Ohhhhh mannnn, you're such a victim. You poor dear this season has been SOOOOO tough on you. What a trooper you are to cry like this still when the program is firmly in the top 6 to close the year and playing for a BT title. Go Blue Hens.
Are the Franklin haters aware Penn State had a better regular season than Ohio State or MeCheatAgain?
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It's the end of the world in which the BWICAC exists. Hopefully Franklin can branch out and lose frequently to Rutgers, Northwestern, Purdue and the like. It would be most satisfying to see them have something to really whine about! This would also take care of complaining about losing big games.
You are way off here.
That was Jean-Paul Marat and Charlotte Corday. Jacobian during the Revolution. Different time period, different county. By then the gods had tired of these mortals.
If you are referring to today's college football players and any possible loyalty to the university they show out for......I say ha!
Today's player plays for his teammates, his coaches and himself (future and current $$$). #1 is "me" by a large margin and everyone in the program respects that. Only fans, feel betrayed when a player makes a "business decision."
Unless and until the landscape changes (which might be never), the consistent winners in recruiting will be those with the most $$$$ NIL money.
PSU is not in serious contention for the vast majority of 5* talent for this reason.
I am sure this has all been said before, but I will say it again....
This game and situation weirdly plays into CJF's strength.....which is also his most glaring weakness - ability to beat teams better than Penn State.
Beating #1 Oregon would be a big plus for CJF, but puts PSU in the position of having to face the winner of #8/#9 (currently Ohio
State/Tennessee). If he follows his normal trajectory and loses to a higher ranked team (but does not get blown out), then PSU drops to #5, and potentially has a very easy path to the semi - finals (home game vs #12, followed by neutral site game vs the #4, which could be the G5 opponent).
This game and situation weirdly plays into CJF's strength.....which is also his most glaring weakness - ability to beat teams better than Penn State.
Beating #1 Oregon would be a big plus for CJF, but puts PSU in the position of having to face the winner of #8/#9 (currently Ohio
State/Tennessee). If he follows his normal trajectory and loses to a higher ranked team (but does not get blown out), then PSU drops to #5, and potentially has a very easy path to the semi - finals (home game vs #12, followed by neutral site game vs the #4, which could be the G5 opponent).
I am going to disagree.
Nothing that I have seen indicates PSU will be substantially penalized for losing the CCG. And it does not appear the Committee will do so. And from what I saw on TV the other night, it appears the rankings are pretty much set in terms of each team to the others.
Let's hope he wins 2 more games and then perhaps you won't have Franklin to kick around anymore.
In August I predicted one playoff win. What steered me in that direction is our 2 traditional losses (osu and Mich) were only one. If we had mich on the schedule, we’d be hovering on the wrong side of the bracket, if hovering at all. Your Franklin ball sucking knows no bounds lol
I think beating Oregon may be Franklin’s path out of State College. If the booster rumors are right and he’s looking to exit, then the planets may be aligned for a program to make him a big offer.
Of course, Pat Kraft may also be putting the final touches on another absurd extension. The recent comp adjustment to reflect the CFP expansion certainly indicated Franklin wants more.
A big part of me believes a change may be good for both parties here. Franklin seems in a cycle of competing for the B1G once every 6-8 years. And those cycles involve quite a bit of luck. He and the program/fans may benefit from a change.
This season, they lost to OSU again. That’s the one good team they played. Then benefitted from an OSU upset to make the conf championship game. Luck plays a part in football but it can’t be the main reason a top program contends periodically.
We’ll see what happens against Oregon. Franklin needs to reverse this narrative against Top 10 teams. It’s holding him and PSU back. He’s proven he can generally win the games he should.
Of course, Pat Kraft may also be putting the final touches on another absurd extension. The recent comp adjustment to reflect the CFP expansion certainly indicated Franklin wants more.
A big part of me believes a change may be good for both parties here. Franklin seems in a cycle of competing for the B1G once every 6-8 years. And those cycles involve quite a bit of luck. He and the program/fans may benefit from a change.
