Coaching shakeup- Stubbs

HarrisburgDave

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I agree two days later is hard- which tells me James has his man and needs to move quickly.

Really?

Is there anyone in Lasch with any sense to say, “Hey, maybe we should let the family bury the grandfather before we bring down the knife?”

Talk about acting before he was cold in the grave.

Stubblefield left with more grace than I would have shown. Imagine dealing with your wife and son about grandpas death and coming in the room and saying, “ Oh, I got fired too.”
 
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Winner. He lives in State College, so no relo, and he can obviously afford the housing. Plus, he’s one of us.
I think he lives in VA now. Doesnt matter though. He will never coach again anywhere.
 

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Really?

Is there anyone in Lasch with any sense to say, “Hey, maybe we should let the family bury the grandfather before we bring down the knife?”

Talk about acting before he was cold in the grave.

Stubblefield left with more grace than I would have shown. Imagine dealing with your wife and son about grandpas death and coming in the room and saying, “ Oh, I got fired too.”
I did not realize it was so close. I thought the death had occurred well before the firing. Definitely problematic and does seem cold hearted.
 

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agree - for the same money the college game is a lot tougher. with the added complexity of $$$ and ease of transfer, roster management is much more difficult. For CFB HC the buyouts seem totally one sided compared to NFL. seems like in NFL, HC, OC, DC, etc firings do not cost as much as CFB. The job security seems similar, but maybe the CFB buyouts make it seem similar. Not sure whether the buyout model in CFB is similar number of years for OC, DC and position coaches.

We do seem to be seeing CFB coaches retiring or seeking NFL spots, and some are referring to the current state of the CFB game.
This is why guys like Franklin are pushing for 10-year contracts worth huge money. That effectively buys job security if an AD is dumb enough to go there.

No program (in its right mind) can pay a guy $50 million to walk. A guy like Franklin is here 6 of those 10 years minimum unless he finds something better.

It is what it is. The market has shifted in that direction for top CFB coaches.
 
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They did. They ran really crisp routes.

This departure is a head scratcher but Fraudklin always need a sacrificial asst coach to either (a) atone for underperformance or (b) provide hype for becoming “elite”

He also (c) likes to surround himself with sycophants. 👍
I don't believe that you could reach moron speed with a steep downhill slope and a strong tailwind
 

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This is why guys like Franklin are pushing for 10-year contracts worth huge money. That effectively buys job security if an AD is dumb enough to go there.

No program (in its right mind) can pay a guy $50 million to walk. A guy like Franklin is here 6 of those 10 years minimum unless he finds something better.

It is what it is. The market has shifted in that direction for top CFB coaches.
The difference between college and NFL contracts is that in the latter case the money is coming from the owner's pocket. Entirely different perspective when it's your bank account getting hit.

As for NFL buyouts, they can easily rise to the level of those seen in college. Reason we don't hear about them is the same as to why we don't hear anything definitive about the contract itself.
 
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I did not realize it was so close. I thought the death had occurred well before the firing. Definitely problematic and does seem cold hearted.
Seems somewhat cold hearted, but I don’t know what the proper amount of time is. Two weeks? A month? By then his options of other employment and the candidates to replace him become more limited.
 

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Two things-

1. Firing a guy two days after a death in his family is cold. Ice cold. So much for all the PSU “family” BS.

2. Those who post speculating on an indiscretion by the man are way off base. Don’t put that out there without something to back it up.

Thank him for his service and let him go like a man.

LOL, I'm sure you're in on all of the details.
 

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Seems somewhat cold hearted, but I don’t know what the proper amount of time is. Two weeks? A month? By then his options of other employment and the candidates to replace him become more limited.
I don't know either, but two days, if true, not good. Show some heart even it sets the program back some. Compassion is more important.
 
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Compassion would be withholding judgement until you actually knew the whole story, but that doesn't stop many here.
You are correct, I don't know the whole story. I simply made an observation and comment based on the speculation the death occurred two days prior to his firing. Note I said "if true".
 

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The difference between college and NFL contracts is that in the latter case the money is coming from the owner's pocket. Entirely different perspective when it's your bank account getting hit.

