Are the Franklin haters aware Penn State had a better regular season than Ohio State or MeCheatAgain?

[psuro]

Oh, my premise here is that Franklin chooses to exit. Let’s be clear. His path out is a good season and another program making him an offer north of his PSU deal.

PSU has no real option to move on nor could they after this season. The money is too big.

With all due respect, Westie, that is every coach's "out". It's a matter of what they choose, and if they see better options for them. PSU is not an "elite" program, in the same way that OSU, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia and Oregon have consistently been over the least 5-10 years (and you can put a couple others in there as well). PSU is a program that is consistently in the 5-12 range. That is in terms of wins, total AD revenue, etc.

IMHO, some of this can be traced back to Joe. The CFB landscape changed very rapidly and I do think PSU was behind their counterparts in part due to Joe's stubborness - and I am a JVP fan. I think CJF still suffers from some of that (the sanctions also did not hlelp) .

If something absolutely amazing opens up, to a school that is above the 5-12 range I think PSU is in - then you can only wish him well. However, I don't see any of those programs opening up soon. I don't see him as an NFL coach, either.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

I think CJF still suffers from some of that (the sanctions also did not hlelp)

ffs that was 20 years ago

 

[BobPSU92]

With all due respect, Westie, that is every coach's "out". It's a matter of what they choose, and if they see better options for them. PSU is not an "elite" program, in the same way that OSU, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia and Oregon have consistently been over the least 5-10 years (and you can put a couple others in there as well). PSU is a program that is consistently in the 5-12 range. That is in terms of wins, total AD revenue, etc.

IMHO, some of this can be traced back to Joe. The CFB landscape changed very rapidly and I do think PSU was behind their counterparts in part due to Joe's stubborness - and I am a JVP fan. I think CJF still suffers from some of that (the sanctions also did not hlelp) .

If something absolutely amazing opens up, to a school that is above the 5-12 range I think PSU is in - then you can only wish him well. However, I don't see any of those programs opening up soon. I don't see him as an NFL coach, either.

So basically, we’re screwed either way.

 

[Ludd]

What’s really funny is not a single poster on here if they were the AD would fire him because they wouldn’t want to be the laughing stock of all college administrations. But as a fan, they can say the coach should be fired after any and all losses. Guess what? You’re not unique in that, every coach has sections of their fan base that want them fired especially after a loss…even Nick Saban did, so thank God fans don’t make the important decisions.

 

[doctornick]

What’s really funny is not a single poster on here if they were the AD would fire him because they wouldn’t want to be the laughing stock of all college administrations. But as a fan, they can say the coach should be fired after any and all losses. Guess what? You’re not unique in that, every coach has sections of their fan base that want them fired especially after a loss…even Nick Saban did, so thank God fans don’t make the important decisions.

Even if there weren't a huge financial disincentive to letting go of Franklin, I don't think any AD would actually fire him for underperforming. As frustrating as it has been against certain teams, the team's performance has been quite good and consistent with the financial resources that we have compared to other teams.

I'm definitely of the mind that we are more likely to become Nebraska (or Florida, A&M, etc) by firing Franklin than Georgia.

 

[psuro]

I think CJF still suffers from some of that (the sanctions also did not hlelp)

ffs that was 20 years ago

Well no....

 

[psuro]

Even if there weren't a huge financial disincentive to letting go of Franklin, I don't think any AD would actually fire him for underperforming. As frustrating as it has been against certain teams, the team's performance has been quite good and consistent with the financial resources that we have compared to other teams.

I'm definitely of the mind that we are more likely to become Nebraska (or Florida, A&M, etc) by firing Franklin than Georgia.

He's not getting fired.

 

[doctornick]

He's not getting fired.

Of course not. My point is that despite the ramblings of folks on here, he wouldn't be getting fired even if it were not a massive financial sink (which PSU cannot reasonably afford). He's actually been a good coach for the school, not a bad one.

 

[PhillyBillyReprise]

Is Bo Pelini available?

 

[PSUJam]

But if Sarkisian is our coach we'd be undefeated and ranked #1 in the country. Am I doing this right?

Are you ignoring me @laKavosiey-st lion?

 

[Nitt1300]

He's not getting fired.

What if he wins out? The offers would come rolling in, and there are better resources elsewhere.

 

[WestSideLion]

What’s really funny is not a single poster on here if they were the AD would fire him because they wouldn’t want to be the laughing stock of all college administrations. But as a fan, they can say the coach should be fired after any and all losses. Guess what? You’re not unique in that, every coach has sections of their fan base that want them fired especially after a loss…even Nick Saban did, so thank God fans don’t make the important decisions.

Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. AD’s are conditioned to be risk averse even if there’s a chance things could be even better. That’s what led Sandy to the current extension.

@psuro no problem disagreeing with me. That’s what these boards are for. I think PSU can be top again, but it requires admin support and better coaching (my opinion). We can all argue what comes first.

 

[psuro]

What if he wins out? The offers would come rolling in, and there are better resources elsewhere.

But that's not the same as being fired. If he chooses to leave for a better situation there is not a lot you can do. But how many of those programs are actually open for a new coach?

 

[psuro]

What if he wins out? The offers would come rolling in, and there are better resources elsewhere.

But that's not the same as being fired. If he chooses to leave for a better situation there is not a lot you can do. But how many of those programs are actually open for a new coach?

 

[doctornick]

But that's not the same as being fired. If he chooses to leave for a better situation there is not a lot you can do. But how many of those programs are actually open for a new coach?

Right. If he leaves, it would be for a better (in his mind) situation and there’s probably little PSU could do to compete for that. I agree that it doesn’t seem like would be many if any such programs with openings this off season but things can change.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Right. If he leaves, it would be for a better (in his mind) situation and there’s probably little PSU could do to compete for that. I agree that it doesn’t seem like would be many if any such programs with openings this off season but things can change.

You cannot blame him at this point as he had to fight the school tooth and nail to move the program forward for quite a few years. People think MNC's are open to everyone, but they aren't. The reality is you need top 5 classes at least once every 3 years to be in the hunt most years. PSU isn't there and won't be there soon. Other schools see an issue and they attack it as they want to win....half of PSU's fanbase is still concerned about a statue or are upset at the BoT so they kind of hold it against him....not all, but a portion of the base.

The odds are PSU will likely step back when and if he leaves before more progress occurs, but people think we're just a coaching change away from greatness....it's more wishful thinking than anything else. PSU has a coach that can win games at a very high rate....but they aren't getting over that hump until they compete for top 5 classes consistently. UM did last year, but they also spent money to keep players around for a 4th year as well as cheated their balls off. They fell off a cliff this year too...but it is what it is.

 

[doctornick]

You cannot blame him at this point as he had to fight the school tooth and nail to move the program forward for quite a few years. People think MNC's are open to everyone, but they aren't. The reality is you need top 5 classes at least once every 3 years to be in the hunt most years. PSU isn't there and won't be there soon. Other schools see an issue and they attack it as they want to win....half of PSU's fanbase is still concerned about a statue or are upset at the BoT so they kind of hold it against him....not all, but a portion of the base.

While I think we could certainly raise more money if the college administration were making some different decisions, I really don't think there is anything that catapults PSU into the same kind of strata as the top 5-8 or so teams. I just don't think we have that sort of fanbase - I mean, a lot of our fanbase roots for the team because it "does things the right way" and the increasing NFL-ization of college football probably isn't exactly inspiring those people to donate.

FWIW, I'm certainly in that category. I hate NIL being used as pay to play on principle (I'm cool with it being an actual payment for actual use of a player's likeness for advertising purposes) and refuse to "donate" for that purpose. If that means PSU is less competitive than other teams, so be it. I'm okay with that.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

While I think we could certainly raise more money if the college administration were making some different decisions, I really don't think there is anything that catapults PSU into the same kind of strata as the top 5-8 or so teams. I just don't think we have that sort of fanbase - I mean, a lot of our fanbase roots for the team because it "does things the right way" and the increasing NFL-ization of college football probably isn't exactly inspiring those people to donate.

FWIW, I'm certainly in that category. I hate NIL being used as pay to play on principle (I'm cool with it being an actual payment for actual use of a player's likeness for advertising purposes) and refuse to "donate" for that purpose. If that means PSU is less competitive than other teams, so be it. I'm okay with that.

I have zero issue with folks that don't like NIL or won't donate unless they are in the fire coach crowd to be honest. If you want a MNC, guess what that is what it's going to take moving forward until the system gets adjusted. If people want to still pretend PSU is holier than thou or they ever were, that is their right.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Are you ignoring me @laKavosiey-st lion?

No of course not, I’m retired but work every day. Just got home poured a vodka olives, what’s on your mind?

 

[PSUJam]

No of course not, I’m retired but work every day. Just got home poured a vodka olives, what’s on your mind?

Beer.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Your location?

 

[PSUJam]

Your location?

Currently home. Then probably a brewery in Scranton.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Nice!

 

[AvgUser]

The flow of this entire thread is among the most bizarre and twisted in history.