Board has gone to ****.

[Thunderstick]

The very best women's basketball player in college or WNBA just looks awkward playing basketball when compared to an average male player in the same league. Everything about women's basketball just looks awkward compared to the men's game...dribbling, shooting, layups...

EXACTLY!! I still can't believe Aliyah Boston was as successful as she was (and continues to be) without being able to elevate more than a couple of inches off the floor!!

...My interest in watching any women's sport at any level is zero.

I must confess I love women's pro tennis (now that Serena's gone)!

 

[Tusi21!!]

EXACTLY!! I still can't believe Aliyah Boston was as successful as she was (and continues to be) without being able to elevate more than a couple of inches off the floor!!

I must confess I love women's pro tennis (now that Serena's gone)!

Womens college volleyball indoor is my jam.

 

[adcoop]

The wbb fans seem a little touchy about the subject.

I know I'm personally embarrassed when I'm told we're a women's basketball school now. Mostly because it's true.

Enough to regularly fill up the Colonial Life Arena. Something our Men's team couldn't do even when they made the Final Four. I am not the biggest fan of Women's Athletics. I am a fan of our WBB team because I enjoy seeing someone in a Gamecock uniform kick a**. You don't get to see that a lot and it's enjoyable to see. My issue is someone having the audacity to try to control what people talk about. In my almost 30 years of participating on message boards like this, I have seen all types of ridiculous threads especially the political ones that sometimes go 50 and 60 pages long. Grown men arguing with complete strangers like that is going to change a "Grown A** Man's" mind. I have unfortunately participated in some of these threads out of utter frustration that people seem to not want to talk sports on a sports message board. Seen threads about fishing, duck hunting, etc. Nobody bothers them. However, the minute someone else wants to talk about something a few control freaks are not interested in, they want to whine, complain, and chime in that they are not interested. Apparently those people are interested enough to bother people minding their own business. It's fine to like what you like, but who made themselves message board warden to control what others post?

 

[adcoop]

EXACTLY!! I still can't believe Aliyah Boston was as successful as she was (and continues to be) without being able to elevate more than a couple of inches off the floor!!

I must confess I love women's pro tennis (now that Serena's gone)!

The same way Nikola Jokic does it in the Men's Game. Have you seen him play. Totally dominates the NBA. Two-Time MVP and Finals MVP last year and can't jump three inches off the ground. Just bullies all the men, along with being a great passer.

 

[FlebusJones]

2 threads on women's basketball on the front page 1 after the other. Oof.

Oh my! It makes me cringe to think of the inconvenience you went through to take an extra 1 second to skim past the 2 articles that you were not interested in. Since it makes up about 2% of the total articles and some folks really like the women's BB, maybe just play along and be a sport. What do you think?

 

[adcoop]

I'm tired of pretending it's about education and I'm not content with a model that isn't.

When was the last time that it's totally been about education. 1950? NIL has only made legal what was going on all the time. The programs that put the most energy and resources get the results. Alabama is not the richest state, but they get the results like they are one because they put most of their energy into it. We tend to complain about how small and poor we are and we get the "Woe is Me" results that we deserve.

 

[Tusi21!!]

I must confess I love women's pro tennis (now that Serena's gone)!

My girl.

 

[Lurker123]

Actually it is the non WBB that are touchy, they are the ones that start an almost weekly thread complaining about the inadequacy of WBB or troll a WBB thread. Over compensation I believe is the correct term.

Projection is another good term. Maybe you should be filling out that form you posted.

