Are the Franklin haters aware Penn State had a better regular season than Ohio State or MeCheatAgain?

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I get what youre saying but I'll gladly take it. This season's benchmark is beating a top tier opponent. Beating #1 and winning the BigTen championship would mark 2024 as a STRONG season and one I'd remember fondly for quite some time. It's a great opportunity. Regardless of the resulting playoff matchup.

Backing into a weaker playoff opponent and winning would feel like a continuation of the season where some feel Penn State hasn't proven much.
Yeah, there is that also. But oddly enough, that might be the better path for a "deep" playoff run.
 

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This is the first I have heard of booster rumors and Franklin's exit. We will see what happens. This seems to be a game that gets played every year.
I’m repeating what’s been stated here. Take that with a grain of salt, but it sounds plausible. Franklin must feel he’s hit the ceiling of what he can do here.
 

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Better question is why would a mid tier program spend hundreds of millions of dollars on new facilities when the realistic expectation is Top 15-20 annually based on recruiting? The answer is no one at Penn State believes they’re relegated permanently to top 15-20 status - unlike a lot of fans.
Have you seen the facilities they're creating at Northwestern?
 

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The expanded CFP gives Franklin a better opportunity for what he's stated and wants and that is to be the first African-American coach to win a FBS college football national championship. I can only think of two places that provide him a potentially better opportunity to do so than Penn State and just as importantly, both had job openings not long ago Franklin was mentioned for and may again have openings in the not so distant future: USC and Florida State.

USC gives Franklin the state of California and the west coast to recruit (considering Washington and Oregon) but I'm not sure how well their NIL program is funded. The other, Florida State, in the Almost Competitve Conference. He would have recruit-rich Florida in which to recruit and he would have a much easier path getting to the CFP than in the Big Ten Conference.
USC and Notre Dame were/ are 2 jobs I felt/ feel like would be attractive to James.
 

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So cool. Coach Paterno was also well acquainted with the classics. It builds character.

Full disclosure: the only classics I have read are The Iliad and The Odyssey. Wiki was a big help for me in this thread. For example, I had no idea of Cassandra’s connections to Hector and Agamemnon.

The quote from Marcus Aurelius I posted before Thanksgiving, I had never encountered it prior to a few days before posting. I was checking another quote from him, which I read in a book by J D Salinger, just saying. (Not TCitR.)
Time for Shakespeare?
 

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The buyout doesn't get reasonable till 2028.
You have to be a moron to think PSU is paying a 60 million dollar parting gift to a coach that is winning 10 or 11 games a year. THEN spending another 70-90 million to bring in a new coach.
 

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I only poo poo when Warren gets them in the red zone and then they don't throw it to him or run him once.
I think most felt that way, but the pick means they didn't just run the ball. OSU DB made a better play on the ball than Wallace. Second guessing calls after the fact is always easy to do, but I'm talking more about the overall health of the program when it comes to the woe is me crowd (not you). Every fan or coach ever second guesses the failed calls....that is just a part of the deal.
 
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I only poo poo when Warren gets them in the red zone and then they don't throw it to him or run him once.
I don't care who gets the TD. But my issue with the infamous Ohio State goal line series is this. ...if you are 1st and goal....the time to throw is play action on first down. Worst case scenario is you have 3 downs to get less than 10 yards.
 

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Maybe, but not my call. My greatest experience at a play was seeing Macbeth played in American Sign Language. Damn, that was greatness.
Out out brief candle. Life is but a walking shadow....a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and is heard no more. Tis a tale told by an idiot' full of sound and fury signifying nothing .
 

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You have to be a moron to think PSU is paying a 60 million dollar parting gift to a coach that is winning 10 or 11 games a year. THEN spending another 70-90 million to bring in a new coach.
Agreed but at that point the buyout drops to mid-20s so if Franklin hasn't been in a championship game by then = 👀 Kraft.
 

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Out out brief candle. Life is but a walking shadow....a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and is heard no more. Tis a tale told by an idiot' full of sound and fury signifying nothing .
Gotta tell you, I saw that ASL Macbeth on tape and only got to see to see a short clip of exactly these lines. One of the greatest 60 seconds of my life.
 