This season, they lost to OSU again. That’s the one good team they played. Then benefitted from an OSU upset to make the conf championship game. Luck plays a part in football but it can’t be the main reason a top program contends periodically.
We’ll see what happens against Oregon. Franklin needs to reverse this narrative against Top 10 teams. It’s holding him and PSU back. He’s proven he can generally win the games he should.
This is the first I have heard of booster rumors and Franklin's exit. We will see what happens. This seems to be a game that gets played every year.
Penn State's NIL limitations may be holding Franklin back - no idea. If that is going to be the reason to leave, there are only a handful of landing spots. Maybe Bama will open up.
Ohio State, Michigan and now Oregon are just better programs. Ohio State and Michigan traditionally so and all 3 far out distance PSU in NIL. OSU had a 20 million $ roster and Michigan just dropped money equal to PSU's entire purse on 1 player.
Prior to Stalions, PSU had a few wins vs. Michigan under Franklin.
The problem with PSU is supporters that believe it is a top 5 program.
When his contract was struck he was. And will be again soon.
Yes. Because with the new round of hires, he will likely skip lower. PSU coaches should be 5-10. I think that is fair and also reflects reasonable performance expectations for this program.
The expanded CFP gives Franklin a better opportunity for what he's stated and wants and that is to be the first African-American coach to win a FBS college football national championship. I can only think of two places that provide him a potentially better opportunity to do so than Penn State and just as importantly, both had job openings not long ago Franklin was mentioned for and may again have openings in the not so distant future: USC and Florida State.
USC gives Franklin the state of California and the west coast to recruit (considering Washington and Oregon) but I'm not sure how well their NIL program is funded. The other, Florida State, in the Almost Competitve Conference. He would have recruit-rich Florida in which to recruit and he would have a much easier path getting to the CFP than in the Big Ten Conference.
Reasonable moving forward. Make the playoffs 50% of the time and the BT title 2 times a decade would be reasonable. UM, tOSU, Oregon, USC, and UW will also compete for BT Titles. 3-4 of them will outspend and out recruit PSU, but again PSU has fans that are just miserable and don't like dealing with reality so they poopoo on what is a good coach running a pretty good program currently.
Better question is why would a mid tier program spend hundreds of millions of dollars on new facilities when the realistic expectation is Top 15-20 annually based on recruiting? The answer is no one at Penn State believes they’re relegated permanently to top 15-20 status - unlike a lot of fans.
Only 2 current coaches have won National Championships. Kirby and Dabo. Both are having disappointing seasons. That's crazy when you think of it. @WestSideLion
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But if Sarkisian is our coach we'd be undefeated and ranked #1 in the country. Am I doing this right?
Interesting thread. My son is in his 4th year of Latin and is the captain of the Certamen team. Yes, I know nerd alert. However, he knows Greek and Roman mythology inside and out. He recites these stories at dinner. I'm familiar with Aegisthus and Pelopia.
So cool. Coach Paterno was also well acquainted with the classics. It builds character.
Full disclosure: the only classics I have read are The Iliad and The Odyssey. Wiki was a big help for me in this thread. For example, I had no idea of Cassandra’s connections to Hector and Agamemnon.
The quote from Marcus Aurelius I posted before Thanksgiving, I had never encountered it prior to a few days before posting. I was checking another quote from him, which I read in a book by J D Salinger, just saying. (Not TCitR.)
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I only poo poo when Warren gets them in the red zone and then they don't throw it to him or run him once.
I get what youre saying but I'll gladly take it. This season's benchmark is beating a top tier opponent. Beating #1 and winning the BigTen championship would mark 2024 as a STRONG season and one I'd remember fondly for quite some time. It's a great opportunity. Regardless of the resulting playoff matchup.
Backing into a weaker playoff opponent and winning would feel like a continuation of the season where some feel Penn State hasn't proven much.
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