As for NFL buyouts, they can easily rise to the level of those seen in college. Reason we don't hear about them is the same as to why we don't hear anything definitive about the contract itself.
Art, if we’re talking tax dollars as indirectly funding buyouts, then there are a zillion other misuses of tax dollars I’d take exception with before coaching buyouts.

And indirectly, many owners pockets are lined with tax payer dollars too. How many cities helped fund stadiums where an inordinately large % of revenue benefits NFL owners?
 

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Art, if we’re talking tax dollars as indirectly funding buyouts, then there are a zillion other misuses of tax dollars I’d take exception with before coaching buyouts.

And indirectly, many owners pockets are lined with tax payer dollars too. How many cities helped fund stadiums where an inordinately large % of revenue benefits NFL owners?
Wasn't talking about the specific source of the funds. In the case of an NFL owner, what he pays the coach, for coaching or otherwise, comes out of his pocket. That is not the case for an AD or university president who signs a coach to a bad contract. Most of those folks don't give a ****.
 
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This gives him time to find another job. Waiting impacts him more.
For some reason, I doubt that what is best for Stubblefield professionally entered into the equation. But if it did, why not can him immediately after the Rose Bowl? I know; not in the holiday spirit.
 

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For some reason, I doubt that what is best for Stubblefield professionally entered into the equation. But if it did, why not can him immediately after the Rose Bowl? I know; not in the holiday spirit.
Maybe he told him that he had until after the convention
 

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On one level I understand, on another I don't understand. The death of a loved one adds another dimension to the circumstances surrounding his release. I guess there was no other way?

Would your employer (current or previous) have taken a death like this into consideration? Just actually curious.
 

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For all those bashing the timing, I'm sure there would be bashing if the guy Franklin wanted took another job because he didn't fire him sooner. Franklin could stand on his head and spit nickels and some would bash him for not spitting dimes :rolleyes:
 

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For all those bashing the timing, I'm sure there would be bashing if the guy Franklin wanted took another job because he didn't fire him sooner. Franklin could stand on his head and spit nickels and some would bash him for not spitting dimes :rolleyes:
Easy work around for that.
 

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I was able to access Franklin’s “black book” and in an attempt to keep on par with Coach Prime and NIL @ Colorado, I hereby reveal our new WR coach and recruiter!

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Would your employer (current or previous) have taken a death like this into consideration? Just actually curious.
I've worked with several IT contract companies over the past decade, which offered very limited time off and benefits. Definitely they would not take this into consideration. Currently at a direct position with a good company and I think they might if you were a long-standing employee.
 

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For all those bashing the timing, I'm sure there would be bashing if the guy Franklin wanted took another job because he didn't fire him sooner. Franklin could stand on his head and spit nickels and some would bash him for not spitting dimes :rolleyes:
That is because it's phony BS fake internet outrage because they don't like him. It's nothing more than that at all and it silly transparent. It's funny watching some here do their mental gymnastics on this BS when you see it with anything he does they don't remotely care for. The funniest one are the kooks that bring up his salary every time. They sound like little jealous children.
 

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My father lost his job when he came back from a trip out of town to attend the funeral of his mother.
So, perhaps that answers your question.
About twenty years ago, at the place I was working at the time, a young software engineer had to fly unexpectedly to China due to the sudden death of his father.

He returned sooner than he really wanted to, knowing that there were tight project deadlines at our office — only to find that he had been laid off and his personal belongings had been boxed up and shipped to his home.
 

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Chatter in the miami twitterverse saying Gattis headed back to PSU. I guess he was MIA at their junior day and hasn’t been on the recruiting trail. We shall see
 

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Chatter in the miami twitterverse saying Gattis headed back to PSU. I guess he was MIA at their junior day and hasn’t been on the recruiting trail. We shall see
I wouldn't want him back--he is too much of an opportunist. He would be spending half his time networking on the side looking for the next OC job. Dude is not patient. Just my opinion....
 
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I think we hear who the new coach is by end of this week.
What is PSU's HR rule for how long a job has to be posted? I suspect that and the legal contract issues will drive the timeline on this. I have no inside info, this just feels like a case of Franklin already having his guy and taking step to make it official.
 
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