Better Call Saul: Season 6 Discussion Thread

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I think it's just become symbolic and they wanted to draw attention for those that had forgotten about it.
Funny, I just rewatched the BB cartel murder episode last night. I had forgotten (until I read it recently) that Gus had used that same tequila.


Solid reasoning. Why Omaha though? Why not still in Albuquerque?


Saul has to believe that Lalo is still alive. Gus must kill him in the unfinished lab.

Here is a question. Does Lalo come after Kim/Saul just because of the situation in the desert with the bail money? Last season, he is still not sure of what happened after visiting Kim and Saul. What has convinced him since then?
I wasn't sure but I thought it might have been the same Tequila.
Agree that it might have been symbolic, possibly even the end of Kim and Saul's relationship, as the bottle top was just laying by the curb. The thing that still nags at me as why the clerk said to be careful with the top its sharp. That was just so oddly specific. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Maybe it happens after that scene. Nobody said the BCS timeline would end before the point Saul appears on BB.
Interesting. Based on the WW and Jesse cameos, it seems certain that the two shows will cross timelines (thank you G&G!).
I've always wondered if they would show that scene from BB ("Did Lalo send you?....) from Saul's perspective. It could make sense that Lalo was pursuing Kim and Saul at that very time.
The small catch is that the lab is close to built (if not already) at that time. How does Gus complete that with Lalo still running around?
 
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Lalo might be alive in BB but in prison, right? I'm not convinced he dies unless he dies and SG does not know in BB
After Gus poisons Eladio, he makes a point of telling Hector that he is the last Salamanca alive. Also, if Lalo were alive in BB then he would presumably let the cartel know of Gus's betrayal.

Edit: during BB, does the cartel know of the meth lab in the laundry? This has the potential of negating my second point.
 
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After Gus poisons Eladio, he makes a point of telling Hector that he is the last Salamanca alive. Also, if Lalo were alive in BB then he would presumably let the cartel know of Gus's betrayal.

Edit: during BB, does the cartel know of the meth lab in the laundry? This has the potential of negating my second point.
I totally forget about the like about Larry living Salamanca.
 

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One more thing: there are three story lines which remain to be resolved in six episodes: Lalo’s, Kim’s, and Omaha Gene’s. I have to believe that somehow two of these will be dealt with simultaneously.
 
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After Gus poisons Eladio, he makes a point of telling Hector that he is the last Salamanca alive. Also, if Lalo were alive in BB then he would presumably let the cartel know of Gus's betrayal.

Edit: during BB, does the cartel know of the meth lab in the laundry? This has the potential of negating my second point.
Great catch. I just watched that episode the other night and concluded the same - Lalo is dead by BB.

The cartel certainly knew that he was dealing a lot of meth (they were robbing his trucks) and they know that he has an ace chemist (well, they know Jesse since they tried to steal him). I have to conclude they know he has some kind of serious lab. Lalo could have told him before he was killed, or they could have found out some other way.
 
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Is there a consolidated timeline that would allow a viewer to watch the combined episodes of BB and BCS in chronological order? Yes, I know that many (most?) episodes have flash forward/back scenes but I'm thinking based on that of the major portion of plot development within each episode.
 

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Is there a consolidated timeline that would allow a viewer to watch the combined episodes of BB and BCS in chronological order? Yes, I know that many (most?) episodes have flash forward/back scenes but I'm thinking based on that of the major portion of plot development within each episode.
Not to watch, but here is a written timeline of the entire saga....
BCS-BB
 
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You guys seem to be in BB / BCS graduate school and I'm more at the junior high level. Anyway - I don't totally get the degree of hatred of Howard by Jimmy and Kim. They went far beyond pranking. Am I missing something? Yes, I know Jimmy felt slighted by HHM but we learned it was actually Charles who didn't want to hire Jimmy. Yes he's stiff and corporate and the anti-Jimmy ... but the obsession with ruining his life (before his life was decisively ruined)...I don't get it.
 
