I look at Levis as a portal QB just the same as anyone that entered from another school. So that’s one. A big one.
Portal was very good in 2020.
BTN discussion of PSU - says PSU is completely different team with Clifford at 100%
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Portal was very good in 2020.
like darryl clark or mike robinson?
Levis wasn't good enough to beat out Clifford. Or he would have. So that's none.
honestly yeah, my high school OL had more fire than these guys. they're just not football players. but that's no excuse for coaches- they recruited them.
We went through this exercise on the other board before the switch. Name the QB you would have brought in. Levis is gone. Who are you getting?
The problem is your you can’t find competent QBs in the portal who want to be backups. Franklin said he was looking at QBs in the portal.
The bigger issue is that once you get to THAT point, in 2021 offseason, you’re done. That I agree. But I don’t think the issue should have been limited to 2021 off-season or even 2020. I think it’s fair to ask why every offseason since Trace left there hasn’t been help brought in if SC is the best you have.
Look we can talk in circles for days but the best programs (and even average ones) are looking every single year, and when you’re stuck with SC for 3 (maybe 4) it’s fair to ask how it got here.
How about Alex Bowman (from Texas Tech) who ended up @ UM? He had been a starter @ TT. He ended up 3rd thing there. I believe he could have gotten PSU through Iowa and Illinois, giving SC time to completely heal.
It helped that he was faking to K Carter And his offensive line had 4 or 5 future pros. Not throwing any shade on KC but that offense was stacked
He ended up 3rd but Michigan had an actual qb competition this year. McNamara only started two games last year.
What? I’m asking you to name the clear cut transfer who comes in and beats Sean and Will.
And when you name them I’d like your pitch to Sean on sticking it out as backup for the rest of his career since we already know Will leaves once he losses the competition. We probably lose both.
Well then maybe the question should actually be how do other teams manage to stockpile QB talent? No way every team out there has a QB room completely devoid of talent behind the starter. In fact I would bet PSU is one of a very small handful of teams with this issue. Even Purdue had 3 QBs that looked light years ahead of where Roberson was.
Spread HD was a much better offense than anything Franklin has had. He should consider hiring Galen to call the running plays.
The way Clifford started a few games clearly nowhere close to 100% makes me think it's #1. He's entrenched.
That wasn’t the point you were making though. Jay’s best offenses relied on running quarterbacks (which is fine).
Robinson was the only QB that ran. Clark was third in rushing behind Royster and Green.
Outside of this year when has it been an issue here? The issue under Franklin has typically been backups who think they’re good enough to start. I honestly don’t remember who the backup was in 2014 but starting in 15 when Trace was the backup we’ve had guys in the number 2 spot that were legit d1 starters every season until this one even if none were generational guys.
Osu is losing their second and third string guys to the portal it looks like. We’ll see if Day brings in a former 4 or 5 star guy to back up CJ.
There’s never a clear cut transfer until you get the transfer in. It’s like saying “who’s the clear cut recruit that…”
By your line of thinking, there should never be a transfer if you have anyone average on the roster.
What’s my pitch? lol. What’s any coach’s pitch when you bring someone better in? You’re competing for the job just like anyone else. What was Riley’s pitch to Spencer Rattler when he recruited Caleb Williams? What has Ryan Day’s pitch been to every high end QB they’ve gotten the last 2 years all in the same starting window?
You’re funny, it’s like, Clifford now is so anointed that we can’t bring in competition. The list of 2020 guys is on 247, there’s gonna be more this year, if 2021 wasn’t good enough.
What’s the pitch?!! How about you have been very good but competition is good for everyone, if you think you deserve better, we support you in that.
Yep.
But he better have a pitch ready to keep Stroud, because guys apparently are so hurt these days in competition that you can’t bring in players at the same position.
Around here you’d think having more than one average QB is just this great luxury that we shouldn’t expect to have as PSU fans.
name a ******* player. You’ve dodged it the whole time. The names of every kid who entered the portal are known. Name the transfer from 2020 or 2021 that would have won the job.
Christ listening to you you’d think we’ve had Sean Clifford and no one else in the QB room since 2014
Newman who transferred to uga opted out of the season last year and never played down for them, went undrafted and didn’t make an nfl roster? That would have solved a bunch of our problems this year for certain. Thought you had a heisman hopeful the way you’ve been talking.
maybe we can get jt for next season after Stetson is named the starter
PSU already had Clifford and Levis in 2020. Both those players transferred when Georgia's QB Jake Fromm went to the NFL. They were not going to Transfer to PSU. Let's be realistic.
Are you telling me Coach JF didn’t go after Jamie Newman because he knew he’d sit out if there was a global pandemic?
I know you’re being facetious, you and I both know Daniels is the starter there next year. Because he’s better than Bennett and Mathis, which is why they took him in the first place.
Know what, you’re right, I change my mind. Despite Ohio State, Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, and many other schools using the portal (or grad transfer before that) to either upgrade or solidify their QB position, it’s just too much to ask for PSU to do so. You sign up for Clifford, by golly, you commit forever to him.
he didn’t go after Jamie because he already had Sean and levis. Sean finished 2019 with a higher qbr than Jamie did and had more eligibility left. You’ve still failed to name someone who comes in and wins the job.
Michigan got a former 5 star Mississippi QB to go there for grad season.
Ohio State got Justin Fields there from Georgia.
Even Boston College got a former high end transfer from ND.
If you’re saying PSU can’t compete with these schools in recruiting through the transfer system, that’s bad and I disagree with it. If you’re saying Sean Clifford (!) held up better players coming here because he was the anointed one, that’s even worse.
Jamie Newman was a better college QB than those two. Come on. Know how you know it? Because Georgia thought enough to bring him in and start for them. If Clifford was in the portal, you think Georgia goes after him?
Georgia didn’t have a starter coming back after 2019.
Christ you’re dense. Michigan didn’t have a starter coming back. Neither did OSU when they took fields. Fields getting granted eligibility actually bailed OSU out of what would have been a very bad QB
situation. Boston Colleges starting qb announced he was leaving when they fired addazio so again no incumbent in that situation.
The only notable transfer last season that went to a school with an incumbent was Finley to Auburn behind Nix but they had a first year coach with no allegiances to Bo.
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Neither you or I know whether Franklin tried and failed to get a QB in the transfer. What I'm saying is that most of the transfers you refer to are where the previous years starting QB either graduated or left early for the NFL. They didn't transfer into a team where the previous years starter was still on the roster. Two completely different circumstances.
Clifford did not hold up any body coming here. He beat out Tommy Stevens who transferred out to Miss St to play for JoMo, a system he already knew. He beat out Will Levis who transferred out to Kentucky who's 2020 QB was a senior.
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
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Clark was a passer who was mobile. Robinson was a beast. Both were All Big 10.
I realize that offense was unreal, but he carried that play fake to the NFL where it was still great, and he was handing off to guys like Tim Biakabatuka. Btw, you don't necessarily need a great running game to be great at play faking. Play faking is all about showing and hiding the ball to make it look like a run and get the defense to commit and buy that extra half second for the pass.
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