 

[Lurker123]

Enough to regularly fill up the Colonial Life Arena. Something our Men's team couldn't do even when they made the Final Four. I am not the biggest fan of Women's Athletics. I am a fan of our WBB team because I enjoy seeing someone in a Gamecock uniform kick a**. You don't get to see that a lot and it's enjoyable to see. My issue is someone having the audacity to try to control what people talk about. In my almost 30 years of participating on message boards like this, I have seen all types of ridiculous threads especially the political ones that sometimes go 50 and 60 pages long. Grown men arguing with complete strangers like that is going to change a "Grown A** Man's" mind. I have unfortunately participated in some of these threads out of utter frustration that people seem to not want to talk sports on a sports message board. Seen threads about fishing, duck hunting, etc. Nobody bothers them. However, the minute someone else wants to talk about something a few control freaks are not interested in, they want to whine, complain, and chime in that they are not interested. Apparently those people are interested enough to bother people minding their own business. It's fine to like what you like, but who made themselves message board warden to control what others post?

Seems reasonable, but I'm not sure which group you're talking about. The group that thinks it's sad to have the wbb threads, or the group that is trying to harass them for voicing that opinion?

They both seem to want to "control" what others are posting.

 

[Lurker123]

I'm not sure about the latter. Is WBB far and away our best sport? No doubt. But, the vast majority of our fan base would trade every accomplishment by the WBB for the football team to just make the CFP, or even win an SEC title.

I personally would cancel the entire wbb program, and give back every single trophy they ever earned for an SEC title in football.

 

[Tusi21!!]

I personally would cancel the entire wbb program, and give back every single trophy they ever earned for an SEC title in football.

Title lX screwed us. Do they even pull in a dollar.

 

[paladin181]

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[Gamecock Jacque]

I personally would cancel the entire wbb program, and give back every single trophy they ever earned for an SEC title in football.

I want our women to win. I just don't ever watch them.

 

[winloseortie]

I don't think you know what trolling means.

Hmm gosh maybe I ought to look up the definition

: a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content.

Yup that’s 95% of what you post on all topics

 

[Tusi21!!]

Hmm gosh maybe I ought to look up the definition

: a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content.

Yup that’s 95% of what you post on all topics

Sounds like a you problem.

 

[Tusi21!!]

I want our women to win. I just don't ever watch them.

I'll watch indoor volleyball.

 

[Lurker123]

Hmm gosh maybe I ought to look up the definition

: a person who intentionally antagonizes others online by posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content.

Yup that’s 95% of what you post on all topics

Yeah, I thought the butthurt report he posted was particularly trollish.

 

[Big JC]

When was the last time that it's totally been about education. 1950? NIL has only made legal what was going on all the time. The programs that put the most energy and resources get the results. Alabama is not the richest state, but they get the results like they are one because they put most of their energy into it. We tend to complain about how small and poor we are and we get the "Woe is Me" results that we deserve.

It hasn't been totally about education since whenever sports scholarships were created. Those of us of a certain age remember plenty of players from the '70s on who were dumb as a box of rocks but were "college students" while they played their sport.

I agree about NIL. Every school was cheating on some level and some (Clemson and Auburn) were shameless in their cheating. Both knew that if you were going to cheat, you better win big or the NCAA would show up. If you were a cash cow premier team that drew viewers you could do pretty much what you wanted as long as you made a pretense of hiding it.

 

[KingWard]

When was the last time that it's totally been about education. 1950? NIL has only made legal what was going on all the time. The programs that put the most energy and resources get the results. Alabama is not the richest state, but they get the results like they are one because they put most of their energy into it. We tend to complain about how small and poor we are and we get the "Woe is Me" results that we deserve.

Please don't depict that Alabama's success doesn't come in large large part due to a sizable financial component - disbursements for facilities, coaches, support staff - and more than ever, players. Alabama is not a large state, not is it an exceedingly rich state, but Alabama football is a national brand.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I'll watch indoor volleyball.

You're a better man than I am I guess.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Yeah, I thought the butthurt report he posted was particularly trollish.

It was moderately humorous.

 

[Big JC]

You're a better man than I am I guess.

He's not interested in the game.

 

[will110]

I want our women to win. I just don't ever watch them.

Lol this sums it up. I hope all Gamecock sports win a bunch of games and compete for championships. I'm only going to keep up with football, men's basketball, and baseball. Outside of those three, I really don't care. Honestly, I only watch MBB and baseball when they're relevant or it's convenient. Football is the only sport I arrange my schedule around.

