Coaching shakeup- Stubbs

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Just idle speculation but I'm wondering if Yurcich might have had a hand in this. Over a beer Yurcich posits to Franklin that I have a 5 star QB and not enough 4 star receivers to take you to the next level. Who knows what the dynamics between Yurcich and Stubbs were. I could be way off base but its something to ponder.
 

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Just idle speculation but I'm wondering if Yurcich might have had a hand in this. Over a beer Yurcich posits to Franklin that I have a 5 star QB and not enough 4 star receivers to take you to the next level. Who knows what the dynamics between Yurcich and Stubbs were. I could be way off base but its something to ponder.
I doubt the decision was made with no input from the OC. It’s possible but unlikely.
 

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Unless the improvements were not affordable or weren't available at a specific snapshot in time. 🤷‍♂️

New AD will be helpful in CJF getting who he wants.
As WVille intimates, affordability should no longer be an issue with PSU (unless the "improvement" was fired, making him someone else's mistake, and will take a job at lower comp). Aside from money, I can't think of any other reason that someone wouldn't want to work fro CJF.
 

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...unless Stubbs recently pissed in someone' s corn flakes.
^This

This is such weird timing with the Cephus thing and the junior day on Saturday. Seems to me like a Stubbs had one too many and slapped Mrs. F on the *** sort of termination.
 

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^This

This is such weird timing with the Cephus thing and the junior day on Saturday. Seems to me like a Stubbs had one too many and slapped Mrs. F on the *** sort of termination.
Could be. But I'm inclined to believe that CJF made the decision to replace Stubbs some time ago, undertook his search, and hooked a replacement before making the announcement.
 
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"PSU" has the best this.....PSU has the best .....in the country...." LOL
Historically PSU is at best #8. 1 Heisman Winner to NC's.....the best what? Nothing. One of the best....better than most....okay. Just stop.
We do have the best bitchers and whiners (right here elite)....hands down.
 

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All we can do is speculate, but when you strike out on many of the wr targets in the portal, I know they got cephus but JF said they wanted 2 receivers. You see Prather go to MD, Carter to WVU, seems to be no interest with Thornton, Broden goes to Arkansas, I’m sure each situation had their own reasons for not choosing PSU, but just maybe JF was getting feedback that he didn’t like, he’s got Allar for the next 2 years, and it was time to make a change and make a splash hire to get better WR talent in this program
 

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I would be happy with any of these three in no particular order...
Bobby Engram, Chris Beattie, JaMarcus Shephard
Darkhorse pick: Donald Driver
 
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We'll need to wait it out. Got to post the job, interview and satisfy the HR stuff. Even if CJF know who he wants.
No one has mentioned Mike McQueary.
Which is why it may take longer than yesterday.

Has anyone ever left witness protection to coach?
 

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What if PSU had good asst coaching but the head coach was more into favoritism and Vandy brotherhood instead of competency? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Fraudklin never ceases to amaze.

Who’s the next convenient coaching victim ? Poindexter?
Pffffffft!!!
 

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We'll need to wait it out. Got to post the job, interview and satisfy the HR stuff. Even if CJF know who he wants.
No one has mentioned Mike McQueary.

Winner. He lives in State College, so no relo, and he can obviously afford the housing. Plus, he’s one of us.
 
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I would be happy with any of these three in no particular order...
Bobby Engram, Chris Beattie, JaMarcus Shephard
Darkhorse pick: Donald Driver
not familiar with Beattie and Shephard. Has Driver ever coached? I thought he was in business in Texas.
 

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I would be happy with any of these three in no particular order...
Bobby Engram, Chris Beattie, JaMarcus Shephard
Darkhorse pick: Donald Driver
Would love Engram, just not sure he wants to be a position coach again. BSD had a nice list of coaches who could be candidates. Joe Dailey could be a sleeper pick. He is the current coach of the Carolina Panthers and his employment is obviously up in the air. He is a north jersey native and has coached in the college ranks.
 

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For the life of me I’ll never understand why an NFL coach would ever return to the College ranks unless he was named the head coach. The money is about equal, there’s no enhanced job security, and you have to spend half your time genuflecting before 16 to 18 year old kids. But it’s a strange World I guess.
 

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If the prevailing notion (one which I won't disagree with) is that Stubblefield's main deficiency was in recruiting, then why was he made offensive recruiting coordinator?
 

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For the life of me I’ll never understand why an NFL coach would ever return to the College ranks unless he was named the head coach. The money is about equal, there’s no enhanced job security, and you have to spend half your time genuflecting before 16 to 18 year old kids. But it’s a strange World I guess.
Was thinking that myself, the only thing I could think of and not sure if it is true would be it's easier to get to go from WR coach to OC to HC in the college ranks than NFL?
 
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If the prevailing notion (one which I won't disagree with) is that Stubblefield's main deficiency was in recruiting, then why was he made offensive recruiting coordinator?
actually, the passing game from a player standpoint is always tricky as to where the problems come from - QB, WR, TE or RB. then the OL comes into play. in other words the entire team. looking at our WRs, they did seem to improve catching under Stubbs. Route running hard to day, but coaches know. They did get open at times and were not targeted or QB accuracy came into play.

if this is recruiting, that clearly has been an issue. losing WRs to place like Maryland (with QB up in the air and lower end team) or West Virginia (bottom of BIG 12) is hard to explain.
 

