FC: Lubrano, Paterno re-elected to alumni seats

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1. I don't believe anyone voted for or against Jay based on his daddy. Thats's just stupid.
2. We should vote in a political situation to justify not voting for someone and vote for the other candidate . . .just because?!?
3. Who is talking about his coaching resume?
4. What has he accomplished as a BOT member so far?
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What has anyone really done? I know that the ******* BOTers from 2011 did a lot of negative stuff,m. But nobody stands out or is notable on the BOT
 
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Kind hearted people wanted him to win an election for something....anything

Kind of like when a kid who is held back twice is elected class president
No longer can call them “held back”. The term now used is reclass.

Sad but true.
 

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PSU is the loser.

Let’s try again. Please list the reasons for electing Jay without mentioning his dad or the past.
1…2…3…go
You are the loser. Almost a dozen years after Joe's demise, you still have a hard on for a guy who doesn't know or care that you exist. I understand that no father has ever hired his son to coach for him...before or since 🤔
You are like the little kid who rationalized losing by claiming you were better....but just didn't try. Sad.
 

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1. I don't believe anyone voted for or against Jay based on his daddy. Thats's just stupid.
2. We should vote in a political situation to justify not voting for someone and vote for the other candidate . . .just because?!?
3. Who is talking about his coaching resume?
4. What has he accomplished as a BOT member so far?
A better question might be...what has any alumni trustee been able to accomplish since 2011?
I've seen or heard rethoric and posturing... but they don’t have the numbers .
 
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pamdlion

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You are the loser. Almost a dozen years after Joe's demise, you still have a hard on for a guy who doesn't know or care that you exist. I understand that no father has ever hired his son to coach for him...before or since 🤔
You are like the little kid who rationalized losing by claiming you were better....but just didn't try. Sad.
And you still can’t provide one reason for electing Jay without mentioning his dad or the past. Not one.

And the name calling only diminishes any point you are trying to make…if there is one.
 

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1. I don't believe anyone voted for or against Jay based on his daddy. Thats's just stupid.
2. We should vote in a political situation to justify not voting for someone and vote for the other candidate . . .just because?!?
3. Who is talking about his coaching resume?
4. What has he accomplished as a BOT member so far?
I don’t particularly care about him and am indifferent that he was re elected. But there’s specifically pointed criticism pointed towards Jay that seems way more intense than is warranted than him just being unremarkable as a Trustee.

I don’t think any alumni elected Trustee is going to have any particular effect on the Academic rankings, school costs or budget issues (which I would argue are huge issues for PSU).

I guess my point is that I don’t really get the vitriol directed towards Jay. If you think he’s a poor Trustee or someone else would be better, cool. Go and argue for that. But there are attacks on his character or how he’s living his life than seem irrelevant to the BoT election and to me seem out of bounds. YMMV.
 

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I don’t particularly care about him and am indifferent that he was re elected. But there’s specifically pointed criticism pointed towards Jay that seems way more intense than is warranted than him just being unremarkable as a Trustee.

I don’t think any alumni elected Trustee is going to have any particular effect on the Academic rankings, school costs or budget issues (which I would argue are huge issues for PSU).

I guess my point is that I don’t really get the vitriol directed towards Jay. If you think he’s a poor Trustee or someone else would be better, cool. Go and argue for that. But there are attacks on his character or how he’s living his life than seem irrelevant to the BoT election and to me seem out of bounds. YMMV.
I did not attack his character or said any vitriol against him. My question is, what makes Mr. Paterno a qualified PSU Trustee (I DID not vote for him on my ballot)? My mileage does vary.
 
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I did not attack his character or said any vitriol against him. My question is, what makes Mr. Paterno a qualified PSU Trustee (I DID not vote for him on my ballot)? My mileage does vary.
Great question. No one can provide an answer.
 

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I did not attack his character or said any vitriol against him. My question is, what makes Mr. Paterno a qualified PSU Trustee (I DID not vote for him on my ballot)? My mileage does vary.
Well, he’s a university alumnus. Is there anything else that makes someone “qualified” for an Alumni Trustee position?

again, I don’t particularly care about Jay, but it feels like you could say the exact same thing about any of the candidates.
 

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And you still can’t provide one reason for electing Jay without mentioning his dad or the past. Not one.

And the name calling only diminishes any point you are trying to make…if there is one.

Mr. Marshall is not worth your time.

He literally spelled out his life philosophy ("I'd rather be lucky than good") above. That's a terrible philosophy for anyone interested in growth and/or excellence, but it is one he believes in.
 
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Mr. Marshall is not worth your time.