 

[adcoop]

Please don't depict that Alabama's success doesn't come in large part due to a sizable financial component - disbursements for facilities, coaches, support staff - and more than ever, players. Alabama is not a large state, not is it an exceedingly rich state, but Alabama football is a national brand.

It's not all about money King. It's about making the proper decisions in leadership. It's a little luck as well. Alabama hit with a couple decisions that carried them for decades. With proper leadership, more money will come in and we can get where we need to go. What I have found with a large part of our fanbase is that they want to win "Their Way" more than they want to win. That's why a school that is not the flagship school in our state can compete for championship while we make excuse after excuse as to why it can't happen for us.

 

[Big JC]

It's not all about money King. It's about making the proper decisions in leadership. It's a little luck as well. Alabama hit with a couple decisions that carried them for decades. With proper leadership, more money will come in and we can get where we need to go. What I have found with a large part of our fanbase is that they want to win "Their Way" more than they want to win. That's why a school that is not the flagship school in our state can compete for championship while we make excuse after excuse as to why it can't happen for us.

Well said. Georgia went from being "good" to being elite without a huge increase in revenue simply by the leadership committing to taking the next step. Saban and many other big name coaches had said for years that Georgia was a sleeping giant and Kirby came in and demanded the support and commitment from the school and the AD to create a championship program.

Carolina doesn't really have the resources and especially the tradition Georgia had but as the flagship state university, it should have enough money to be much better than it is. Carolina athletics is a typical old boys club atmosphere where lots of people are making good money by being "good enough" for the fans. Beamer may end up being good but the hire was typical of the "settling" Carolina has done in football forever. Even the Holtz and Spurrier hires were sort of half assed. Both hires were dragging an old guy out of retirement for a last chance at some sort of glory. There was no way either of them were going to build the program for the future and there was speculation about how long they would be around from day one.

 

[KingWard]

It's not all about money King. It's about making the proper decisions in leadership. It's a little luck as well. Alabama hit with a couple decisions that carried them for decades. With proper leadership, more money will come in and we can get where we need to go. What I have found with a large part of our fanbase is that they want to win "Their Way" more than they want to win. That's why a school that is not the flagship school in our state can compete for championship while we make excuse after excuse as to why it can't happen for us.

It's about everything. But NIL and the never-ending quest additional TV revenue, the latter giving rise to nonsensical realignment decisions, are both causes and evidences of the extent to which money is governing the direction of college athletics. Money to operate was once the primary factor. The pursuit of grandiosity is ruling the day now. It's like high-stakes poker now: you can't come to the table without a lot of dough in your pockets.

 

[KingWard]

Well said. Georgia went from being "good" to being elite without a huge increase in revenue simply by the leadership committing to taking the next step. Saban and many other big name coaches had said for years that Georgia was a sleeping giant and Kirby came in and demanded the support and commitment from the school and the AD to create a championship program.

Carolina doesn't really have the resources and especially the tradition Georgia had but as the flagship state university, it should have enough money to be much better than it is. Carolina athletics is a typical old boys club atmosphere where lots of people are making good money by being "good enough" for the fans. Beamer may end up being good but the hire was typical of the "settling" Carolina has done in football forever. Even the Holtz and Spurrier hires were sort of half assed. Both hires were dragging an old guy out of retirement for a last chance at some sort of glory. There was no way either of them were going to build the program for the future and there was speculation about how long they would be around from day one.

Y'all boys are underestimating the degree to which money is defining who the contenders are. It doesn't all show up in financial reports. Put it this way, which of the legitimate national championship contenders do you consider are not plugged into more money than the likes of us? I'll wait.

 

[adcoop]

I personally would cancel the entire wbb program, and give back every single trophy they ever earned for an SEC title in football.

However, we haven't gotten that. So, we wait and get delusional every August to be disgusted by October.