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actually, the passing game from a player standpoint is always tricky as to where the problems come from - QB, WR, TE or RB. then the OL comes into play. in other words the entire team. looking at our WRs, they did seem to improve catching under Stubbs. Route running hard to day, but coaches know. They did get open at times and were not targeted or QB accuracy came into play.

if this is recruiting, that clearly has been an issue. losing WRs to place like Maryland (with QB up in the air and lower end team) or West Virginia (bottom of BIG 12) is hard to explain.
I sort of agree with your narrative, the tight ends bailed out our passing game this year thanks to them. That can only go so far.

Our WR's seemed to not create separation , but losing 2 WR's to West Virginia, one to Maryland and finally one to Arkansas this weekend might have been the final straw. Not saying TS was a bad coach or recruiter just needing someone with better experience or a better plan.

As of now Alabama fans are not happy with OB as OC, and Miami fans with Josh Gattis as OC. Some times it's just business or something that's no one's business.
 
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For the life of me I’ll never understand why an NFL coach would ever return to the College ranks unless he was named the head coach. The money is about equal, there’s no enhanced job security, and you have to spend half your time genuflecting before 16 to 18 year old kids. But it’s a strange World I guess.
I agree and often compare it to those who transition from professional services work to the client side of things. Why would you ever go back to groveling up to snarky clients if you don’t have to?
 
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I agree and often compare it to those who transition from professional services work to the client side of things. Why would you ever go back to groveling up to snarky clients if you don’t have to?
agree - for the same money the college game is a lot tougher. with the added complexity of $$$ and ease of transfer, roster management is much more difficult. For CFB HC the buyouts seem totally one sided compared to NFL. seems like in NFL, HC, OC, DC, etc firings do not cost as much as CFB. The job security seems similar, but maybe the CFB buyouts make it seem similar. Not sure whether the buyout model in CFB is similar number of years for OC, DC and position coaches.

We do seem to be seeing CFB coaches retiring or seeking NFL spots, and some are referring to the current state of the CFB game.
 

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agree - for the same money the college game is a lot tougher. with the added complexity of $$$ and ease of transfer, roster management is much more difficult. For CFB HC the buyouts seem totally one sided compared to NFL. seems like in NFL, HC, OC, DC, etc firings do not cost as much as CFB. The job security seems similar, but maybe the CFB buyouts make it seem similar. Not sure whether the buyout model in CFB is similar number of years for OC, DC and position coaches.

We do seem to be seeing CFB coaches retiring or seeking NFL spots, and some are referring to the current state of the CFB game.
100% much tougher.
 

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agree - for the same money the college game is a lot tougher. with the added complexity of $$$ and ease of transfer, roster management is much more difficult. For CFB HC the buyouts seem totally one sided compared to NFL. seems like in NFL, HC, OC, DC, etc firings do not cost as much as CFB. The job security seems similar, but maybe the CFB buyouts make it seem similar. Not sure whether the buyout model in CFB is similar number of years for OC, DC and position coaches.

We do seem to be seeing CFB coaches retiring or seeking NFL spots, and some are referring to the current state of the CFB game.

I didn't realize how much some college WR coaches are being paid... Cortez at LSU is $850,000+ and others more than $750,000+ more than a chunk of NFL WR coaches are making. I guess it ultimately comes down to each individual and what they want in a career. Friends of mine have coached in the NFL and literally sleep in their offices most of the season. Caused many failed marriages. Even the off season with scouting players for free agency and the draft, self scouting tendencies, etc its pretty much 12 hour days at the minimum. In college you can have a little bit of home life with only being allowed to coach the players so many hours a week. Trade off is long recruiting trips and dealing with parents/players etc... Comes down to which you enjoy more.
 
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Two things-

1. Firing a guy two days after a death in his family is cold. Ice cold. So much for all the PSU “family” BS.

2. Those who post speculating on an indiscretion by the man are way off base. Don’t put that out there without something to back it up.

Thank him for his service and let him go like a man.
 

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Two things-

1. Firing a guy two days after a death in his family is cold. Ice cold. So much for all the “family” BS.

2. Those who post speculating on an indiscretion by the man are way off base. Don’t put that out there without something to back it up.

Thank him for his service and let him go like a man.
I agree two days later is hard- which tells me James has his man and needs to move quickly.
 

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I didn't realize how much some college WR coaches are being paid... Cortez at LSU is $850,000+ and others more than $750,000+ more than a chunk of NFL WR coaches are making. I guess it ultimately comes down to each individual and what they want in a career. Friends of mine have coached in the NFL and literally sleep in their offices most of the season. Caused many failed marriages. Even the off season with scouting players for free agency and the draft, self scouting tendencies, etc its pretty much 12 hour days at the minimum. In college you can have a little bit of home life with only being allowed to coach the players so many hours a week. Trade off is long recruiting trips and dealing with parents/players etc... Comes down to which you enjoy more.

When he arrived at lsu, Cortez burned the shirts. As a result, his receivers were well motivated.
 
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