Clemson and SEC in talks
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In that case, it only explains why neither will be in the B1G. But if the SEC could get UNC, they would take them. The eminence of the brand compared to anyone else in the ACC is unquestionable.
I would like to see some hard evidence on this because I don’t think UNC is the best brand in the ACC. What fact based evidence do you have to come to that conclusion?
The crux of my thoughts, as stated previously, is NC State is a better fit for the SEC than UNC...better football and an academic fit -- like Oklahoma.
NC State is a scurvy, undesirable addition to either of the Big Two. UNC would be a prodigiously superior addition for either from the standpoint of brand.
The fact-based evidence of what my own eyes see when I travel. Other than local schools and maybe Notre Dame, I see people wearing their apparel more than almost anyone else's. UNC is the only ACC team in the Top 10, n'est pas? https://espnlafayette.com/what-school-sells-the-most-college-merchandise/
Merchandise doesn’t always translate to eyes and who watches who the most.
There's a correlation. Why do you think people buy the crap? Because they don't follow these teams? And by what means do you think they follow them?
A lot of merchandise are gifts and eye candy for those who care nothing about the team or watch games
Just because you see there stuff doesn’t mean they are the biggest brand in the acc because most think they are not. You are passing up bigger brands when saying unc should be in the sec.
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Assuming the ACC breaks up, if the SEC can't get UNC, I have no doubt they'd take NCSU in a NY minute. If both the B1G and the SEC offer UNC, it may end up being a battle between the university administration and the athletic administration as to which conference is preferable. Duke will go where ever UNC goes.
Ideally, no one goes anywhere. Keep what's great (SEC) as it is.
I agree....but it may not happen that way. Notre Dame's TV deal with NBC ends in 2025 and maintaining the status quo may depend on if that contract is renewed or improved.
Different matrices evince different conclusions. Nationally, North Carolina is a behemoth compared to NC State in terms of recognition. Those are the teams in play if a league wants to move into the N.C market. The Florida market is already being mined well by the SEC, but further movement there would probably involve Florida State.Just because you see there stuff doesn’t mean they are the biggest brand in the acc because most think they are not. You are passing up bigger brands when saying unc should be in the sec.
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A deep dive into the ACC's top brands: which athletics programs are the most value, and why other leagues would covet them in realignment
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Just because a conference already has a market in that state doesn’t mean the other schools are not worth the squeeze. As much as I hate to say it it’s why clemson and Florida state are mentioned at the top of every list. It’s not about regional markets anymore with streaming, it’s about matchups people want to watch. The ncaa is failing miserably in that department because everyone plays the same old matchups every year. Joel klatt touched on this yesterday. Now ask yourself when is the last time unc has been relevant on a national football level? Would people rather see Georgia vs clemson (largest football brand in the acc right now) or Georgia vs unc?
I want to be clear I’m not trying to defend those upstate inbreeds.
UNC would be attractive because of its overall brand, as was the case with UCLA.
Ucla is along for a ride like Oklahoma. USC was the prize. Again it’s about eyes and the data doesn’t show unc moving the football needle.
I would say SoCal got the ride primarily due to their rivalry with Notre Dame.....which is the grand prize.
This could be true but notre dame signed the GOR as well. I Believe they are contractually bound to join the acc before 2036 if they join a conference.
Are you sure they are bound by the GOR? I haven't heard definitively that they are and they receive less than a third of what the other ACC members recieve from the ACC contract.
There are elements of truth to both of these, I an adamant about UNC as as a brand, however, and likewise UCLA from the total athletic standpoint. Oklahoma is a legacy football program and by no means a throw-in.
Yes, but for the last time, NC State is a better cultural (and academic) fit for the SEC.
It’s not about culture and fit. It’s about eyes on the screen and money.
Agree, no business in the SEC, run of the mill program.But an inferior acquisition, for the last time.
When the SEC was shopping back then they obviously thought us to be worthy. Shopping in today's market is totally different.
We were not among its first choices...I remember Florida State was but declined the invitation. Like it or not, we are run-of-the-mill and have no business degrading other like schools.
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People who were lucky as a dog with two d!ck$ to get in when we did. It would never happen today.
And Florida St regrets it now. Big Mistake! Rather be a "run of the mill program" in the SEC than the ACC.
Do they really? They have 15 conference championships and 3 undisputed national championships due to that choice.
All in the past. In the present, they are sucking; they are irrelevant. In the end, historical importance is always back-weighted toward the contemporary. But they have enough residual value to be expansion-worthy - for now.
True....but not much different than Texas. Three NCs to 4 for UT and FSU's last one is more recent than UTs and FSU has more Heisman winners.
All I was really saying though was that FSU may not have that "residual value" but for joining the ACC.....and like Bama did with the right coach, they can still sell that residual value.
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