 

[adcoop]

Title lX screwed us. Do they even pull in a dollar.

We didn't win S*** prior to Title IX. So, what's your point.

 

[adcoop]

You guys poo-poo WBB. However, in the hierarchy of College Athletics. It's probably 3rd. It's gets way more attention nationally and coverage than Baseball. All of the players, except the rare walk-ons, have full scholarships. Not true for Baseball. You may say it is propped up by the revenue sports, football and MBB. However, it is what it is. All WBB needs is someone to negotiate better TV deals and they could start turning a profit. They are getting the exposure. They need to do a better job controlling their content and getting a better deal from ESPN, Fox and the Networks that put their games on for Sunday Afternoon telecasts all the time.

 

[Tusi21!!]

We didn't win S*** prior to Title IX. So, what's your point.

Yours?

 

[Big JC]

You guys poo-poo WBB. However, in the hierarchy of College Athletics. It's probably 3rd. It's gets way more attention nationally and coverage than Baseball. All of the players, except the rare walk-ons, have full scholarships. Not true for Baseball. You may say it is propped up by the revenue sports, football and MBB. However, it is what is. All WBB needs is someone to negotiate better TV deals and they could start turning a profit. They are getting the exposure. They need to do a better job controlling their content and getting a better deal from ESPN, Fox and the Networks that put their games on for Sunday Afternoon telecasts all the time.

WBB gets full scholarships solely due to Title IX, the same with all women's sports. Football gets 85 full scholarships and schools have to match that in women's sports. Baseball generally gets only about 10 scholarships for the whole team and most programs divide the scholarship money evenly. Fan and viewer interest in women's sports is practically non existent, networks know how many people are watching and they know they are overpaying now. WBB knows not to try and play hardball negotiating for more money from TV because they are already being overpaid. The money paid to women's sports is basically affirmative action in college sports.

 

[adcoop]

WBB gets full scholarships solely due to Title IX, the same with all women's sports. Football gets 85 full scholarships and schools have to match that in women's sports. Baseball generally gets only about 10 scholarships for the whole team and most programs divide the scholarship money evenly. Fan and viewer interest in women's sports is practically non existent, networks know how many people are watching and they know they are overpaying now. WBB knows not to try and play hardball negotiating for more money from TV because they are already being overpaid. The money paid to women's sports is basically affirmative action in college sports.

The Women's Final Four averaged 6.5 million viewers last year. That's not the men's number, but that is a respectable number. The Final Game between LSU and Iowa hit 9.9 million viewers. That's a similar number to what Deion is getting for Colorado football games. As a comparison, our game against Georgia averaged 5.42 million viewers. Not saying that the women's games will ever approach men's sports in influence. However, if you don't recognize that Women's Basketball is a growing sport that has a growing audience, you are asleep at the wheel. It's akin to not recognizing the recent growth of the NHL. I am a big NBA guy and the NHL directly competes with the NBA. Similar season length along with time of the year played. The NHL is considered the nation's fourth major sport. However, if the NBA doesn't get some of its stuff together with the load management and political dramatics, they are going to lag behind at least in this country. The NBA is a more global sport so I don't think they are seeing this shift because it's not hurting their bottom line right now.

 

[adcoop]

Yours?

We have never won S*** in football. So blaming anything on Title IX is preposterous. I guess you are counting a couple of our Outback Bowl Championships. I don't know if you live in another state or close to a border of another state, but people laugh at us. I live close to the North Carolina border, have worked there, and have many friends there. They laugh at the energy we put into football with absolutely no results. I catch it anytime we lose to a team like Virginia in a Bowl Game. So, you know I caught it again when we lost to North Carolina in September. "The SEC football school losing to a basketball school". That's all I have heard for the last month, but we are around here strutting around like USC football is the "Big Dog" or something.

 

[Tusi21!!]