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Agreed but at that point the buyout drops to mid-20s so if Franklin hasn't been in a championship game by then = 👀 Kraft.
Kraft and Franklin are very tight. I wouldn't dispute a lot can happen by 2028. What you aren't factoring in, it seems to me, is the extension Franklin will get after this year. Now he may not get dollar for dollar on the buyout....but it will be an additional expense.
 

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I think most felt that way, but the pick means they didn't just run the ball. OSU DB made a better play on the ball than Wallace. Second guessing calls after the fact is always easy to do, but I'm talking more about the overall health of the program when it comes to the woe is me crowd (not you). Every fan or coach ever second guesses the failed calls....that is just a part of the deal.
It is after all akin to a chess game. Plays are inserted into the game plan with respect to down, distant and field position. Then the expected defensive alignment is factored in. The casual fan gets moist between the legs witnessing creativity on offense. Little thought is given to the possibility that the DC has broken character and the best laid plans are blown up. People here sometimes act like 130+ other programs exist only to play the foil to PSU Football..
 

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I get what youre saying but I'll gladly take it. This season's benchmark is beating a top tier opponent. Beating #1 and winning the BigTen championship would mark 2024 as a STRONG season and one I'd remember fondly foNotr quite some time. It's a great opportunity. Regardless of the resulting playoff matchup.

Backing into a weaker playoff opponent and winning would feel like a continuation of the season where some feel Penn State hasn't proven much.
Not responding to you, but your reference to "some"... what would the standings look like if every top 15 team had won the games they were favored to win? That's something fanboys can't seem to grasp. So who is the better husband? The one who goes to work every single day, comes home to his family every evening and is the very definition of dependable. Or the guy that slimes around but takes his wife on a cruise and buys her diamonds?
 
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So cool. Coach Paterno was also well acquainted with the classics. It builds character.
Yeah, but for him, they were just doodles by contemporaries. Plato is the one who told him to ram it real hard up the middle, over and over again.
 
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I’m repeating what’s been stated here. Take that with a grain of salt, but it sounds plausible. Franklin must feel he’s hit the ceiling of what he can do here.
Where has this been stated?

You've also been on record as stating ...

Franklin goes nowhere unless he chooses to. He has all the leverage and few suitors. He’s widely known as a charlatan in coaching circles.

And just crapping all over him.
 

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How can you root at 50%. It’s weird.
What happens in your life if PSU beats OSU earlier this year? Do the beatings finally stop? What happens if PSU runs the table the rest of the way? Do you finally get a cookie? What happens if PSU never loses another game, as long as you live? Will you finally feel like a special boy, for being a fan of the bestest?
 

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Not responding to you, but your reference to "some"... what would the standings look like if every top 15 team had won the games they were favored to win? That's something fanboys can't seem to grasp. So who is the better husband? The one who goes to work every single day, comes home to his family every evening and is the very definition of dependable. Or the guy that slimes around but takes his wife on a cruise and buys her diamonds?
I get your point, and your metaphor, and agree that consistency MATTERS and winning games where you're favored COUNTS. Rather than husbands, we could use multiple football examples of good teams who lost games they shouldn't have this season.

Didn't OSU just lose to a really lame Michigan team? Didn't Alabama lose to Vanderbilt? Notre Dame to Northern Illinois? Miami to GT and Syracuse? Clemson to Louisville? It's reasonable to expect an OCCASIONAL win over a favored team, but no doubt we would piss and moan if Penn State lost to WVU or Minnesota this year. I know because I've watched Penn State football for decades and it's happened dozens of times and the fanbase is always nauseated by it.

None of those losses this year! #3 ranking! BigTen Champ game! Playoffs! Multiple chances for a big win! Home game in playoffs! Be happy, you a-holes.
 

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Where has this been stated?

You've also been on record as stating ...



And just crapping all over him.
Oh, my premise here is that Franklin chooses to exit. Let’s be clear. His path out is a good season and another program making him an offer north of his PSU deal.

PSU has no real option to move on nor could they after this season. The money is too big.
 

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Oh, my premise here is that Franklin chooses to exit. Let’s be clear. His path out is a good season and another program making him an offer north of his PSU deal.

PSU has no real option to move on nor could they after this season. The money is too big.
So you won’t answer. Got it.

You just appear to want to crap all over him in any way possible.
 