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You guys seem to be in BB / BCS graduate school and I'm more at the junior high level. Anyway - I don't totally get the degree of hatred of Howard by Jimmy and Kim. They went far beyond pranking. Am I missing something? Yes, I know Jimmy felt slighted by HHM but we learned it was actually Charles who didn't want to hire Jimmy. Yes he's stiff and corporate and the anti-Jimmy ... but the obsession with ruining his life (before his life was decisively ruined)...I don't get it.
I don’t think you’re missing anything. Howard, in his last words, called it pretty much perfectly, as I see it. He did seem to come down harder on Kim than on Jimmy, which accurately reflected the reality of Operation Howard being more Kim than Jimmy.
 
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Same thing with Erickson, the ADA. “I bet that Jimmy fell into this by accident.” Jimmy and Kim have been called out pretty accurately.
 

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You guys seem to be in BB / BCS graduate school and I'm more at the junior high level. Anyway - I don't totally get the degree of hatred of Howard by Jimmy and Kim. They went far beyond pranking. Am I missing something? Yes, I know Jimmy felt slighted by HHM but we learned it was actually Charles who didn't want to hire Jimmy. Yes he's stiff and corporate and the anti-Jimmy ... but the obsession with ruining his life (before his life was decisively ruined)...I don't get it.
He wasn't totally a dick but not far from it. He treated Kim like crap and was dismissive of both her and Jimmy. As for Saul/Jimmy Howard let Chuck take the blame for everything and as much as Jimmy and Chuck had a love hate relationship they were still brothers. I also think there is a lot of projection from both Jimmy and Kim onto Chuck going on.
 

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I don’t think you’re missing anything. Howard, in his last words, called it pretty much perfectly, as I see it. He did seem to come down harder on Kim than on Jimmy, which accurately reflects the reality of that show. Operation Howard was a lot more Kim than Jimmy.
Agree. I think it was intended to be a little over the top to show how Kim is breaking bad. She has now become more enamored with the con than the reasons for doing it. That said, she is really annoyed with Howard when he reveals Jimmy's shenanigans (bowling balls, etc) and feels that he is holier than thou and needs to be taken down a peg.
Also, don't forget that the money from Sandpiper is great incentive for her. It will allow her to do pro bono work and fight for the little guy at the expense of "a career setback for one lawyer".
 

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Food for thought: Cliff Main will find out that Kim skipped the lunch he set up for her. Remember Howard’s reaction when Cliff said he was with Kim when Jimmy was throwing the hooker out of the car? Cliff will realize. There will be a confrontation. This will be Kim’s determining fork in the road.
 
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How Howard missing plays into all of this will be interesting. Perhaps Jimmy will come up with some story that Howard got shot during a drug deal. They did set him up to look like he was a coke head. I doubt Lalo is going to help Kim and Jimmy get rid of the body.
 

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Just some loose thought: Howard to undisclosed rehab to explain his absence, Mike eventually gets to use his sniper rifle, Lalo is killed by the cartel. Kim leaves Jimmy to start a new life and Jimmy goes into witness protection by cooperating with Feds.
 
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That guy’s dead. The reason people think Lalo is dead is because they found this poor look-alike dude’s body.
And Lalo paid for that guy’s dental work so that his dental work matched Lalo’s. When the body was found badly burned, Lalo was presumed dead by everyone, including his enemies. (Sorry-saw this posted above after the fact).
 
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I don’t think you’re missing anything. Howard, in his last words, called it pretty much perfectly, as I see it. He did seem to come down harder on Kim than on Jimmy, which accurately reflected the reality of Operation Howard being more Kim than Jimmy.
I’m waiting for Kim to explain her drift into breaking bad. If the writers don’t give her dialogue explicitly explaining this, then we’ll be seeing a few more scenes of Kim with her mom.
 

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Lalo with Kim and Jimmy right now, how can it play out? Lalo is proceeding on the belief that it was Mike who helped Jimmy with the cash pickup. He’s going to get this out of Kim and Jimmy somehow. What incentive does he have for leaving them alive? Only one: draw Mike away from the laundry. (He might try to lure Mike to the apartment, to kill him and get him out of the way.) The Lalo story will play out very quickly, is my prediction. About Howard’s body, three ways it can go: it is disappeared, the scene is staged to make it look like a suicide, or Lalo is killed, blamed for Howard’s death, and Jimmy and Kim come out looking like heroes, with only Cliff, maybe, knowing better. Edit 2 The last possibility (Lalo being publicity identified as Howard’s killer) won’t work because in BB Jimmy talks as if he thinks Lalo is alive.

