn't worth giving them that much more money. We have plenty of big time schools as SEC rivals and we don't need them. Screw them.

 

[goosecreekcocky]

Unless the member institutions vote to dissolve the ACC.

The tobacco road schools will never vote to dissolve it. Only schools that consider themselves serious football schools would agree to that. They also know that there will not be room in major conferences for all of them.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I don't want them in the SEC ever, even if it means we don't play them. Besides, they are not going to join any other conference until 2036. They are locked into the ACC with the exit fee and GOR agreement they were stupid enough to sign.

It would not be wise to put a lot of faith in that statement.

 

[SeaMountain]

View attachment 315872Keep them out of the SEC at all costs. We are on the cusp of finally seeing a drastic disparity in payouts. The $$$’s is the only reason they want to join. They have taken great advantage of a cup cake schedule and now they want to switch to the SEC because they now see the long term consequences.

Is there a stock for this?

 

[SeaMountain]

It would not be wise to put a lot of faith in that statement.

There you go folks.
#16teams

 

[Jonesz2]

You can't cancel series. It is required by state legislation that was passed years ago!

I don’t think this is accurate. But I don’t Google it

 

[CockyCody]

I personally don't give a flying you know what to what conference they wind up in as long as it isn't in the SEC. They made their bed so let them lie in it. Many of the younger folks won't have any knowledge of how us leaving the ACC came about and our brothers, Clemsux, were supposed to have our backs but ghosted us when it came time to do the deed. Not much reason to like them to begin with but this puts them over the top for me. No matter where they go, if they go. will benefit them as much as the SEC would. F#@k Clemson!!!

 

[Lurker123]

We've never had a $50MM annual advantage over CU in revenue, which is on the very near horizon if the SEC and ACC remain status quo. That's an enormous and highly advantageous amount of money...and the reason why CU and FSU are sweating bullets right now. Both schools need an athletic lifeline. We'd be fools to throw them one.

The gap is increasing, but the story has been the same for a long time.

I think humbling them in the sec is a better option than them getting money and an easier time in the b10.

And that's based on my belief that those two conferences are going to keep growing.

 

[TeeCock]

I have heard this before, and then heard it was made up. I've never seen the actual law referenced.

It isn't made up. I was around when they passed it.

 

[Cackmandu]

My thought is simple playing in the sec for a kid is one recruiting advantage we have over them take that away and see what happens!

 

[Maxcy]

The gap is increasing, but the story has been the same for a long time.

Well that's kinda the point...the story changes with an extra $50MM PER YEAR.

I think humbling them in the sec is a better option than them getting money and an easier time in the b10.

We're not talking about them joining the BIG10. The goal is to keep them in the ACC as it circles the drain.

And that's based on my belief that those two conferences are going to keep growing.

That belief remains TBD.

 

[vacock]

It has at least been discussed that we could lose the Clemson game upon going to a 9-game conference schedule (see the 3rd question to Beamer in this recent interview: https://247sports.com/LongFormArtic...e-changes-expectations-205599506/#205599506_4)

So, the question: Do you oppose Clemson to the SEC even if it means the end of the series or would you grudgingly accept them into the SEC for the sake of preserving the series?

I want nothing good for CU. I don’t care about the series.

 

[Lurker123]

Well that's kinda the point...the story changes with an extra $50MM PER YEAR.

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We're not talking about them joining the BIG10. The goal is to keep them in the ACC as it circles the drain.



That belief remains TBD.

I've heard the story too often now. I'll believe it when I see it. Each time the new contracts are negotiated, THIS is the time it's going to make a big difference.

As for the B10, I think it's wishful thinking the B10 and SEC will continue expanding without raiding the ACC. And we're better off with them in the SEC, losing more games than they would in the B10.

 

[Lurker123]

It isn't made up. I was around when they passed it.

We had this conversation a couple years ago when the game was not played.

Bill forcing Clemson-South Carolina football game fails

A panel of lawmakers has rejected a bill that would create a state law requiring South Carolina and Clemson play football every year.

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[Maxcy]

I've heard the story too often now. I'll believe it when I see it. Each time the new contracts are negotiated, THIS is the time it's going to make a big difference.

When have you ever heard of a $50MM spread in revenue? And yes, more money from the SEC is making a big difference for us.

As for the B10, I think it's wishful thinking the B10 and SEC will continue expanding without raiding the ACC. And we're better off with them in the SEC, losing more games than they would in the B10.

As of right now, no one can raid the ACC. They are stuck together, and it is joyous to see a couple of the big dogs in football squirm because of it.

 

[Lurker123]

When have you ever heard of a $50MM spread in revenue? And yes, more money from the SEC is making a big difference for us.



As of right now, no one can raid the ACC. They are stuck together, and it is joyous to see a couple of the big dogs in football squirm because of it.

As I said, the gap is increasing, it's just that I've heard this tune before. Who knows, maybe THIS time is time it comes true.

And, just my opinion, but the acc is absolutely stuck with the GoR, right up until the day the announcement is made. I just don't think it's as ironclad as some think.

 

[CockaDude-a-Dude]

If it’s good for Clemson and/or if it’s what they want, I against it..

 

[Maxcy]

it's just that I've heard this tune before.

Not really. This song has never been sung to the tune of $50MM.

And, just my opinion, but the acc is absolutely stuck with the GoR, right up until the day the announcement is made. I just don't think it's as ironclad as some think.

What exactly are you basing this opinion on?

 

[Psycock]

The money is not just about wins - look at our facilities - and future plans - compared with what we had in the past. The difference in $$$ will eventually be reflected in more wins, etc. - especially over them.

 

[KingWard]

View attachment 315872Keep them out of the SEC at all costs. We are on the cusp of finally seeing a drastic disparity in payouts. The $$$’s is the only reason they want to join. They have taken great advantage of a cup cake schedule and now they want to switch to the SEC because they now see the long term consequences.

I'm glad you showed this. I had seen it before. People need to see how favorably backloaded the SEC's deal is. We're really getting to the point where neither us nor the Big 10 should expand again unless it can be turned into more money per school in the next cycle. I would think there's a limit someplace.

 

[PD-Cock]

Could be, we may not have a choice.
If we do "have" to cut the Clemmerson game, it'll be their loss.

 

[Forkcock]

Screw Clemson, all day and night. 7 days a week, 52 weeks per year. Until Jesus comes back, screw Clemson.