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I get your point, and your metaphor, and agree that consistency MATTERS and winning games where you're favored COUNTS. Rather than husbands, we could use multiple football examples of good teams who lost games they shouldn't have this season.

Didn't OSU just lose to a really lame Michigan team? Didn't Alabama lose to Vanderbilt? Notre Dame to Northern Illinois? Miami to GT and Syracuse? Clemson to Louisville? It's reasonable to expect an OCCASIONAL win over a favored team, but no doubt we would piss and moan if Penn State lost to WVU or Minnesota this year. I know because I've watched Penn State football for decades and it's happened dozens of times and the fanbase is always nauseated by it.

None of those losses this year! #3 ranking! BigTen Champ game! Playoffs! Multiple chances for a big win! Home game in playoffs! Be happy, you a-holes.
Yet "WE" deserve better! Anything short of the NC will fuel the offseason for the small segment of misanthropes.
 

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WUT: 3rd in the nation and playing for a bye/BT title and the dud title who doesn't understand HOA's is struggling to hang on to his Fire Coach BS? Go Blue hens!!! The Dicker never fails. Now it's just down to one team again....the other 11 games don't count. Moving those goalposts each year.
 
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So psu is in the big ten championship game, but this thread is up to 4 pages. Earlier this week you also had posters focused on Matt Rhule and the handshake issue with Nebraska. I don’t know who these “haters” are, but they appear to be living rent free in the heads of more than a few posters.
 

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You apparently don’t know WSL’s identity and his connections to the program.

Keep jabbering…. It’s rather entertaining.
Wut, weirdo? WestSideLion made a comment, and then said he was just reiterating what has been said HERE ... on the board. I asked him to find where that's been said, and he came up with absolutely nothing. Now you're arguing on his behalf that he has connections to the program?! LOL. Get your stories straight and get back to me, cuckoobird.
 

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So psu is in the big ten championship game, but this thread is up to 4 pages. Earlier this week you also had posters focused on Matt Rhule and the handshake issue with Nebraska. I don’t know who these “haters” are, but they appear to be living rent free in the heads of more than a few posters.

Think half of it was about Helen of Troy.....
 
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And of course:
James Franklin is 3-17 against top-10 teams in his career.
Yeah top10 teams are pretty good and hard to beat, even if you're also a top10 team which Penn State generally isn't. And we're not a top10 NIL program from what I've read, so set your expectations appropriately for the future or write a big BMW sized check.

But I agree that 3-17 is underachieving, they've blown a few opportunities that would bring that record up to something more acceptable.
 
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So psu is in the big ten championship game, but this thread is up to 4 pages. Earlier this week you also had posters focused on Matt Rhule and the handshake issue with Nebraska. I don’t know who these “haters” are, but they appear to be living rent free in the heads of more than a few posters.
The haters are the only reason for me to visit here. Just mention a Franklin contract extension, or surf after a PSU win and feel the anger. Their anguish is so enjoyable that it's almost worth a PSU loss just to see them load and fire. Don't forget that every loss is 100% on the coaching staff and the buck stops with none other than James Franklin. To be fair, the officials may get a mention.
My wish is that Franklin leaves, so next season, I can see the same loyal fans turn on an entirely new coach.
If not, I anxiously await the inevitable contract extension and the hysteria that will follow. LOL
We deserve better!
 
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My wish is that Franklin leaves, so next season, I can see the same loyal fans turn on an entirely new coach.

as I look forward to you fondling the new guy. Look at the numbers, that’s all

it's almost worth a PSU loss
a crazy take shown
 

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My wish is that Franklin leaves, so next season, I can see the same loyal fans turn on an entirely new coach.

as I look forward to you fondling the new guy. Look at the numbers, that’s all

it's almost worth a PSU loss
a crazy take shown
Penn State football aside. Your repeated references to my "ball sucking" and "fondling" are rather disturbing. Perhaps they reflect an attraction that you are struggling with? Let me be the first to say, it's okay. Everyone here is compassionate.
 
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Penn State football aside. Your repeated references to my "ball sucking" and "fondling" are rather disturbing. Perhaps they reflect an attraction that you are struggling with? Let me be the first to say, it's okay. Everyone here is compassionate.
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