Edit: Mike has not pulled the tail on Jimmy and Kim, of this I am positive. Mike is too smart to discount the possibility that Lalo recognized the phone tap. A lot of ways this could go.
 
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Rewatched last episode and how did Howard not transfer that liquid on his hands to Rich Schwiekert? Howard didn’t wash his hands and was rubbing his fingers before he went into the meeting room and then shook Schweikert’s and another associates’ hands. Why didn’t they get the same effect?
 

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Not an original take on my part: why is this Saul’s “best case scenario?” I’m wondering if this is more than just a throwaway line. (This is from Episode 5.15 of Breaking Bad.)

Saul Goodman: “Hey, I'm a civilian. I'm not your lawyer anymore, I'm nobody's lawyer, the fun's over. From here on out, I'm mister low profile. Just another douchebag with a job and three pairs of Dockers. If I'm lucky, three months from now, best case scenario, I'm managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.”
 

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Rewatched last episode and how did Howard not transfer that liquid on his hands to Rich Schwiekert? Howard didn’t wash his hands and was rubbing his fingers before he went into the meeting room and then shook Schweikert’s and another associates’ hands. Why didn’t they get the same effect?
Did they ever say what it was that was on the paper? My guess is that you can absorb it directly from the paper, but not pass it by contact afterward. Kind of like LSD, although I'm not sure if you can absorb that by touch.

About Howard’s body, three ways it can go: it is disappeared, the scene is staged to make it look like a suicide, or Lalo is killed, blamed for Howard’s death, and Jimmy and Kim come out looking like heroes, with only Cliff, maybe, knowing better.
Suicide could be possible. Having problems with wife. Drug issues. Professional humiliation. He comes over to their house to do it in front of them out of spite. Gun shot to the side of the head consistent with suicide. Just need to get his prints on the gun, which I assume is untraceable.
 
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Not an original take on my part: why is this Saul’s “best case scenario?” I’m wondering if this is more than just a throwaway line. (This is from Episode 5.15 of Breaking Bad.)

Saul Goodman: “Hey, I'm a civilian. I'm not your lawyer anymore, I'm nobody's lawyer, the fun's over. From here on out, I'm mister low profile. Just another douchebag with a job and three pairs of Dockers. If I'm lucky, three months from now, best case scenario, I'm managing a Cinnabon in Omaha.”
Throw away line at the time that G&G tactfully used later. Clever!

Bigger mystery is how did this happen and how did I forget until a recent rewatch?

 

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Did they ever say what it was that was on the paper? My guess is that you can absorb it directly from the paper, but not pass it by contact afterward. Kind of like LSD, although I'm not sure if you can absorb that by touch.


Suicide could be possible. Having problems with wife. Drug issues. Professional humiliation. He comes over to their house to do it in front of them out of spite. Gun shot to the side of the head consistent with suicide. Just need to get his prints on the gun, which I assume is untraceable.
It was the liquid the vet gave to Jimmy and tested out on him.
 

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It was the liquid the vet gave to Jimmy and tested out on him.
Right, but did they ever say what it was?
I assume it stayed moist while in the envelope, but after absorbing in Howards fingers, it dries and can't be passed on.
 
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Right, but did they ever say what it was?
I assume it stayed moist while in the envelope, but after absorbing in Howards fingers, it dries and can't be passed on.
They never said what it was other than Jimmy wouldn’t be “tripping balls” and equated it to two Red Bulls on an empty stomach. I guess I’m not sure it dried quick because Howard was still rubbing his fingers together right before they went into the conference room.
 

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They never said what it was other than Jimmy wouldn’t be “tripping balls” and equated it to two Red Bulls on an empty stomach. I guess I’m not sure it dried quick because Howard was still rubbing his fingers together right before they went into the conference room.
It was probably 4-5 minutes from when he touched the photo until the handshake. I took the finger rubbing to show that his fingers were tingly because it was right when the drug was kicking in.

On the other hand, would have been a fun scene to have Howard and Richard in his office zoning out on the Allman Brothers!
 
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