We have never won S*** in football. So blaming anything on Title IX is preposterous. I guess you are counting a couple of our Outback Bowl Championships. I don't know if you live in another state or close to a border of another state, but people laugh at us. I live close to the North Carolina border, have worked there, and have many friends there. They laugh at the energy we put into football with absolutely no results. I catch it anytime we lose to a team like Virginia in a Bowl Game. So, you know I caught it again when we lost to North Carolina in September. "The SEC football school losing to a basketball school". That's all I have heard for the last month, but we are around here strutting around like USC football is the "Big Dog" or something.

You don't know what could've been. Imagine during Spurrier tenure if we had that extra money for recruiting what could have been. We might have taken Clemson place in history.

 

[Big JC]

You don't know what could've been. Imagine during Spurrier tenure if we had that extra money for recruiting what could have been. We might have taken Clemson place in history.

One of the biggest knocks on Spurrier was his laziness in recruiting, he hated doing it and it showed. More money with no increase in focus by the head coach probably wouldn't have made much difference. Spurrier's age didn't help either. Spurrier was 60 when he took the job and he wasn't trying to build a name or career and his "why not here?" statement didn't exactly convey a passionate feel for what he was about to do.

 

[Tusi21!!]

One of the biggest knocks on Spurrier was his laziness in recruiting, he hated doing it and it showed. More money with no increase in focus by the head coach probably wouldn't have made much difference. Spurrier's age didn't help either. Spurrier was 60 when he took the job and he wasn't trying to build a name or career and his "why not here?" statement didn't exactly convey a passionate feel for what he was about to do.

True, but we did have Beamer. And with that money we could have had more recruiters.

 

[adcoop]

You don't know what could've been. Imagine during Spurrier tenure if we had that extra money for recruiting what could have been. We might have taken Clemson place in history.

Spurrier had two inexcusable choke jobs that could have gotten us in the playoffs (Auburn (home), Tennessee (Road). We had all the players we needed to win. Didn't get it done. Then gave his teams rings for being a good contender. Then he quit on his team in the middle of a season after he was the one that cost us in recruiting telegraphing that he wanted to retire. No, our program does not take in the money of a Georgia or an Alabama, but we do take in over 60 million in revenues each year. That should be able to buy you a good QB (we have that). A good coach (Jury still out) and round a competitive roster. You don't need a roster full of 4 and 5 stars to compete. You have got to get the QB position right and spend your NIL on bonafide guys that you can pencil in the lineup. A program like South Carolina can't afford to have their top recruit taking 1/2 a year learning how to play a position. BTW, Title IX was enacted in 1972 I think. We won with Spurrier some 30 years after that. So, scapegoating spending money on Women's Sports is just another one of those lame excuses that I keep talking about when some of our fans talk why our football program struggles.

 

[Lurker123]

I wonder if Spurrier watches wbb.

 

[Tusi21!!]

Spurrier had two unexcusable choke jobs that could have gotten us in the playoffs (Auburn (home), Tennessee (Road). We had all the players we needed to win. Didn't get it done. Then gave his teams rings for being a good contender. Then he quit on his team in the middle of a season after he was the one that cost us in recruiting telegraphing that he wanted to retire. No, our program does not take in the money of a Georgia or an Alabama, but we do take in over 60 million in revenues each year. That should be able to buy you a good QB (we have that). A good coach (Jury still out) and round a competitive roster. You don't need a roster full of 4 and 5 stars to compete. You have got to get the QB position right and spend your NIL on bonafide guys that you can pencil in the lineup. A program like South Carolina can't afford to have their top recruit taking 1/2 a year learning how to play a position. BTW, Title IX was enacted in 1972 I think. We won with Spurrier some 30 years after that. So, scapegoating spending money on Women's Sports is just another one of those lame excuses that I keep talking about when some of our fans talk why our football program struggles.

All that money we could have spent from 1972. Shame. I'm not arguing it is what it is.
Women's Sports is a subsidy. You think Carolina hockey got an upper hand like that starting out as a club?