He literally spelled out his life philosophy ("I'd rather be lucky than good") above. That's a terrible philosophy for anyone interested in growth and/or excellence, but it is one he believes in.
Hmmm...I hate Jay Paterno...never met him. But his Dad gave him a job and his name is Paterno. I've carried this opinion around for more than a decade. I'm interested in growth and excellence.
 

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Do you think the stadium project has any financial objectives in the conventional sense i.e. achieving a reasonable rate of (financial) return, or, failing that, being cost effective? The more I hear the powers that be describe their approach, the more I become convinced that there aren't any. They're just building something that they think needs to be built. Remember the term "satisficing?"
PSU and Alumni need to decide what type of athletic department it wants to be...do you want to have teams that compete for National success or do you just want to provide competitive competition (ie: Do you want to be like tOSU or similar to Ivy schools) That will answer the question of what money needs to be spent to achieve the goal.
 

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Unfortunately 11,000 geezers still stuck in the 80’s can’t get past the idol worship of the former coaches son…oh well.

Please list the reasons for electing Jay without mention his dad or the past. 1…2…3…go
Here we go again.....everything is the fault of alumni that graduated in the 80's or before.....time to think of a new and improved insult. BTW....PSU played in the MNC 3 times in the 80's and was considered a public Ivy...
 

pamdlion

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Here we go again.....everything is the fault of alumni that graduated in the 80's or before.....time to think of a new and improved insult. BTW....PSU played in the MNC 3 times in the 80's and was considered a public Ivy...
Considered a public Ivy? Revisionists history. Runner up if you count that.

 
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PSU and Alumni need to decide what type of athletic department it wants to be...do you want to have teams that compete for National success or do you just want to provide competitive competition (ie: Do you want to be like tOSU or similar to Ivy schools) That will answer the question of what money needs to be spent to achieve the goal.
How is spending $700,000,000 for comfy seats and nice bathrooms for people who don't play, coach, or recruit going to win a single game? Do you think the players give a crap about the stadium seats?

"Come play for us- our fans get to use great bathrooms."
 

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The simple fact that Jay wouldn’t shake James’s hand at the BOT meeting following the season is disgusting enough that he shouldn’t have been re elected.

The fact that he was shows that people don’t care about Penn State football (which Joe built). They care about the last name Paterno. Weird.
 

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Considered a public Ivy? Revisionists history. Runner up if you count that.

Considerably better than it is today.
 

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fact? did anyone actually witness this- other than Short?

(and no, I'm neither a Joebot nor an election denier.)
Multiple people supposedly witnessed it, it was discussed pretty thoroughly on the premium forum.

Also, are we getting to the point that people are going to call Short and Mauti liars……for Jay?
 
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Multiple people supposedly witnessed it, it was discussed pretty thoroughly on the premium forum.

Also, are we getting to the point that people are going to call Short and Mauti liars……for Jay?
That's what I thought. Internet talk doesn't weigh much. I'm not defending Jay- but I'm certainly not believing anybody else who has a competing agenda, either- not without some actual proof.

No, I don't believe this story, simply because there would have been nothing to gain in it for Jay to make such a stupid gesture.
 

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That's what I thought. Internet talk doesn't weigh much. I'm not defending Jay- but I'm certainly not believing anybody else who has a competing agenda, either- not without some actual proof.

No, I don't believe this story, simply because there would have been nothing to gain in it for Jay to make such a stupid gesture.
If someone said something supposedly happened it must be true. No need for verification or context...burn it down.
I really like James and I'm not a fair weather supporter either. However, it matters very little to me if there are hard feelings between he and Jay. Most coaches understand that they are unlikely to enjoy universal acclaim.
For all those who wish to crucify Jay for allegedly snubbing Coach Franklin...just tune in here after the first loss of the season. LOL
 

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Ok. So since the money is coming out of your personal pockets what is your proposal? Do nothing?

Shocker - doing nothing is better than this $700,000,000 boondoggle. Now if you want an actual fundraising campaign that can pay for it, great. As is you're just diverting resources away from Franklin's program and taking away part of his recruiting pitch. Let's not even pretend this won't have an effect on how the white outs look on tv, yet another marketing hit. But, but, spending...
 
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Multiple people supposedly witnessed it, it was discussed pretty thoroughly on the premium forum.

Also, are we getting to the point that people are going to call Short and Mauti liars……for Jay?

Given their voting history, lack of knowledge of the NIL, continuing to divert funds away from the football program, etc I think they are pretty much morons and not exactly trustworthy or believable. Still, they are more credible and intelligent than you, and we all know how high that bar is.
 
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